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Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by asdfasgasdgasdg on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:18PM (#30402281)
Great if it works for you, but for those who are dealing with babies, I wouldn't beat myself up if this advice doesn't apply. The parenting advice world is chock full of people who found something that worked for them and who then made the unwarranted conclusion that it is universal truth. For example, their techniques that "always work" definitely do not always work. Maybe they always worked for their particular babies, but I have been in situations with my kids where neither shushing and patting nor holding and walking worked to stop crying.

My general feeling is that you can drive yourself nuts trying to figure out why your baby is crying, and, as the blog author mentioned in his conclusion, you may still be unable to figure it out. IMO this is a great time of one's life to discard the illusion of control.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by EdwardDiego on Sunday February 20, 2022 @02:00AM (#30403813)
Every child is a whole new world, a whole new potential, and a whole new problem.

1. My first child couldn't be calmed easily, although I found a song that somehow worked. [0]

2. Second child could be soothed by slowly rubbing from his temple down past his eye to his cheek.

3. Third child hated that, but loved having her forehead rubbed slowly in a horizontal manner.

4. Fourth child just wanted a firm pressure on the top of his head (e.g., a palm, he'd also burrow up into your armpit for comfort sometimes, which was awkward when I hadn't showered that day)

5. Fifth child didn't need any of the above, just lots of hugs and kisses at bed time. Bless her.

The only generally applicable rules I found are:

* Sleeping on your chest when young where they can hear your heartbeart (I found it works best with Dad when breastfeeding, as the smell of Mom's milk tended to stir them up for a feed, even if they're struggling with wind and not able to feed) can be very calming. Ideally done skin to skin.

* Slow rocking while making a continuous "sssshhh" noise often helped - the fact I'd become a human white noise generator amused me.

* Patiently, calmly, love them. It's most important to do this when it's hardest to love them. Knowing that they can be total assholes and you'll still love them is what grows secure kids.

* Ask for help when you're struggling! A lot of your friends and family are probably desperate to help you, but they don't want to appear condescending, or to intrude. So give them permission, explicitly invite them to help, and your sanity will return, which will make you a much better parent for baby.

That's it. That's all my parenting advice after five babies.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCpXp6o8dnk

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by ido on Sunday February 20, 2022 @02:25AM (#30403918)
Yeah, I always find it funny when someone who has themselves only been a parent for 3 months feels they can now dispense sage advice. Sorta like someone going through bootcamp giving advice about programming.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by indemnity on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:30AM (#30404199)
We thought we were terrible no good parents with our first child, who is a little bit more on the sensitive and emotional side, with quite a bit of anxiety also. None of the advice from anyone worked, friends, family, parents, siblings, internet. Still not the easiest child at 5, but easier. Second child arrived, mentally prepared for the same challenges… and what a textbook kid, three years on.

Super chill, knocked all the milestones out of the park, easy to console, cheerful, little peacemaker, apple of big brother’s eye, makes us look like amazing parents.

I don’t give anyone any advice now other than … it can be hard, love your child, and spend a lot of time with them.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by EdwardDiego on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:47AM (#30404258)
> I don’t give anyone any advice now other than … it can be hard, love your child, and spend a lot of time with them.

That's probably the only generally applicable parenting advice. Glad you got an easy one second time around :)

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by definitelyhuman on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:16AM (#30405129)
It’s amazing how much pressure first time parents can put on themselves. The number of expectations is insane and impossible, and makes an already stressful situation worse.

Our first was difficult as well and advice never really applied. As a baby heavy metal actually worked well, which horrified my mother - but it’s all about finding something that works to calm them. Great closing sentiment, so I’ll paraphrase: it will be hard to love your child sometimes. Love them always, keep them safe, treat them well, and show them the beauty in the world. What seems hard will get easier.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by progre on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:43AM (#30405250)
That Seth Rogen film "Knocked up" got it right:

Katherine Heigl: But I had a plan!

Ken Jeong: Baby don't care!

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by tomrod on Sunday February 20, 2022 @08:31AM (#30405526)
Hear hear.

