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Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by BaldricksGhost on Thursday February 03, 2022 @09:13AM (#30192619)
"Facebook is where you find out your highschool friend is super in to a MLM, your uncle has drastic political views you don't share, and that your historical social class and network is largely irrelevant to your life a decade later."

This is probably the most accurate description of Facebook I've seen.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by ubermonkey on Thursday February 03, 2022 @09:33AM (#30192870)
I'm reminded of a Twitter joke from (according to the WaPo) @KevinFarzad:

"HEY IT'S ME your facebook friend from high school who never left our hometown & thinks Olive Garden is fancy. Anyway, here's a racist article."

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by bko on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:11PM (#30195184)
How is that a joke? It's just looking down on someone because of where they live, eat and their politics (assuming very lose definition of "racist"). And when did the role of journalists start including dunking on random people?
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by ubermonkey on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:50PM (#30195864)
You seem fun.

It's funny because it's something many, many people identify with. A good chunk of Americans with the ability to do so leave small, provincial areas they grew up in for better opportunities in larger, more diverse cities. This leads to a pretty huge disconnect between them and those who, for whatever reason, stayed in their hometown.

It wasn't something that you noticed as much until Facebook exploded, and then everyone got re-connected with people from high school that, in some cases, you'd neither seen nor thought about in 20 years. And then the sort of post that prompted the joke happens, and you see it clearly.

And I assure you, as someone who grew up in and later left arguably the MOST racist state in the US south, the articles these archetypes are sharing are often quite explicit in their racism.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by bko on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:06PM (#30196129)
Many people just want a normal life around family and friends and what they're familiar with. Having family around in particular is especially important when you have children or when your parents are approaching their end of life. Children get sick and having a relative around to help watch them is essential.

Many don't optimize their life their lives around "better opportunities" and "diverse cities". It sounds like you do, and good for you.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by ubermonkey on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:26PM (#30197444)
I hesitate to respond to you again because I think you've dug your heels in here on finding the joke troublesome, but:

You DO realize that it's not at the expense of MERELY staying in a small, provincial, homogeneous place, right? It's ALSO continuing to embrace the blinkered worldview that growing up in such a place engenders. You need both for the joke to land.

You're reacting here as thought it's JUST about moving away (or not). It isn't.

I know educated, open-minded people who stayed in my hometown who have grown personally and intellectually and morally since youth. They stayed there for a handful of reasons, and some of them are as you state: an inability or unwillingness to be more than an hour from family, for example.

But I know of far more people who have not advanced in any meaningful way since they were 18 or 20. They often find the VERY IDEA of a world beyond the hometown to be fishy and untrustworthy. They are, uniformly, uncritical consumers of Fox News. They are the ones posting racist memes about, say, the Obamas, or proudly touting their COVID vax refusenik status.

This is who the joke is about.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by RustyConsul on Thursday February 03, 2022 @05:56PM (#30200249)
lol - thanks for this. Only on HN can you start with a joke and end with this.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by ubermonkey on Friday February 04, 2022 @08:35AM (#30206576)
Yeah, it's tedious.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by Charlie_26 on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:01AM (#30204847)
Solid explanation, but I think anyone can be forgiven for taking that tweet at face value and finding it disrespectful to small town people (good or bad) .
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by jcon321 on Friday February 04, 2022 @08:37AM (#30206593)
wish I could report or downvote this
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by shrimp_emoji on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:42PM (#30211101)
Reader, please take a moment to reflect on how hilarious this message is.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by ubermonkey on Friday February 04, 2022 @12:30PM (#30209796)
Why?
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Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by ubermonkey on Friday February 04, 2022 @08:36AM (#30206585)
Is your contention that there are no uncritical consumers of Fox News? If so, I have a huge swath of family in Mississippi I should introduce you to.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by tekknik on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:48AM (#30209225)
Um no. Tell me, what the point of that statement is other than to be a bigot and spreading hate? Could it have been left out, and less hate spread because of it, without changing the context they provided? So you see, it’s just there to spread hate.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by rmah on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:30PM (#30196519)
KevinFarzad is not a journalist. WaPo was just reporting on such jokes.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by dgellow on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:15PM (#30195268)
Journalist are normal people. Normal people write shitposts on Twitter. Presidents and CEOs can shitposts on Twitter but journalists cannot? What a weird assumption.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by bko on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:23PM (#30195401)
Showing contempt for huge swaths of people doesn't really bode well for objectivity. It's in poor taste for anyone to just dunk on people who stay near their homes and eat at olive garden. Sure, journalists CAN shit post, and obviously they do. I guess I assume journalists that cover news for presumably everyone wouldn't have such open contempt for so many people. But hey, that's just me.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by ubermonkey on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:20PM (#30196354)
I just realized you're basing your ire here on a misread of my post.

