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Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by outside1234 on Friday February 25, 2022 @06:57PM (#30473894)
Regardless, the widespread handing out of AK-47s seems to indicate that the Russians are going to be in for at least an Iraq if not an Afghanistan. Not hard to imagine a slow motion killing field in these cities.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by m_ke on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:27PM (#30474117)
As an Eastern European I can guarantee you it will be way worse for them than Afghanistan. There are no good endings for Russia here.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by urthor on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:11PM (#30474403)
Realistically, Russia just wants to cause chaos in Western Ukraine whilst rolling over the parts of Ukraine in the East where they have popular support.

Russia doesn't want to take areas it doesn't have popular support in. It just wants to do exactly what it did to Georgia, punish its opponents and annex the friendly bits.

Everyone's doom-mongering, but Russia has a clear strategy.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dash2 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:27PM (#30475019)
Russia doesn’t have popular support even in the breakaway East. Who wants to live in a gangster republic?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dragontamer on Saturday February 26, 2022 @11:35AM (#30479036)
The east of Ukraine is the most heavily fortified due to literal war since the 2014 separatists.

Russia's strategy thus far has been to walk around and ignore the east, and instead attack big cities like Kyiv or Kharkhiv.

Russia's biggest gains have been their amphibious assaults from the south / Crimea.

But all attacks from the north and east have been lackluster this far. And bypassing the fortified line means that Ukraine has the ability to attack those overextended units in the rear.

Russia seems like they are rushing this. I think a slower, more deliberate advance would help the Russians here, they really shouldn't be trying to take cities yet just 3 or 4 days into the conflict. The Russians should have tried for air superiority and strengthened supply lines for a more drawn out assault.

Of course, I don't know the Russian supply situation. It could be that these units know they don't have enough supplied for a drawn out battle and are rushing because they need a quick victory?

The other theory is that Russia is doing the Cannon fodder strategy, purposefully sacrificing weaker troops to the enemy to eat up Ukraine's ammunition (javalin missiles or whatnot).

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by reducesuffering on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:10AM (#30476481)
Russia having a clear strategy doesn't mean that it's working out for them. Preliminary analysis seems to indicate that the start of this hasn't gone how Russia would've liked: militarily, justification-wise, or popular support of. There are reports of even the previous Russian-leaning people in Eastern Ukraine rapidly losing support for Russia after this insane offensive (like Russian citizenry and even Duma member now). The doom-mongering is valid because what kind of futile flailing does Russia do when their "clear strategy" for a quick and decisive victory doesn't fall through. Admit defeat and lose face, or lash out?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by xorfish on Saturday February 26, 2022 @03:36AM (#30476109)
Pro-Russia parties got less than 10% of the vote in the last election. It is hard to imagine that the sentiment moved in Putins favor since then.

Putin is invading a country that nearly unanimously opposes him with troops that thought that they were just there for an exercise and don't really want to invade their brother country.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by urthor on Saturday February 26, 2022 @04:41AM (#30476368)
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:%D0%A0%D0%B5...

Actually, the blue areas turned out a majority vote for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opposition_Platform_%E2%80%94_...

There are definitely some pro Russian electoral districts.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by xorfish on Saturday February 26, 2022 @08:12AM (#30477244)
There are multiple pro European parties, but only one pro Russian party.

Here is the map that shows the support for the pro Russian party.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/%D0%95%D...

