It’s just the first time in history that the whole world sees the horrors of war streamed live.
Which is a good thing I guess, there’s a whole new generation now that might learn ‘never again’ without actually having to go through the experience.
Edit: Of course we always had the news, but a reporter showing the aftereffects from a safe distance are a bit different from the single soldier streaming the images of the Russian warship before telling them to go fuck themselves.
In Vietnam, Americans (a small minority) collected ears of those they killed. The Viet Cong held barrels with rats to stomachs and burned the other end, forcing rats to eat through stomachs.
In Rwanda, neighbors killed neighbors with their bare hands.
In World War 2, +150,000 civilians were wiped instantaneously.
In former Yugoslavia, neighbors lined neighbors up and executed them.
There is no war without war crimes. And as usual, it’s the citizens that suffer, rarely the elite.
The reporting isn’t like that here either though. Here’s a video of the Sky News UK team getting ambushed: https://news.sky.com/story/amp/sky-news-teams-harrowing-acco...
Ignoring my inner cynic, it is good that we, the European countries, help Ukraine and the Ukrainian refugees, very good. But yes, I think the West is very much used to start wars in far away countries where we can ignore the consequences in our daily lives. Now someone else started it, close to our homes, and all of a sudden we cannot ignore it anymore. Comes as quite a shock to some, it seems.
Not happy about this myself, we are all equal humans and it shouldn't matter how people dress, speak or religion they have, this reaction should be present in all cases of war.
Europe took in millions of refugees from a different continent.
Syrian/Afghan refugees took a longer route to Europe instead of Saudi Arabia. That's what an economic migrant does.
All the other social media covered wars were, well, covered by the parties fighting the West. Which is a different story.
>Ukrainian forces were engaged in clashes nearby, but not at the site where civilians were moving along the street. Outgoing mortar rounds could be heard from a Ukrainian position about 200 yards away.
>The shelling suggested either targeting of the evacuation routes from Irpin, something of which the Ukrainian authorities have accused the Russian army after a railroad track used for evacuations was hit on Saturday, or disregard for the risk of civilian casualties.
So the ukrainians were launching mortars from the area and civilians got caught in the crossfire ... it's not exactly russians blackmailing civilians. Still their fault I guess for invading in the first place but this is not exactly a war crime, the ukrainians knew they were also firing from a civilian position.
Edit: there's also evidence of Ukrainian soldiers being in the same street, because keep in mind all the videos of the aftermath don't match always the videos of the shooting either. In some of the videos in which we don't see any Ukrainian soldiers, the russians seem to be shooting warning shots in the air, while in those with confirmed casualties there seem to be Ukrainian soldiers in the same street (meaning there was probably a crossfire situation)
It's also likely the reason the Russian advance stalled. Neither party really wants to go through that hell
Then the blame should be on who started the "warfare".
Unless they expected a surrender ( which seems to be the case - they had advanced paratroop drops and logistics and rations drastically unprepared for a longer term battle,potentially with the help of special ops murdering Zelensky), why even go there then? Nobody sane starts a war with the idea of long term destructive urban fighting. Especially live streamed urban fighting. There's nothing for Russia to win there, so if that was really their plan, it's even stupider.
Its unimaginable how brutal that war was, no wonder why there was so much opposition back then, sadly nobody was tried for war crimes ugh.
However looking at your other activity, I would have to present article from Russia Today.
First and foremost Russians shouldn't be there. How evil they were exactly, can be assessed later, when they go back to their side of the border.
Mined by whom?
> However looking at your other activity, I would have to present article from Russia Today
Mainstream western media now is heavily biased for the simple fact that it most of the time even don't report what the Russians are saying on the same matter.
I'm checking al jazeera which at least reports both sides.
Sorry, but even suggesting, that Ukrainians mined evacuation route for their own people is plainly disgusting. I and multiple of my friends, were on the border and helped fleeing people. They told me first hand how they escaped. There was ZERO critique of their officials or military.
I'm checking both sides - what they're saying is usually completely out of touch with reality and blunt, very poorly prepared propaganda.
And finally - Russians are invading independent country. There's nothing they can say to change that fact.
https://www.currenttime.tv/a/31739955.html
You are posting ukranian sources and as much as u sympathesize with their suffering it is wartime and information is propaganda.
If you don't believe testimonials of the people right there, the exact people who were attacked, then I see the only better source: go there yourself. What other evidence is better?
In any case, it's Russia who amassed a shit ton of military all around the Ukraine, and started the invasion.
" Dat rapporteert mensenrechtenorganisatie Human Rights Watch (HRW) op basis van ooggetuigen en beeldanalyses. "
According to a report by humanrights organization Human Rights Watch based on eye witness accounts and image analysis.
https://www.nu.nl/spanningen-oekraine/6185514/mensenrechteno...
> There were also some Ukrainian soldiers present at the intersection, but they were outnumbered, according to HRW. The Ukrainian soldiers who were at the crossroads helped the refugees with their luggage. A few hundred meters away, Russian and Ukrainian troops were fighting each other. According to HRW, the Russians may have deliberately fired projectiles at the intersection
To me it reads like there was an engagement between the ukranian and russian soldiers nearby and unfortunately some civilians were caught in a crossfire.
What can be said is that war in general is ugly. So a lot of shit and war crimes are being committed and will continue to be committed. All the more reason for political leaders world wide to find a quick, peaceful solution to this mess. One that doesn't give any stretch of land to Russia.
Civilians can be hit in cross-fire. So you need evidence that civilians were targeted. Then, you need evidence of whom targeted them, which may or may not be that simple to find.
At the moment, all pictures and accounts in the media and online are purely emotional because the aim is to provoke emotional reactions, not cool-headed analysis.
I have no horse in this race, propoganda is propoganda.
And the problem is, it's actually not completely outside the realms of possiblity, and I have no way to know. As far as I'm aware, the Ukrainians are fighting the good fight, but that's what I _would_ think. When the propaganda is flying this thick and this fast, maybe I'm as bamboozled as anyone else.
On the other hand shrugging and going "dunno, both sides lol" seems pretty ghoulish when the civilians are being killed and homes and cities bombed to nothing.
[1] I do not know where they got that from but it would have been TV. Trying to figure out where that comes from using only sources I can find leads me to a combination of the (apparently true) report that prisoners with military experience are released if they fight against Russia[2] and a TASS(!) report that Ukraine is responsible for collapsing the corridors[3].
[2] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-army... amongst others
That's no secret, that's pretty much from official statements of Russian officials.
Al Jazeera reports what both sides are saying.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/7/russian-military-con...
As if the official statements of Russian officials are worth the toilet paper said officials use. Did you miss all the blatant bullshit they said up to and during the invasion? That it's only military exercises, that they're pulling back troops, that they're only on a small special operation, etc. Why would anyone trust them?
That's why confirmation and vetting by orgs like, e.g., Human Rights Watch is so important.
This is pure blackmail, and it won't stop here.