The joke is not from a journalist.

The joke was copied widely when originally posted, and it wasn't clear to me who wrote it in the first place -- but if I was going to reference it here, I wanted to give proper credit.

I found a story in the WaPo about online joke plagiarism, and it used this joke as an example -- and cited musician Kevin Farzad as the original author. Based on this, I credited him in my comment accordingly.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by xdavidliu on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:08PM (#30197146)
I misread your post in exactly the same way and thought the joke was made by a journalist.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by browningstreet on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:11PM (#30196220)
They’re not dunking on people who stay near home and eat at Olive Garden.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by meekmind on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:27PM (#30196465)
It's different because I identify and agree with the virtue signaling of holier-than-thou social climbers who claim to do journalism. Their views represent mine, and since I am mostly without purpose or depth, I don't make petty distinctions about the definition of journalism: I only want them to validate my position that everyone I do not like is <insert adjective here> and incapable of critical thinking. The irony of this position is totally lost on me.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by tamaharbor on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:38PM (#30198461)
What’s the matter with Olive Garden?
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by r00fus on Thursday February 03, 2022 @04:00PM (#30198767)
Joke is thinking OG is somehow fancy digs.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by meowtimemania on Friday February 04, 2022 @04:18AM (#30204558)
It is fancy to a lot of people. I think the parent tweet is funny, but no need to dunk on people that don’t have a lot of money.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by jsnodlin on Thursday February 03, 2022 @07:13PM (#30200957)
I wonder where that comes from. Do they pre-prepare their food and microwave it?
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by zamadatix on Thursday February 03, 2022 @10:24PM (#30202445)
It's one of the cheapest casual dining restaurants that provide table service but avoids being fast casual dining and still tries to avoid a cheap look. Basically if eating out in general is a luxury due to cost then to you an Olive Garden or an Applebees type place is where you go to have your celebratory types of dinners because either your small town doesn't have much more to go to and/or your income doesn't really let you go spend on 1 12oz steak what could cover the entire meal for a small group at Olive Garden.

Of course there is nothing wrong with thinking OG is fancy and so on. Better to avoid folks who make a big deal out of it IMO.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by effthisis on Friday February 04, 2022 @09:49AM (#30207411)
It's a cheap, sly way to make an anti-White dig.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by circa on Thursday February 03, 2022 @09:55AM (#30193181)
lol classic
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by fooperdupes on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:17AM (#30194312)
lol classist
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by monocasa on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:32PM (#30197555)
Not really. A lot of my high school friends in that boat are upper class. One is the new district attorney of my hometown for instance. Another is a regulelar contributer to fox news.

The stereotype is orthogonal to class.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by fullshark on Thursday February 03, 2022 @03:53PM (#30198659)
“Thinks Olive Garden is fancy” is clearly a pejorative class signal
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by monocasa on Thursday February 03, 2022 @04:22PM (#30199090)
In my experience it says more about if you've left your little town for a relatively significant period of time than class. I know train kids with more exposure to the world than that, and as I said above district attorneys and national news contributors who have no interest in anything outside the commercial zone of their suburb.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by shrimp_emoji on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:45PM (#30211142)
> train kids

Is this a slur for my kind?

