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Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by LegitShady on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:05PM (#30473954)
I worry that handing out arms to civilians means Russia is going to have excuses for any civilian casualties from now on. Sprinkle an ak47 on the body take a picture and call it justified.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by tablespoon on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:26PM (#30474116)
> I worry that handing out arms to civilians means Russia is going to have excuses for any civilian casualties from now on. Sprinkle an ak47 on the body take a picture and call it justified.

Why it that the thing you worry about? The Russians have demonstrated they'll blatantly lie to justify their actions, no connection to reality needed.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by awb on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:14PM (#30474015)
There's nothing to stop anyone from claiming anything they want. It's word against word. There is no neutral authority that's going to investigate during the middle of a war.

The only way to prove a war crime (like killing civilians), is documented evidence and/or testimony from fellow troops.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by wycy on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:38PM (#30474819)
Russia has such a history of making fake videos that hopefully any video "evidence" presented by them is immediately taken with mountains of salt anyway.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by awb on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:39PM (#30475074)
Already a lot of video game footage online (mostly planes and explosions) masquerading as real video.

Hopefully there’s AI analysis of video too to make sure it’s not manipulated.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:12PM (#30474001)
It’s sounds like the Ukrainians have priced that in. There are already videos popping up of Brits, Canadians, and Americans firing on Russian positions around Kiev. I’m also hearing form some Ukrainians that they’re planning to make it Russia’s Vietnam.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by rcurry on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:19PM (#30474049)
I’m sure the US and allies will make that happen. This isn’t Afghanistan - even if the Russians occupy the Ukraine we will be supplying the insurgent forces with technology that will make the Russians feel like they’re fighting the Martians.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ClumsyPilot on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:54PM (#30474881)
"we will be supplying the insurgent forces with technology that will make the Russians feel like they’re fighting the Martians"

Would be nice if the West supplied Ukraine with all this technology before the war began in the 8 years prior - their airforce and Air defence are tiny and dated.

So far the rich nations of the west mostly left Ukraine to the wolves - supplying only short-ranged squad level weapons and dated equipment.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by antishatter on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:27PM (#30474121)
There’s 0% chance this is accurate. While Russia is an aging and rusted military power their elite forces are still equipped exceedingly well.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by tomatotomato37 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:00PM (#30474339)
Having elite forces with fancy equipment only matters if you use them well. If your only strategy is to yeet them far behind enemy lines while your main front with support is still bogged down then you won't have elite forces or fancy equipment much longer
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by antishatter on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:08PM (#30474380)
Where does this portrait of Russia as an incompetent troop army come from? I thought we learned with ww1 that portraying your enemy as weak and incompetent only created morale issues when they were tougher than expected?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by tomatotomato37 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:23PM (#30474459)
The war going on right now is a good place to start. They did a massive air assault with elite VDV units without proper support, which caused them to lose Antonov Airport like six hours after capturing it, and are now wandering armor through urban areas that have AT nests camping out every window. Really the only reason they managed to do as well as have is their focus on shutting down Ukranian air in the initial missile wave and their sheer numbers.

Ironically that train of thought is what is hampering Russia now, since their actions seem to communicate an expectation that they would have been able to just walk into Kyiv like they did for Crimea, and didn't expect the actual resistance of an army fighting for their home

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by jupp0r on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:26PM (#30474481)
Have you read the original article? It's coming from Chechnya.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:22PM (#30474080)
I sincerely hope it doesn’t come to that.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by rcurry on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:55PM (#30474313)
And I’m right there with you.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dragonwriter on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:25PM (#30474104)
> This isn’t Afghanistan

Afghanistan was the USSR’s Vietnam, so I don't know why you'd say this isn’t Afghanistan in this context.

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:29PM (#30474139)
I think the parent comment means there’s kit that could be given to the Ukrainians that’s way better than what the Russians have without having to worry about bigger things like shoulder fired missiles a la Afghanistan in the 80s.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by rcurry on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:30PM (#30474149)
What I mean is that it will be a thousand times worse.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:41PM (#30474232)
I just saw that irregulars/volunteers are live-streaming the KIA that the Russians are leaving behind. It’s unbearably grisly.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by moltar on Saturday February 26, 2022 @10:24AM (#30478276)
> There are already videos popping up of Brits, Canadians, and Americans firing on Russian positions around Kiev.

Any links?

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by davidwritesbugs on Saturday February 26, 2022 @01:21PM (#30480186)
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2-718-281-828 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:37PM (#30474205)
Where do you find those videos? On Twitter?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by ch4s3 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:42PM (#30474242)
There’s a war videos Reddit, and I’m not on TikTok but apparently a lot of volunteers are streaming commentary with the camera pointed at the ground.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by savant_penguin on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:19PM (#30474050)
If you watch how a Russian armored vehicle went out of it's easy to trample an unarmed civilian car I'd say they do not care about having excuses

Sometimes the only defense is to shoot back however you can

Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by fuoqi on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:10PM (#30474399)
The car was trampled by an anti-air system on the Ukranian controlled territory, no?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by 2-718-281-828 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:36PM (#30474200)
There are several videos about that incident because it happend right next to another incident where a military truck got ambushed and the personal was killed. Those were wearing Ukrainian uniforms. I'd really like to know whose tank that was (seems to have been Ukrainian) and who steered it and why it crashed into the car. Might actually have been an attempt to avoid a perceived attack instead of intentional.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by cjbgkagh on Friday February 25, 2022 @11:15PM (#30475174)
I think the driver survived, I saw a video of them being extracted from the crushed car.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dash2 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:33PM (#30475046)
Link/source?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by reducesuffering on Saturday February 26, 2022 @05:46AM (#30476604)
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by HWR_14 on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:19PM (#30474741)
What civilian casualties to justify? You don't send cremation trucks with your forces because you want an accurate accounting of the dead. The number of people who are just going to disappear - on both sides - is sobering.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by woah on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:11PM (#30473993)
Do they care about having excuses?
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by xdennis on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:02PM (#30474920)
Russia's excuse so far is that their Jewish president is a Nazi. There's no reason to worry about what excuses they can create in the future.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by nitwit005 on Friday February 25, 2022 @08:08PM (#30474382)
I'm not sure it'll make much difference. The Russians haven't seemed to have worried all that much about civilian casualties in past conflicts.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by SamTwardowski on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:23PM (#30474752)
Many Russians have Ukrainian ancestry and/or family in Ukraine - especially in the southern parts of Russia. If the Russian army wanted to inflict higher civilian casualties they could, but that's not the goal.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by dash2 on Friday February 25, 2022 @10:34PM (#30475051)
Does Putin care though? If he orders eg missile strikes on cities….
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by Spooky23 on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:53PM (#30474300)
That will happen anyway. Asymmetrical warfare always goes that way, especially with conscript armies.
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by e12e on Friday February 25, 2022 @07:18PM (#30474038)
"military aged male".
Re:Russian-manufactured armored vehicle vulnerability in urb... by stjohnswarts on Friday February 25, 2022 @09:05PM (#30474675)
I think you're making the mistake that Russians care if they kill innocents or that Putin cares how they win.