I give one piece of advice, heavily caveated, that running a vacuum cleaner helped calm my newborns when we brought them home from the hospital (advice from nurses line when our oldest was inconsolable at 4 days old). I then follow up that everyone parent is going to have advice that worked for them and their baby, and it can be tiring to hear but typically comes from a place of love. The parent-to-be will figure out what works for them. Reach out for help, they aren't alone, and so on.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by ciphol on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:57AM (#30404812)
The best time to give advice about the first 3 months is when your kids are 3 months old. After that, the kids change and parenting changes too and you're likely to forget what worked at age 3 months. Someone with 10 year old kids has probably forgotten a lot of what they figured out when the kids were babies.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by ido on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:06AM (#30405085)
You may also still be too close to it to realize some things you will later figure out with introspection/hindsight/some things not being apparent as having been a good or bad idea until a later age. And if it's your first kids you are also likely to overgeneralize what worked for your kids to a generic advice that works for everyone.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by celticninja on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:34AM (#30404722)
10/12 years in and sometimes I still feel like I have no idea what I'm doing. One thing I know is that what works for one of my children probably doesn't work for the others let alone for other people's children.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by sbst32 on Monday February 21, 2022 @06:10AM (#30414396)
It's like someone going through bootcamp giving advice (actually just describing their experience) about the first months of bootcamp - a perfectly sensible thing to do.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by Hallucinaut on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:54PM (#30410781)
My childhood heavily featured Dominion Road as my grandparents lived nearby so I had to recheck I opened the right link when I saw that song appear.

Now I'm wondering why 20 years ago I thought the music video for that song featured a cameo of the black panther statue that to me represents that road...

Also lovely words. I can't imagine having five!

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by Hallucinaut on Sunday February 20, 2022 @08:14PM (#30410900)
Ah, there's a second, earlier (and more charismatic, in my opinion) video.

The panther statue is at 2:45. I'm glad I didn't imagine this, I started to feel the Mandela effect.

https://youtu.be/PfdvAVkg1X0

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by privatdozent on Sunday February 20, 2022 @04:08AM (#30404341)
Beautiful advice Edward :)
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by EdwardDiego on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:35AM (#30404724)
Thanks mate :) Children are the ultimate expression of "the more I learn, the more I realise how little I know".
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by Underphil on Sunday February 20, 2022 @01:50AM (#30403769)
My only advice to new parents is to largely ignore other parents' advice. Except mine, and only in this one instance.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by watwut on Sunday February 20, 2022 @02:31AM (#30403940)
Meh. Advice I got from other parents or on parenting forums were those actually most likely to work.

What does not work is advice from "parenting experts" or doctor talking about non medicine etc. And of course advice people trade on forums non parenting forums (like HN) - too much of it is from people who don't interact with kids actually.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by kwhitefoot on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:37AM (#30405220)
Quoted parenting experts are perhaps no use but actual experts are.

My mother was advised by the late great Hugh Jolly, a genuine expert.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by iforgotpassword on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:35AM (#30404221)
If say don't ignore other parents advice, except the one I'm replying to. ;-)

I think it's reasonable to survey a dozen parents to get a bunch of different opinions and recommendations of what worked for others, so you have enough things to try if you got a situation, and don't just panic.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by mortehu on Sunday February 20, 2022 @10:52AM (#30406603)
There are definitely a lot of families with sleep problems that could be solved if they read "Solve your child's sleep problem" by Richard Ferber (not just the famous two pages about baby sleep training). Many parents I talk to spend years dealing badly with sleep problems.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by Fnoord on Sunday February 20, 2022 @10:15AM (#30406321)
Not ignore, that's the other extreme. Take it with a grain of salt instead of as a bible. Experiment in a non-harmful way. Try things out, see what works. Every child is different, even from same gene pool.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by PragmaticPulp on Saturday February 19, 2022 @09:02PM (#30402542)
> For example, their techniques that "always work" definitely do not always work.

Among parenting social media influencers, this is a gamble for building rapport among an audience:

Make some extreme claim that may or may not work for some portion of people who hear it. People who hear it, try it, and find that it works will vividly remember the influencer as being correct. People who try it with no results will quickly forget it about it.