There are very few districts, that have more than 50% support for the pro-Russian party. You also can't assume that the voters that voted for a pro Russian party want to be part of Russia and support the invasion.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by akimball on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:45PM (#30474853)
I fear you may not understand Putin's religious war. He needs Kiev to bring Ukraine under the Moscow patriarchate.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by yrgulation on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:03PM (#30474925)
Barking at the wrong tree. Putin threatened Estonia, Letonia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Hungary, Moldavia, Georgia and Bulgaria. He said Ukraine shouldn't exist as a country and there is no such thing as Ukranians. The guy then threatened Sweden and Finland with military consequences if they join NATO. People that try and minimise this are simply playing into his propaganda. He also threatened the US with consequences it has never seen in its entire history (couldn't have been any other country he could have referred to because the above have seen everything). Belarus’ Lukasenka already said they need to monitor the “situation” all the way to Berlin and requested Russian S400s.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by europewide on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:05PM (#30474360)
As a non religious person i pray they have the strength to start an insurrection that the world has never seen.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by cryptonector on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:51PM (#30475102)
Depends on Putin's goals. Taking government buildings only might be a reasonably low casualty operation, while taking the city might be a high casualty operation. But there's little value in the latter, so I would bet he'll go for a siege of the city itself while using air power and cavalry to take the government buildings.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by bryanlarsen on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:42PM (#30474235)
The biggest difference between Ukraine and Afghanistan or Vietnam is the ability of people to leave. The borders to Poland are open, almost anybody left is going to be hostile or a collaborator or deluded.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by Reichhardt on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:20PM (#30474991)
The fertility rate in Ukraine is 1.23. In Afghanistan in 2001 it was 7.39. Vietnam in 1960 was 6.35. Its much easier to fight guerilla war when you have hordes of young people. Ukraine is old, but so is Russia. Every male killed in this war there is probably the end of male lineage for that family.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by aynyc on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:06PM (#30474365)
That makes Russian position even worse. Because Poland will allow supply of weapons and fighters through its border. Making this a protracted war that Russians can’t win. Look at America and Pakistan, talibans moved at Will between the borders and American forces can’t engage.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by XorNot on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:15PM (#30474427)
This was also the story in Vietnam. The US was fighting endless supply lines from the north.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:21PM (#30474450)
Yes. Endless supply from the north swooping into Cambodia around the DMZ and right back into South Vietnam. They moved at-will nearly anywhere they wanted in South Vietnam.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ethbr0 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:33PM (#30475048)
At will... aside from the strategic and interdiction bombing of North Vietnamese trails (officially) and Cambodian trails (semi-officially) and substantial (especially for the 1960s) monitoring of the routes.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:11AM (#30475345)
Yes, at will. They would fix the trails within hours and bombs weren't accurate like they are today.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ethbr0 on Saturday February 26, 2022 @09:09AM (#30477663)
You're underestimating the effort and dedication that it took to move sufficient quantities of freight by foot over mountain trails.

"Plan A", this was not. That would have been motorized transport, which was effectively interdicted.

That North Vietnamese logistics was able to smuggle sufficient tonnage to supply even a limited insurgency in the South wasn't inevitable. And probably couldn't have been duplicated by most other military forces.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by vanattab on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:11PM (#30474408)
or old...
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by blago on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:25PM (#30474100)
I don't know if handing out AK-47's necessarily translates to desire to fight the Russians. People can be getting those to protect their families.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by kbelder on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:53PM (#30474295)
From the Russians?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:36PM (#30474195)
If you look it up, the majority of Iraqis supported the US. How many Ukrainians do you think support Russia?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by europewide on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:06PM (#30474363)
Ignore anyone telling you the russian army is strong. They cam do damage but their strength is grossly overestimated and part of propaganda used for demoralising the enemy. They are peasants with guns.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:16PM (#30474435)
I believe it!
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by tb0ne on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:27PM (#30474482)
Could you provide a source for that statement?

I know that the Shia majority did not support Saddam Hussein, but does this directly translate to them supporting a US invasion?

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:10PM (#30474955)
Petraeus mentions it in this recent article and everything I've found supports what he said:

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2022/02/da...

> Ukraine is not only bigger but some 50 percent more populous than Iraq, and the Iraqi population included many millions—Kurds, Christians, Yezidis, Shabak, and many of the Shia—who broadly supported the coalition forces throughout our time there. Only a minority of the Iraqi population comprised or supported the Sunni extremists and insurgents and Iranian-supported Shia militia. Though they did, to be sure, prove to be very formidable enemies.

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/06/10...

> "Iraq, today, 10 years on from the war, from the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, is not what the Iraqi people hoped for and expected. We hoped for an inclusive democracy, an Iraq that is at peace with itself and at peace with its neighbors," Salih said. "To be blunt, we are far from that."

