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Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by supernova87a on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:03PM (#29833220)
Forget truffles -- I want someone to grow some matsutake mushrooms which are just about as legendary/rare as truffles, so I can finally taste some and see what all the hype is about.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by pfooti on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:27PM (#29834835)
Matsutake are delicious. You can get them online in october-november usually if you look around. I've gotten them from www.oregonmushrooms.com. Not cheap online; the dried version are also pretty good, but not as much.

I personally wouldn't pay ridiculous prices for them, but as I live in the SF bay area I keep an eye out when they're in season and you can usually buy them for $20 a pound or so (and a pound is a lot of mushrooms). trim off the dirt, slice them, sautee them in a little fat with onion and garlic, add in some soy sauce, white wine, maybe chicken stock, maybe strips of chicken.

The main thing with matsutake is, like truffles, they have not really been domesticated. You have to forage for them.

There's all sorts of interesting things about mushrooms- the mycelium ends up connecting multiple trees together, and they act in symbiotic relationship to each other, in terms of exchanging minerals and nutrients (which is apparently why they haven't been domesticated yet).

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by supernova87a on Friday January 07, 2022 @01:58AM (#29835922)
Posting this under a top comment --

This video is pretty interesting about Japanese mushrooms in general, and has an segment on matsutake mushrooms in particular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZujODgOqCI

(the Japanlology series is pretty entertaining / informative too -- it has lots of episodes and there's always a touching / memorable story at the end of each)

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by Xcelerate on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:59PM (#29833770)
If you’re in the Bay Area, Nijiya carries them. I think either Rainbow Grocery or Far West Fungi has them occasionally too. They definitely take like a combination of red hots and wet socks, but I like the flavor.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by jelliclesfarm on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:49PM (#29835034)
You can’t mess with them too much. The trick is to trap the aroma. Leeks sautéed in butter with lemon thyme(optional)..deglaze with a nice white wine..high heat..toss thinly sliced matsutake. The recipe I know calls for clams..throw in the clams and close w/lid. They will open and release juices. Squeeze of lemon and use crusty baguette to sop the juices.

Japanese preparations are with rice or like a consommé. You can also fusion it with Lemongrass etc…but because they are seasonal and expensive, why ruin the pure flavour. They are also known as pine mushrooms..so the aroma is kinda piney/forest floor and cinnamon chai’ish. Mushroom cravings now!

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by tormeh on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:32PM (#29833504)
The hype is never about much. Exclusive things are exclusive because they are rare, not because they are good.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by reillyse on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:31PM (#29834037)
Absolutely incorrect. There are lots of rare things. Rarity by itself is nothing. Something good being rare is something. It might not be the best thing in the world, and something perfectly commonplace might be "better" than it. But rarity + good is the combo that generates hype.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by noah_buddy on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:48PM (#29834158)
Rarity + good !> Common + good.

In fact, if you don't care for the social prestige, common and good things are better because they're more easily accessible at better prices.

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by s1artibartfast on Friday January 07, 2022 @02:35AM (#29836163)
That is only true if you as an individual don't place value on variety and novelty in one's food.

It isn't true for everyone, but I enjoy good foods I rarely consume more.

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by noah_buddy on Friday January 07, 2022 @03:13PM (#29844123)
I disagree that you can't value variety and novelty while being thrifty. There are a lifetime of recipes using very common ingredients in completely different ways. I would accept that one major part is differing spices which are relatively rare and expensive (at least, if you're trying to emulate a variety of non-Western cuisines and you're in the US).
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by s1artibartfast on Friday January 07, 2022 @04:57PM (#29845387)
I think we are both getting a little away from the original topic of what generates "hype" or in other words "excitement"

Take steak (common) and lobster (rarer)

Both are good, and I would rather live in a world without lobster than one without steak. That said, if you asked me what which I wanted for my next meal, I would pick lobster.

This doesn't mean you can't eat good food with variety on a thrifty budget. But even someone doing so might be especially excited to have something expensive that they don't normally have access to.

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by xeromal on Friday January 07, 2022 @12:48AM (#29835456)
Like those rare supreme clothes and stickers that are always hyped. Top-tier quality.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by acchow on Friday January 07, 2022 @12:00AM (#29835145)
Have you tried fresh white truffle in Italy?
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by tluyben2 on Friday January 07, 2022 @02:57AM (#29836312)
Yes, and it is nice; worth a taste if you run into it. Overrated imho for the price but nice a few times per lifetime. Make sure though you don't get it in hip, millionaire folk restaurants (which usually have reviews which are not about the food but more about the ambiance and such); in my experience, they put way too much of expensive DOP products (including white & black truffle) on things so people can post pics on twitter 'this is $4k/kilo white truffle'. A plate of pasta where you only see a mountain of white truffle is expensive but not very nice imho (unless you take of most off the truffle). In normal Italian restaurants where they serve this they would put a few slivers so you have a nice subtle dish.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by magneticnorth on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:00PM (#29833780)
These grow wild all over the pacific northwest!

In October/November in the pacific northwest you can buy them at asian markets (though they're pricy) or find them in dishes at many japanese restaurants.

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by chasil on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:16PM (#29833916)
We know from the past what is possible.