Repeat across several claims and eventually some percentage of them will be correct for the audience.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by mason55 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @09:04PM (#30402554)
Like sport betting advice. Make 64 accounts, predict the outcome of six 50/50 games, start a paid newsletter with the one that got them all right.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by redisman on Saturday February 19, 2022 @09:05PM (#30402557)
Often the followers seem to self select. If someone’s advice was crap/didn’t work for you at all, you stop paying attention to them - if it worked you might think they’re a genius
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by Fnoord on Sunday February 20, 2022 @10:16AM (#30406335)
Cold reading + advertising = influencer (= a cool word for self-employed marketeer)
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by furyofantares on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:44PM (#30402429)
Here's one that always worked for me from about 6mo to 18mo: If she was crying and I played Hamilton on my phone, she'd immediately stop crying. Then I'd figure out that had been wrong and solve the actual problem for her.

This was a 100% thing, it felt like magic, but of course I'm not gonna dole it out as even remotely likely to work with another baby.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by EdwardDiego on Sunday February 20, 2022 @01:52AM (#30403771)
For my oldest child, it was Dominion Road by the Muttonbirds[0], that calmed him, and only that. It was sheer luck I found that out.

But, after having more children than you could fit in a regular car, I've realised that each child is an entire bag of quirks that don't apply to others.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCpXp6o8dnk

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by progre on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:06AM (#30404106)
For mine it was Ensigns of Victory by Winterfylleth. My wife would say i was Perfect Day by Lou Reed. I never had any luck with Lou Reed.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by philliphaydon on Sunday February 20, 2022 @02:20AM (#30403897)
My daughter had 3 different cries that I learned when I was left alone with her for 1 week when she was 3 weeks old.

Hungry. Wet. Tired. When I learned these she was easy to take care of.

The night terrors tho. That phase is soooo hard. 3 weeks walking up in the middle of the night screaming for no reason. Hours to get her back to sleep. Then just stops…

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by Jaxan on Sunday February 20, 2022 @04:59AM (#30404578)
> 3 weeks walking up in the middle of the night screaming for no reason

Only 3 weeks is not so bad. I woke up every three hours for the first 14 months. And then he just started sleeping well. It’s very random.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by gambiting on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:42AM (#30404754)
Our 10 month old son is still waking up every 1-2 hours at night screaming at the top of his lungs, for absolutely no reason at all. Not hungry, no wet nappy, sometimes hugging and talking/singing helps, sometimes it doesn't. Me and my wife are just 100% exhausted and I can't wait for this to end - but at 6 month mark everyone was telling us "oh this will only last another few weeks, don't worry" - it's 4 months later and he still does it. I'm losing hope slowly.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by philliphaydon on Sunday February 20, 2022 @06:36AM (#30404964)
Unsure if it's night terrors. We went through it twice. Both times lasted 3-4 weeks.

Daughter would go to bed, fall asleep, all happy, full belly etc. At around 2am, wake up screaming at the top of her lungs. I would pick her up and hold her and pace back and forth for about 2 hours while she sobbed. If my wife tried to touch her the crying would go back up full blast.

After the 4th night on the first time I just threw her over my sholder and hummed to her until she fell asleep, then wife got her blanket and pillow and put it in our bed between us and i would slowly move to the bed, gently put her down trying not to wake her (she woke easy a few times doing this) and then that was usually it for the rest of the night.

1st time was at about 20 months, second time at about 28 months. Bar none the WORST experience we've had so far.

In terms of sleeping through the night, she took ~18 months before not waking for milk in the middle of the night. In the early days I had her crib next to my bed and if she began to stir I would instantly wake, make a bottle. (we did formula for the whole thing, kept a flask of warm water and pre-measured milk powder next to the bed). Change her nappy, feed her, and put her back to sleep. I would be awake for 10 minutes and back to sleep.

I consider myself very lucky in this regard because I've heard horror stories.

Edit: Oh, the other thing with the night terrors, one thing the internet told us to do was get a night light. And don't turn the room light on when they wake. Makes getting back to sleep much harder.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by shrikant on Sunday February 20, 2022 @10:02AM (#30406203)
Hang in there mate -- I would suggest just making your peace with it, and not getting your hopes up in expectation of a fix coming in at a particular milestone/age/time. Hope is just bad for your mental health at this stage.

I went through the same thing with my now-13-month-old son. Literally every single month N someone would tell us, "Oh don't worry, this will go away once he turns N+1 months old." AND IT NEVER DID.