> "But," he added, "it's important to understand where we started from. ... Literally hundreds of thousands of Iraqis were sent to mass graves. Ten years on from the demise of Saddam Hussein, we're still discovering mass graves across Iraq. And Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein—the overwhelming majority of Iraqis are better off without Saddam Hussein."

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/19/797722034/what-young-iraqis-w...

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by comrh on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:16PM (#30474430)
The Iraqis were under a dictator, the Ukrainians elected their President.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:17PM (#30474439)
That's what I'm saying. I'm hoping that the Russians are going to have a much tougher time in Ukraine since they are not welcome.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by rcurry on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:15PM (#30474022)
A rifle behind every blade of grass, as the saying goes.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by EdwardDiego on Saturday February 26, 2022 @01:16AM (#30475558)
I'm surprised that they haven't learned the lessons of Afghanistan (the Soviet era, the NATO era) about a population that is fighting for their homeland, vs. soldiers fighting because they were told to.

Or, I guess, the lessons of the Eastern Front of WW2.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dragonwriter on Saturday February 26, 2022 @01:26AM (#30475599)
> I'm surprised that they haven't learned the lessons of Afghanistan (the Soviet era, the NATO era) about a population that is fighting for their homeland, vs. soldiers fighting because they were told to.

They have learned a form of that lesson, which is why part of their domestic propaganda is about how “Ukraine” is fake country unjustly erected by Lenin and Stalin from Russian territory that has no justification to exist, but is naturally part of Russia, as well as that the current government of Ukraine is a Nazi regime. Putin wants the people fighting his war to see themselves as fighting in and for their homeland against NATO-backed Nazis intent on destroying Russia.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by EdwardDiego on Saturday February 26, 2022 @01:47AM (#30475658)
Good point. I wonder how it'll work?

I guess Ukraine is far less alien to a Russian than Afghanistan was (or Afghanistan or Iraq were to an American), so it could plausibly work. Most (if not all) Ukrainians also speak Russian.

And your point explains his speech emphasising the Kievan Rus as the origin of the Russian people, and and the often fluid borders of Ukraine.

And of course, the Kievan Rus as the point of Christianization of the Russian peoples. And in something that feels like it comes from a Paradox grand strategy game, in 2018, the FSB was trying to prevent people from switching from the Ukrainian Orthodox Church controlled by the Moscow Patriarchate to the independent Orthodox Church of Ukraine.

Putin really is playing the long game of "Ukraine was Russia, all along!"

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by cafard on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:13PM (#30479512)
So we should bring in Norwegians to rule it?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by EdwardDiego on Sunday February 27, 2022 @01:40AM (#30485971)
Not sure anyone involved would accept the prices Norway charges for alcohol.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by LegitShady on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:05PM (#30473954)
I worry that handing out arms to civilians means Russia is going to have excuses for any civilian casualties from now on. Sprinkle an ak47 on the body take a picture and call it justified.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by tablespoon on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:26PM (#30474116)
> I worry that handing out arms to civilians means Russia is going to have excuses for any civilian casualties from now on. Sprinkle an ak47 on the body take a picture and call it justified.

Why it that the thing you worry about? The Russians have demonstrated they'll blatantly lie to justify their actions, no connection to reality needed.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by awb on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:14PM (#30474015)
There's nothing to stop anyone from claiming anything they want. It's word against word. There is no neutral authority that's going to investigate during the middle of a war.

The only way to prove a war crime (like killing civilians), is documented evidence and/or testimony from fellow troops.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by wycy on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:38PM (#30474819)
Russia has such a history of making fake videos that hopefully any video "evidence" presented by them is immediately taken with mountains of salt anyway.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by awb on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:39PM (#30475074)
Already a lot of video game footage online (mostly planes and explosions) masquerading as real video.

