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Re: by sterlind on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @05:59PM (#29816393)
> after evading arrest for two months with the assistance of Github management

this is quite damning if so. where did you hear of this?

Re: by _o68p on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:06PM (#29816479)
I told Github management about the warrant.

They did not report his location to the authorities and allowed him to work across state lines without any changes to his employment agreement.

I later asked Github HR what their policy on domestic violene is. This is what they sent.

"Microsoft is committed to working with employees who are victims of domestic violence to prevent abuse from occurring in the workplace. Employees who are concerned about violence occurring in the workplace should immediately discuss their concerns with the Human Resources (HR) manager assigned to their group. The Microsoft Global Security group can provide guidelines and suggestions for increasing your safety in the workplace.

Employees who are experiencing domestic violence outside of work are encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares. Microsoft Cares provides information regarding counseling and treatment resources. Perpetrators of domestic violence are also encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares.

In some situations, employees may be eligible for time off work or other accommodation to manage medical issues and other negative consequences arising from domestic violence. Contact Benefits for more information."

They officially accommodate "perpetrators of domestic violence" as Microsoft-owned Github.

Re: by wizzwizz4 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:16PM (#29816593)
> They officially accommodate "perpetrators of domestic violence" as Microsoft-owned Github.

In fairness, they do need procedures to accommodate such people. Your other employment-related rights don't end just because you've done bad stuff, and you need to treat perpetrators of domestic violence differently to ordinary employees (e.g. being really suspicious of them).

I like bashing Microsoft as much as the next person, but I doubt this situation had much to do with Microsoft's domestic violence policies.

Re: by sterlind on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:51PM (#29817007)
but it's not that he just did "bad stuff," it's that he's a fugitive from an outstanding warrant. legally I'm curious if MS would be liable for helping him stay employed as he evaded arrest.
Re: by betsydupuis on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @07:29PM (#29817393)
In Texas, yes they are, but it's something that's rarely prosecuted.
Re: by mwint on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:10PM (#29816518)
The Cares program is kind of the catch-all “I have a weird non-work issue I want help with”. You could ask HR/management what to do if you were under siege by zombie geese with chainsaws; they’d say to contact Cares.

I’m guessing if this guy actually contacted Cares, they’d be more likely to help him turn himself in without violence, than to arrange a getaway to Cuba.

Re: by microtherion on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @08:32PM (#29817936)
What these programs (I don't know about the Microsoft one specifically) also can do in this situation is refer employees to criminal lawyers (which are still paid by the employee).

[I used such a referral once with a different employer to assist a family member in a legal matter (not involving interpersonal violence)].

Re: by scarby2 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:19PM (#29816633)
> They officially accommodate "perpetrators of domestic violence" as Microsoft-owned Github.

To take action against someone based on an unproven accusation of conduct outside of the workplace seems like the perfect way to get you sued. I'm sure if convicted he will become persona non grata. But until that point he should be entitled to the presumption of innocence.

Re: by betsydupuis on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:30PM (#29816769)
Nope, perfectly legal to fire someone for an arrest in Texas where he resides.
Re: by tomp on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:22PM (#29816663)
I don't understand why we expect private companies/hospitals/universities do the job of the police/courts.

The justice system is complex for a reason (oversight, transparency, accountability, fairness, etc. - or at least that's the goal, however bad they are at achieving it, unaccountable private institutions will be even worse).

Re: by betsydupuis on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @07:30PM (#29817403)
Because it is a danger to women to have to work with someone that even allegedly committed violence against women.
Re: by atty on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:47PM (#29818570)
No, it’s only a danger if that person actually commits violence. Let’s not advocate for punishing people based on hearsay. I like to think we have enough examples of that backfiring spectacularly throughout history to have learned our lesson by now.
Re: by betsydupuis on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:06PM (#29819243)
No, it's a danger because a person that commits violence against women is engaging in misogynistic behavior and can't be trusted to treat female subordinates and colleagues fairly.