Until about a month or so back, that is. Just completely randomly -- I don't think we did anything different to the usual routine, he just started sleeping big 7-9 hours stretches as night with one brief screamy wakeup, and sometimes even 10-11 hours.

Up until then we'd attempted everything -- sleep training, white noise, blackout blinds, rocking, not rocking, singing, calming music, EVERYTHING -- and at some point just decided if he's going to sleep terribly and scream anyway, there wasn't much point beating ourselves up over it and just made our peace with it, and stuck to the same routine that seemed to get the best (VERY RELATIVELY SPEAKING) results.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by coryrc on Sunday February 20, 2022 @10:21AM (#30406378)
Sleep Lady Shuffle
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by feiss on Sunday February 20, 2022 @04:39AM (#30404481)
> The night terrors tho.

i feel you -_-

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by ALittleLight on Sunday February 20, 2022 @12:22AM (#30403428)
My own "technique that always works" (your mileage may vary) was "The hold".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2C8MkY7Co8

In my experience the baby will often resume crying as soon as you stop doing it, but we used this whenever we needed a couple minutes of relief.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by sergers on Sunday February 20, 2022 @06:07AM (#30404846)
We endlessly tried the hold.

Maybe actually worked 75% of situations, but as you said majority of time they would resume when we stopped.

Helps to try quickly distract them in that moment they pause doing the hold, atleast wth my child

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by donw on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:31PM (#30402354)
Exactly.

Babies cry because they're new to the world. They have not yet grown the moderating influence of context provided by experience. Every baby is unique, with a different emotional balance.

A big chunk of parenting is figuring your kids out, and balancing that with the set of experiences they need to have in order to grow. Many of those experiences are painful, which means you also need to figure out the balance of "let them cry" and "comfort them", which also changes drastically over time.

That's where having both parents really matters, as the tension between them is essential in finding that balance.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by duxup on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:39PM (#30402399)
Yeah babies are different.

My kids didn’t scream or cry much at all.

Friends whose kids screamed all the time were astonished and tried everything to figure it out.

But we had opposite experiences with kids sleeping through a the night, I’m tired just thinking of it.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by senectus1 on Saturday February 19, 2022 @09:41PM (#30402735)
yup.my son slept through at 6 weeks, but refused to sleep at all during the day. My daughter slept happily during the day and didn't start to even attempt to sleep through the night till after week 9... never consistently sill after week 12
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by spdegabrielle on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:28PM (#30402333)
I’d like to add: it is ok to ask for help.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by progre on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:23AM (#30404182)
This. My wife went half crazy from sleep deprivation when our baby was about 1 month. One time both she and our daughter fell asleep after late night feeding. I went to make a sandwich, and when I came back my wife was crying in bed trying to wake the sleeping baby because she thoght she had been sleeping for 5 hours but in reality it was more like 20 minutes. She was desperate because the baby wouldn't wake up and eat. After that we realized that we were heading in a dangerous direction. We started the baby on formula instead of breast milk (at the time there was a somewhat agressive push from the baby doctors to keep breast feeding as long as possible). This meant we could share feeding duties. When she was comfortable with formula we actually left our (about 2 month old at that point) with my parents for 1 night a week so we could both sleep.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by arbol on Sunday February 20, 2022 @04:20AM (#30404384)
Grandparent help would have been far more common in the past due to shared living arrangements. Makes you think it might be harder today when coupled with both parents working.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by progre on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:09AM (#30404616)
I agree, but this also in opposition to the prevailing (maybe cultural) drive for everyone to live their own life. Most people I know wouldn't want to live with their parents or their inlaws. Most parents don't want their grown up kids around.

So we build kindergardens and other social services to help with that. And underfunded schools somehow gets stuck with actually making functioning adults out of kids. In Sweden, where I live, stay-at-home parents don't get a full share of the pension funds so the system discurages staying at home with kids. So much for the vote-yourself-rich democrazy.

It's a mess. It should be noted though: The small family unit came first, with industrialization. The social network is there to support the industry, not the family.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by gus_massa on Sunday February 20, 2022 @10:14AM (#30406316)
A few years ago here in Argentina the advice from many/most doctors/nurses was to wake up the children and breast feed her/him every 3 hours, even if the kid was sleeping. It was insane, because the mother could not do anything and barely sleep. Not every doctor agreed with that, and I'm not sure if they changed it.

