Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by twaw on Friday March 04, 2022 @01:56AM
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Operators of nuclear plant are civilians. They are not part of force. Civilians can be captured, they cannot surrender, because nobody asks them to do that. I never heard that police or army asks somebody unarmed to surrender.
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Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by NikolaNovak on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:16AM
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"I never heard that police or army asks somebody unarmed to surrender."
I don't understand the statement. Either it is completely oblivious to daily reality, or it is hinging on some pedantic / language dependent semantic detail that should really be explicitly addressed.
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by gambiting on Friday March 04, 2022 @02:26AM
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Really? You have never heard anyone ever describe regular citizens surrendering to the invader? I feel like you are arguing a technicality here - if you are faced with people with guns of course you'd say "I surrender" even if technically that's not what you're doing.
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by seanhandley on Friday March 04, 2022 @02:39AM
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Welcome to HN. The home of "Well, technically".
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by teekert on Friday March 04, 2022 @03:08AM
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Yeah, it’s why I feels so at home here and the primary source of my relationship issues.
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by selfhoster11 on Friday March 04, 2022 @04:13AM
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Well, technically that's Reddit and not HN.
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by raxxorrax on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:47AM
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Do you have a source for that?
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by wiz21c on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:13AM
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TBH, Putin is not calling a war a war, the turkish governemnt took some time to say it's war too, etc. ('cos calling it a war would mean triggering consequences). So, government's are super technical too... (not saying it's good or bad, I don't know, just saying that they are extremely technical with their words)
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by dan-0 on Friday March 04, 2022 @08:11AM
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Keep in mind, not everyone here speaks English proficiently or primarily. Nuances in definitions can lead to widely different interpretations.
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by SLWW on Friday March 04, 2022 @02:36AM
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Given recent moves to allow Ukrainians everywhere to bear arms in response to the invasion. It's rather reasonable to see that the Civilians, once they enter into defending a stronghold (in this case, just a power plant), that they are now considered a militia, which can surrender.
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by thefounder on Friday March 04, 2022 @07:25AM
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But not all civilians bear arms so not all are considered militia thus they can't "surrender"
Re:Fire extinguished at Ukraine nuclear power plant, Europe'...
by Bjartr on Friday March 04, 2022 @09:00AM
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I looked up surrender in a few dictionaries, and none of them even mention this constraint as a secondary definition, much less the primary meaning. It just means: to give oneself up, submit, yield; relinquish possession or control over
So yes, those in charge of the plant surrendered it to the attackers.