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by monocasa on Friday February 04, 2022 @02:07PM (#30211417)
It's a term for teenagers and young adults that left the small town they were from by literally jumping on to a moving cargo train.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by catach on Thursday February 03, 2022 @10:08PM (#30202344)
I suspect what may be tripping people up in this kind of discussion is that financial class and social class can be distinct from each other.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by markvdb on Friday February 04, 2022 @03:53AM (#30204383)
Spot on observation.

Classical guitar teacher here. I'd never have been able to buy the house I'm writing this from on my salary if not for also prostituting myself in the it sector :-)

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by monocasa on Friday February 04, 2022 @05:06PM (#30213995)
I've found that social class in non urban environments is orthogonal to taste.

District attorneys don't necessarily get paid well, but they are pretty high up in local social class.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by dionidium on Thursday February 03, 2022 @11:41AM (#30194706)
This probably sounds like a real zinger to a certain kind of young person who moved to Brooklyn and thinks everybody back home is a total loser, but this is not the modal Facebook user, so I'm not sure it matters much.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by uncomputation on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:03PM (#30195049)
You’re trying to characterize OP as a condescending out of touch hipster, but in my opinion your characterization of the “modal” Facebook user is actually more so. The “modal” Facebook user is equally capable of being dissatisfied with the product as your 2013 hipster caricature is because FB has failed to deliver on its mission. The social side is boring and doesn’t generate as much engagement because it turns out your friends from high school truly are not relevant to your life, yes even the “modal” Facebook user is capable of change and evolution; and the content side leaves users feeling angry, divided, and exhausted after the hundredth flame war they find themselves embroiled in over the political upset of the day. It does matter.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by jamal-kumar on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:00PM (#30210251)
"2013 hipster caricature"

"largely irrelevant to your life a decade later."

hey, 2013 was about a decade ago, you nailed it

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by drewwwwww on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:56PM (#30195963)
i mean you can easily write the obverse joke and it has the same overall point - “hey, it’s me, your friend from high school that moved to brooklyn and got a tattoo and thinks he’s better than you. here’s an article about how big yogurt’s assumption you can use a spoon is Ableist” still underscores the fact that facebook is a pipeline to deliver brain poison.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by kwertyoowiyop on Friday February 04, 2022 @09:56AM (#30207502)
Both jokes made me laugh and wouldn’t it be great if everyone could just CHILL?
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by nopenopenopeno on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:55PM (#30196899)
You are making a different point, though.

The original argument was that Facebook is failing to keep up with the times, hence why the back-home losers are still using it while you, the successful urban-dweller, have moved on.

Your argument that Facebook is “a pipeline to deliver brain poison” has a lot more value, even if only because it’s more objective.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by wegs on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:53PM (#30195913)
I won't argue whether it's accurate, but I think you missed the point. You can swap words around, and get the same for any demographic.

The friend's perception of the poster would be "HEY IT'S ME your facebook friend from high school who went to New York and thinks is better than you. Anyway, here's a woke article."

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by nopenopenopeno on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:05PM (#30197095)
But that wouldn’t support their argument that FB is failing to keep up with the times.

I think it matters largely because I don’t believe that most people just want content. Everyone I speak with who uses FB on a daily basis has made the decision to excuse the habit purely because they are interested in keeping in touch with people. But by excusing that habit, they end up mostly consuming content because that’s what the feed gives them.

I left FB the day their “timeline” stopped supporting chronological sort.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by JohnHaugeland on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:02AM (#30208527)
> this is not the modal Facebook user

the increasing hew and cry suggests that it actually is

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by RC_ITR on Thursday February 03, 2022 @02:08PM (#30197151)
Well, it was always kind of doomed in this way.