Furthermore, Alex was reported to Github HR by multiple people for verbal abuse and nothing was done about it under Nat Friedman's leadership.

Re: by atty on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @11:56PM (#29819594)
To be clear I’m not defending Alex in any way. I think it’s quite clear he should lose his job and probably be in jail, depending on the outcome of the evidence collection and eventual trial, of course.

I was saying the blanket statement than the mere presence of any allegations of any form are enough to indicate a high probability of guilt, and we should therefore enforce punishment on an individual is dangerous. Historically, this sort of attitude has led to a lot of injustice. Black men being put in jail for crimes they never committed on the word of a white woman who was embarrassed to be caught in an affair, for instance. Taken to the extreme, it leads to things like witch hunts.

Re: by gookgette on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:25AM (#29820142)
[name redacted] has been on a witch hunt for Alex for 3 years. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Alex did not love her back. Alex did not strangle me. The police grossly exaggerated and misconstrued what occurred. It was a mistake to call the police. They just want to collect fines and fill their own pockets. They lied to me and I had to file a report on the police themselves. Who protects us from the police? sigh. This has become such a mess.
Re: by betsydupuis on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:26AM (#29820840)
2 years ago.
Re: by gookgette on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:33AM (#29821315)
2 years is a long time to be obsessed with an ex
Re: by betsydupuis on Thursday January 06, 2022 @10:58AM (#29825178)
It takes a long time to recover from abuse and assault.
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Re: by gookgette on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:34AM (#29820175)
lol you love injecting all these hot topics and hashtags to gain support regarding other known men who who are truly evil. Alex is not anything like Harvey Weinstein or Jeffery Epstein, who trafficked women and used their money to promise them celebrity status and riches. What did Alex promise you to make this comparison, I wonder? He certainly didn't promise or bribe me with anything. From the texts i saw, you bribed him for sex to make him stay with you. You couldn't let him go, and you still can't. You were madly in love with him, and you still are deep down.
Re: by betsydupuis on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:13AM (#29820750)
Yeah, Alex promised me a lot of stuff. A big house, that I repeatedly said I didn't want, kids, connections.

A lot of that same stuff got turned into threats eventually.

Re: by betsydupuis on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:11AM (#29820744)
Alex requested the sex. He specifically reached out to ask me to have sex with him.
Re: by gookgette on Thursday January 06, 2022 @04:34AM (#29821327)
Sex is a two-way street. I saw the text where you agreed to a purely sex-based relationship. At that point Alex no longer wanted you, and he made it clear to you. You must’ve seen a sex-based relationship as a way to keep him in your life.

I read the entire string of messages. You pulled inflammatory things out of context to DAMN him, and posted it all over twitter, etc. Who does that? What does that say about you to post negative gossip about someone from a private intimate relationship ? Do you ever ask yourself why you’re posting malicious things about someone? Is it justice you seek? It almost sounds like a HUMBLE BRAG to get attention, like “oh I’m hot stuff bc I dated the Hackpad founder?” If Alex wasn’t famous, would you still post this stuff? I don’t think so.

And do you really think you’re doing justice by posting about some fight you guys had on twitter out of context? Who are you saving from alleged abuse? Someone who googles you or Alex like a stalker the way you do?

And ask yourself why it’s still 2 years and you’re still suffering and obsessed? You clearly need some intervention, love. Please focus on forgiveness, healing, and loving others and yourself

Re: by tomp on Thursday January 06, 2022 @12:53AM (#29819970)
You keep moving the goalposts of your argument.

Allegedly misogynistic != actually misogynistic, and I’d personally not want Microsoft to be the arbiter of truth.

Also, it’s just wrong and immoral. If the allegations are true, him losing his job is to small of a punishment; if they’re false, it’s too big of a punishment.

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Re: by tomp on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:40AM (#29820198)
> Does that mean that Cosby is innocent and should be restored?