And there is also a lot of peer pressure. Other women put a funny face when someone discuss not 100% breast feeding.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by dtech on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:08AM (#30404614)
I don't think you need formula, around here they recommend expressing and storing so both partners can feed breast milk.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by sergers on Sunday February 20, 2022 @06:24AM (#30404911)
My wife tried breastfeeding, it was too much for her and wasn't really working how much she tried.

We had all the pumps, techniques, just wasn't worth the stress.

The important thing is your child is being fed.

There have been multiple cases where infants have starved to death after being born because the mothers were convinced only to give breast milk, and couldn't produce enough.

We switched from 50% formula/breast milk to strictly formula.

If u aren't giving breast, there's additional vitamins you need to give aswell

Do what works best... In many cases it's not breast milk for everyone's health and sanity.

When we switched to ready made Enfamil, that was such a lifesaver for me and my wife

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by progre on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:11AM (#30404629)
Sure that can work. In our case the breastfeeding hormones was definetly a contributing factor to the crazy so that wasn't an option.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by darkerside on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:26AM (#30404689)
It's really hard for some moms. Do you feel like ejaculating 15 times per day for a year?
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by 01100011 on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:00AM (#30404072)
I always figured a baby could just have a headache or other painful/uncomfortable issues that show no symptoms and you've just got to accept that you can't always determine what they need to stop crying. I think it helps me have more sympathy and patience for them when I look at it that way.
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by choeger on Sunday February 20, 2022 @05:53AM (#30404800)
You're absolutely right. Nevertheless it helps to have a finite list of priorities: If it's not cold,heat,hunger, discomfort,illness,tiredness (in no particular order) it's good to know that you didn't forget anything important and your baby is crying for no reason you are responsible for.

Btw. What the author calls "wicked hour" we used to call "brain pain" - like aching muscles after training, just with the developing brain. One kid wouldn't calm down after being held very tightly for minutes in a dark room and having a screaming tantrum. Once this was over, she was absolutely peaceful again. Other kid didn't need to scream to cope with the day, but had difficulties at the same time of day.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by farmerstan on Saturday February 19, 2022 @08:48PM (#30402455)
Babies only have a single mechanism of communication and it takes a while to debug it.

Imagine you had a computer that would crash every time something went wrong. You would develop a checklist for that computer to help with debugging it. That’s the exact same thing with kids.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by AussieWog93 on Sunday February 20, 2022 @06:17AM (#30404884)
>IMO this is a great time of one's life to discard the illusion of control.

Became a first-time parent back in 2020, and couldn't agree more. The trend of slowly increasing personal freedom/control suddenly stops, and your freedom is reverted back to near-zero. As in, you will become completely dependent on your spouse and cannot even piss or shit alone when bubs is awake.

The best thing to do is just acknowledge that this is life now (and more than that, the type of life that human beings have evolved to live in), and the past few years of unrestrained personal freedom were a dream that you needed to wake up from.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by jefftk on Sunday February 20, 2022 @07:41AM (#30405245)
Especially since the author has twins, and it's really easy to think you have two independent samples when you really have two very similar ones (in both genetics and shared environment)
Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by pwdisswordfish9 on Sunday February 20, 2022 @03:48AM (#30404260)
> The […] world is chock full of people who found something that worked for them and who then made the unwarranted conclusion that it is universal truth.

FTFY. Oh wait…

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by GordonS on Sunday February 20, 2022 @08:23AM (#30405476)
If being a parent taught me anything, it's to trust my instincts - go with your gut, as the parent(s) you understand your baby better than any other parents, friends or healthcare workers.

It's a long story, but we could have saved our family a lot of grief if we knew that from the start - but of course, as first time parents it's not easy to trust your guy.

Re:Why babies cry in the first three months, how to tell the... by mberning on Saturday February 19, 2022 @09:04PM (#30402552)
Very true, I was going to make a similar statement but you said it perfectly. Infants do follow some common patterns, but what works for YOUR infant might be completely different that what you’ve read, been told, or even experienced with prior children. I don’t think there is any shame in doing what works as long as it is safe.