When everyone is still actively building their friend list (remember this started for college students) its an amazing product because it brings you closer to people in a new way and allows for curation without investing a ton into AI/ML.

For people who stay in a static social bubbles for long times (e.g., your parents, your friends from HS who didn't move to a coastal city) it's also perfect, because they tend to value content related to their social group more than something new and interesting.

But for the highest value users (e.g., the ones with high-paying knowledge-based jobs and a willingness to try new things) the social graph will never keep up with their lives. Bad content from the edges of the graph will slowly creep into feeds (MLMs being a prime example) and those high-value users will seek out new platforms that conform better to their interests.

Instagram was a brilliant stop-gap, but Mark never saw the writing on the wall about algorithmic content (probably b/c Bytedance had the advantage of cutting its teeth in China first) and is just too far behind to ever really catch up.

So now he's trying to out-future Bytedance with VR (and even got them to burn $1bn on Pico), but unless he has some hard-tech rabbit to pull out of his hat, there's just not anything there.

We may very well be seeing the largest (negative) turn-around story in history since Yahoo! play out in front of our eyes.

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by kwertyoowiyop on Friday February 04, 2022 @10:00AM (#30207555)
When do the desperate acquisitions start?
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by RC_ITR on Friday February 04, 2022 @11:43AM (#30209153)
https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/26/facebook-buys-the-vr-studi...

They already have, and if the US Government would allow them to make another acquisition over $1bn, they already would have (I guarantee 5 different Biz Dev associates have made very long PowerPoints about Roblox and Rec Room only to be told the idea is DOA).

It's actually kind of amazing that Mark's off-putting personality and desire to remain the face of the company is what will kill it (let's just hope Aaron Sorkin stays alive long enough for the sequel, because it might rival Citizen Kane).

Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by hoffspot on Thursday February 03, 2022 @09:32AM (#30192864)
It's really a perfect assessment. I couldn't articulate why exactly Facebook felt like I was purely wasting time each time I engaged with the experience (few times a year). This description completely crystallizes my thinking.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by stevofolife on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:06PM (#30215386)
Actually it’s not. Your early life social group becoming irrelevant to your life a decade later is NOT representative at all. What is accurate to say is the OP is not connecting with his old friends anymore. But let’s be real here, not everyone’s like that. Facebook is just a tool to connect with people. Attributing and expecting Facebook to make your friendships more relevant and meaningful is foolish and hopeless.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by mathattack on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:39PM (#30196655)
Yes. There are some social groups that still use it (“no practice today”) but the novelty has gone and the youngsters have moved on. If the value of the graph increases exponentially with users, each user leaving causes a disproportionate value drop.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by earthboundkid on Thursday February 03, 2022 @12:57PM (#30196000)
A girl I thought was cute in college was totally convinced T***** would retain the Presidency on 1/6, so I guess it was useful as a sign something was going to happen.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by AzzieElbab on Thursday February 03, 2022 @01:10PM (#30196184)
I haven’t seen anyone voledermord trump b4
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by Macha on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:36AM (#30206011)
Just a couple of late night US talk shows, including the most viewed one, have done this.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by earthboundkid on Thursday February 03, 2022 @08:18PM (#30201568)
Really? I’ve been doing it continuously since mid-2016, and I don’t think I’m alone.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by tekknik on Friday February 04, 2022 @07:14AM (#30205813)
Do you think if you say his name 3 times he’ll appear?
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by AzzieElbab on Friday February 04, 2022 @12:33AM (#30203255)
why?
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by synthos on Friday February 04, 2022 @10:01AM (#30207558)
He probably wants to avoid having a discussion with trolls and astroturfing 42 supporters who have trouble filling in blanks.
Re:Facebook loses users for the first time by Case81 on Friday February 04, 2022 @01:07PM (#30210350)
And you’re saying the supporters almost all share this particular characteristic that makes them incapable of filling those blanks. Well…it makes sense.