"Thousands of truffle-producing trees were planted, and production reached peaks of hundreds of tonnes at the end of the 19th century. In 1890, 75,000 hectares (190,000 acres) of truffle-producing trees had been planted."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle#Cultivation

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by tsimionescu on Friday January 07, 2022 @02:10AM (#29836002)
I parent meant that matsutake grow wild in North America, not truffles.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by dustintrex on Thursday January 06, 2022 @09:47PM (#29834152)
Matsutake are prized for their odor, not their taste, and to the non-cognoscenti they smell like urine.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by vintermann on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:28AM (#29837860)
Lots of mushrooms smell worse than they taste (cooked). I found some Lactifluus Volemus last year. It tastes great, but it gives your fingers a smell that's somewhere between musk and old fish.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by danielyaa5 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:09PM (#29834341)
Catnip smells like cat urine to cats and they love it
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by guerrilla on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:22PM (#29834433)
How would anyone know what anything smells like to a cat?
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by sithadmin on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:23PM (#29834446)
Ask a cat?
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by unixhero on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:11PM (#29834726)
Act catty in the weekends?
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by thefringthing on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:43PM (#29834974)
What is it like to be a bat?
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by guerrilla on Friday January 07, 2022 @06:54PM (#29846695)
It doesn't look like many people caught your reference [1]

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Is_It_Like_to_Be_a_Bat%3F

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by anovikov on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:28PM (#29834842)
So are truffles, whole point of them is the smell.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by dustintrex on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:48PM (#29835026)
Uhh, no? They have a strong taste as well.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by jelliclesfarm on Thursday January 06, 2022 @11:55PM (#29835094)
Only black truffles. White truffles..the alba variety (more expensive) is shaved and can be had raw. You can cook black truffles.

Some 10+ years ago, I scrimped and saved and bought white truffles for something like 400 quid in London. I had only omelettes and pasta and risottos for days and I stretched it and stretched it. I didn’t want to try anything else fancy..just a blank slate to imbibe the aroma of white truffles. A Hungarian Tokay and a very pungent raw Camembert. I could only afford McDonalds soft serve and fries for a week after that but it was totally worth it.

As I am typing this..and I am obviously imagining it..I can almost smell it ..it’s like the aroma of those meals are still clinging to the inside of my nasal passages.

I used to work Michelin kitchens…and classical recipes were always revered..but there was always someone who’d want roast chicken with black truffle slices under the skin. A tame version of the original..roast chicken inside a pig’s bladder. I have had many humiliating experiences including shaving a piglet with a razor in a bathtub(not to mention Glorious 12th shenanigans which were probably not legal..who knows) , but never have done the bladder balloon bag for truffle chicken.

Others can be simple and not fancy at all. Or a consommé with black truffles in it and a puff pastry dome so a plume of truffle steam hits them when they break the dome. These are text book recipes..old fashioned escoffier stuff, but there will always be someone who will wax lyrical about them.. I wonder which generation will lose the nostalgia of it all.

When I came back to the states, I had a few usual suspects under my sleeve that I repeat again and again. The most popular one was seven hour gigot d’Agneau with robuchon pomme purée and a cream of garlic soup. The Americans refused the lamb because it was falling off the bone(that was the point) and suspicious because it was ‘still pink’. And insisted on truffles in the pomme purée even though none was available and I only had fake truffle oil at hand. That was the last meal I cooked and I stopped cooking meat all together. There is something about America that can’t get past beyond a well made burger. It’s very insulting to my craft. It makes me very sad because I love to feed people..but I also realized that I love feeding people only because they loved me.

Sorry..went off on a tangent and then down the mushroom path.

Fwiw re the OP, I think I know that Sonoma farm…I remember when they planted and many were skeptical. they planted in a hazelnut orchard. It’s the most suitable one for California. It’s not worth planting new growth oaks as they are protected under state law and can’t be felled if need arises. Further..oak disease is ravaging California..sudden oak death is clearing off old growth oaks. It’s all very depressing. But I am very happy that there are truffles in our own CA backyard. They use dogs now to dig them up instead of pigs, I heard…because pigs will gobble up everything. Thousands of dollars worth of truffles in one snort.

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by tudelo on Friday January 07, 2022 @02:33AM (#29836141)
Jesus. I lived in NYC and white truffles at the right time were no where near as expensive. I can't believe they felt worth it.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by jelliclesfarm on Friday January 07, 2022 @11:10AM (#29840785)
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2018/11/26/why-truffles-are-so-expe... : Italian white truffles … $85,000 for 2 lbs.. two years ago when there was a short supply.

Seems like it’s around 10,000 euros/lb now. When I bought it..it was probably 2200-2500 euros per pound. That was almost a decade ago!

To me, after the Italian white truffle experience, black truffles are not worth it anymore. I just want to preserve that one special memory(of many meals) untainted!

Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by bobthepanda on Friday January 07, 2022 @12:02AM (#29835154)
Aroma is a pretty big factor in taste, though.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by t3e on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:31PM (#29833499)
You can forage for those on the Oregon coast! I was just given some by a friend and they're tasty; had never had them before. But they do smell a bit like gym socks.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by pc86 on Thursday January 06, 2022 @08:43PM (#29833625)
They are mushrooms after all :)
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by likethisbook on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:53PM (#29834613)
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by krrrh on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:28PM (#29834469)
As others have noted they are widespread in the PNW and BC. Bought some at a mushroom festival a couple of months back, and got the advice to eat then raw with a bit of olive oil and salt. Pretty good, but you probably need an umami-soaked Japanese palate to truly appreciate them.
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by sershe on Friday January 07, 2022 @09:00AM (#29839154)
You can collect them in the wild, at least in the mountains around Seattle. We found a bunch at some point... frankly I think they are overrated. What they really need to grow are king boletes ;)
Re:Sonoma County farm strikes black truffle gold after 9 yea... by benatkin on Friday January 07, 2022 @12:35AM (#29835376)
I like how they needed a dog to find the truffle. If that isn't the case with matsutake mushrooms, I'm going with the truffles.