Hopefully there’s AI analysis of video too to make sure it’s not manipulated.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:12PM (#30474001)
It’s sounds like the Ukrainians have priced that in. There are already videos popping up of Brits, Canadians, and Americans firing on Russian positions around Kiev. I’m also hearing form some Ukrainians that they’re planning to make it Russia’s Vietnam.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by rcurry on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:19PM (#30474049)
I’m sure the US and allies will make that happen. This isn’t Afghanistan - even if the Russians occupy the Ukraine we will be supplying the insurgent forces with technology that will make the Russians feel like they’re fighting the Martians.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ClumsyPilot on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:54PM (#30474881)
"we will be supplying the insurgent forces with technology that will make the Russians feel like they’re fighting the Martians"

Would be nice if the West supplied Ukraine with all this technology before the war began in the 8 years prior - their airforce and Air defence are tiny and dated.

So far the rich nations of the west mostly left Ukraine to the wolves - supplying only short-ranged squad level weapons and dated equipment.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by antishatter on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:27PM (#30474121)
There’s 0% chance this is accurate. While Russia is an aging and rusted military power their elite forces are still equipped exceedingly well.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by tomatotomato37 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:00PM (#30474339)
Having elite forces with fancy equipment only matters if you use them well. If your only strategy is to yeet them far behind enemy lines while your main front with support is still bogged down then you won't have elite forces or fancy equipment much longer
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by antishatter on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:08PM (#30474380)
Where does this portrait of Russia as an incompetent troop army come from? I thought we learned with ww1 that portraying your enemy as weak and incompetent only created morale issues when they were tougher than expected?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by tomatotomato37 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:23PM (#30474459)
The war going on right now is a good place to start. They did a massive air assault with elite VDV units without proper support, which caused them to lose Antonov Airport like six hours after capturing it, and are now wandering armor through urban areas that have AT nests camping out every window. Really the only reason they managed to do as well as have is their focus on shutting down Ukranian air in the initial missile wave and their sheer numbers.

Ironically that train of thought is what is hampering Russia now, since their actions seem to communicate an expectation that they would have been able to just walk into Kyiv like they did for Crimea, and didn't expect the actual resistance of an army fighting for their home

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by jupp0r on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:26PM (#30474481)
Have you read the original article? It's coming from Chechnya.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:22PM (#30474080)
I sincerely hope it doesn’t come to that.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by rcurry on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:55PM (#30474313)
And I’m right there with you.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dragonwriter on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:25PM (#30474104)
> This isn’t Afghanistan

Afghanistan was the USSR’s Vietnam, so I don't know why you'd say this isn’t Afghanistan in this context.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:29PM (#30474139)
I think the parent comment means there’s kit that could be given to the Ukrainians that’s way better than what the Russians have without having to worry about bigger things like shoulder fired missiles a la Afghanistan in the 80s.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by rcurry on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:30PM (#30474149)
What I mean is that it will be a thousand times worse.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:41PM (#30474232)
I just saw that irregulars/volunteers are live-streaming the KIA that the Russians are leaving behind. It’s unbearably grisly.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by moltar on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:24AM (#30478276)
> There are already videos popping up of Brits, Canadians, and Americans firing on Russian positions around Kiev.

Any links?

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by davidwritesbugs on Saturday February 26, 2022 @01:21PM (#30480186)
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2-718-281-828 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:37PM (#30474205)
Where do you find those videos? On Twitter?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:42PM (#30474242)
There’s a war videos Reddit, and I’m not on TikTok but apparently a lot of volunteers are streaming commentary with the camera pointed at the ground.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by savant_penguin on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:19PM (#30474050)
If you watch how a Russian armored vehicle went out of it's easy to trample an unarmed civilian car I'd say they do not care about having excuses

Sometimes the only defense is to shoot back however you can

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by fuoqi on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:10PM (#30474399)
The car was trampled by an anti-air system on the Ukranian controlled territory, no?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2-718-281-828 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:36PM (#30474200)
There are several videos about that incident because it happend right next to another incident where a military truck got ambushed and the personal was killed. Those were wearing Ukrainian uniforms. I'd really like to know whose tank that was (seems to have been Ukrainian) and who steered it and why it crashed into the car. Might actually have been an attempt to avoid a perceived attack instead of intentional.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by cjbgkagh on Friday February 25, 2022 @11:15PM (#30475174)
I think the driver survived, I saw a video of them being extracted from the crushed car.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dash2 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:33PM (#30475046)
Link/source?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by reducesuffering on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:46AM (#30476604)
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by HWR_14 on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:19PM (#30474741)
What civilian casualties to justify? You don't send cremation trucks with your forces because you want an accurate accounting of the dead. The number of people who are just going to disappear - on both sides - is sobering.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by woah on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:11PM (#30473993)
Do they care about having excuses?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by xdennis on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:02PM (#30474920)
Russia's excuse so far is that their Jewish president is a Nazi. There's no reason to worry about what excuses they can create in the future.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by nitwit005 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:08PM (#30474382)
I'm not sure it'll make much difference. The Russians haven't seemed to have worried all that much about civilian casualties in past conflicts.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by SamTwardowski on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:23PM (#30474752)
Many Russians have Ukrainian ancestry and/or family in Ukraine - especially in the southern parts of Russia. If the Russian army wanted to inflict higher civilian casualties they could, but that's not the goal.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dash2 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:34PM (#30475051)
Does Putin care though? If he orders eg missile strikes on cities….
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by Spooky23 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:53PM (#30474300)
That will happen anyway. Asymmetrical warfare always goes that way, especially with conscript armies.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by e12e on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:18PM (#30474038)
"military aged male".
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by stjohnswarts on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:05PM (#30474675)
I think you're making the mistake that Russians care if they kill innocents or that Putin cares how they win.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by fuoqi on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:04PM (#30474357)
Handing out AK-47 to everyone without even recording who got a weapon is outright irresponsible. Without training or any kind of command you will get yesterdays civilians killing other civilians. We already have seen how "territorial defense forces" have shot a family of five (two parents, two girls, and one boy; only two kids have survived) who tried to flee from Kiev. Who knows how many of those 60 diversants reported by Kiev are truly Russian forces and not Ukrainians killed in friendly fire.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by filoleg on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:33PM (#30474515)
> Handing out AK-47 to everyone without even recording who got a weapon is outright irresponsible

"Mr. Miroshnichenko [the head of international affairs for the Territorial Defense Force of Ukraine] turned aside any concerns over arming a civilian population in the capital’s streets, saying that each weapon’s serial number was attached to a passport."[0]

While your concern about training remains, they definitely recorded who got weapons. And also keep in mind that Ukraine, the entire time, had mandatory conscription of all males, where they definitely learned the basics of handling a firearm.

And plus, I am sorry, but there are certain situations when concern over proper training takes a backseat, and this feels like one of them.

0. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/02/25/world/russia-ukraine...

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by fuoqi on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:46PM (#30474567)
I prefer to trust my eyes and ears: https://t.me/SergeyKolyasnikov/22500

In this video he literally says that weapons are given without any documents whatsoever.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by filoleg on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:21PM (#30474745)
So, some random bystander person says in a video posted on Telegram that they are giving out weapons without documents, while the actual military official in charge says that they tie serial numbers to passports. Not trying to say that the officials never lie, but the level of credibility of those two claims is tilting heavily towards the military official for me.

And regardless, that specific point isn't really a concern (to me personally) when it comes to literally having to defend livelihood of your family and the city against an invading force.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by notch656a on Saturday February 26, 2022 @12:07AM (#30475327)
Why don't you go tell them they're doing wrong yourself? They're probably not reading HN. Go volunteer to record the passports and documents while the enemy is on the horizon, and post videos so we can all watch and make sure you're documenting properly.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by urthor on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:09PM (#30474394)
They don't give a shit.

Realistically, in a conflict, anyone who cannot materially contribute to the conflict is a liability.

Every single military, the world over, is heavily trained to ignore civilian casualties.

As long as it's not a militarily significant asset, their training is to not care about it.

Handing out AK-47s increases the number of military assets. The cost doesn't show up on the military asset balance sheet.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dash2 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:35PM (#30475056)
> Every single military, the world over, is heavily trained to ignore civilian casualties.

This sounds extremely implausible.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by cryptonector on Friday February 25, 2022 @11:01PM (#30475139)
People, ideas, material -- in that order! -col. John Boyd
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by stjohnswarts on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:03PM (#30474665)
They didn't exactly have a lot of time to form a committee and design a proper gun database and licensing process. They just wanted to kill some invaders.