If he’s innocent (i.e. “not guilty”), yes.

It’s funny how people are all about “restorative justice” and “rehabilitating criminals after they serve their sentences” except, you know, when it comes to actually doing it.

Re: by gookgette on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:21AM (#29820118)
You make an overarching, assumptive statement, dear. I've knows Alex for years longer than you have, and he certainly does not treat women any differently than men, nor his subordinates differently than his superiors. Please stop defaming him and his friends by association.
Re: by betsydupuis on Thursday January 06, 2022 @03:16AM (#29820765)
There's literally another random person I've never even talked to on this thread saying that he had troubling relationships.

I've spoken to many people that say the same thing.

Re: by Mandatum on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:13PM (#29816556)
Microsoft Cares?

I think this confirms we're in some sort of inter-terrestrial waking-nightmare Office Space alternative universe variety show.

Re: by toomuchtodo on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:16PM (#29816588)
Many large enterprises have this sort of catch all employee support program.
Re: by kazinator on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:28PM (#29818387)
> Perpetrators of domestic violence are also encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares

That is a somewhat bizarre sentence that should be brought to the editorial attention of whoever wrote that. I don't think it's intended to support some of the kinds of interpretations that imagination might assign to it.

Re: by sterlind on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:45PM (#29816950)
> Perpetrators of domestic violence are also encouraged to seek assistance from Microsoft Cares.

definitely not what I expected to read, that's... huh.

I'd expect MS would divulge his IP address from VPN logs if served by a warrant, to locate the fugitive. I wonder if this happened, and if not, what legal responsibilities or liabilities MS has to help or hinder outside warrant compliance, when the victim isn't an employee but the perp is.

(I work for MS but not GitHub, I had no idea about any of this.)

Re: by betsydupuis on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:23AM (#29820127)
That's what I would have expected, but they did not do that to my knowledge.
Re: by jeegsy on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:12PM (#29816540)
I told Github management about the warrant

In what capacity? How did you come by your knowledge of the warrant?

Re: by smt88 on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:15PM (#29816575)
> In what capacity? How did you come by your knowledge of the warrant?

Why would this matter at all? It seems like you're casting suspicion on [name redacted], although I can't begin to imagine what there is to be suspicious of.

Re: by jeegsy on Thursday January 06, 2022 @07:05AM (#29822543)
> I can't begin to imagine what there is to be suspicious of.

I can't either

Re: by Mandatum on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:15PM (#29816580)
Publicly in November: [link redacted]
Re: by phkahler on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @06:53PM (#29817016)
Because HR, Legal, and the police all follow her on twitter?

I dont know who the people tagged in the tweet are, but that still seems like a shitty way to report a problem.

Re: by betsydupuis on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @07:02PM (#29817098)
I spoke privately to Github management.
Re: by dragonwriter on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:21PM (#29818326)
> They did not report his location to the authorities

Nonreporting, whether or not one believes it is immoral, isn't the same thing as assistance in evading arrest. The government can conscript citizens into active assistance in enforcing the law, but issuing a warrant doesn't do that.

Nonreporting is legal, assistance is a crime (“accessory after the fact” is the general term.)

Re: by betsydupuis on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @09:43PM (#29818535)
It's literally a 3rd degree felony in the state of Texas.

Texas Penal Code Sec. 38.05 Hindering Apprehension or Prosecution (a) A person commits an offense if, with intent to hinder the arrest, prosecution, conviction, or punishment of another for an offense or, with intent to hinder the arrest, detention, adjudication, or disposition of a child for engaging in delinquent conduct that violates a penal law of the state, or with intent to hinder the arrest of another under the authority of a warrant or capias, he: (1) harbors or conceals the other; (2) provides or aids in providing the other with any means of avoiding arrest or effecting escape; or (3) warns the other of impending discovery or apprehension.

https://texas.public.law/statutes/tex._penal_code_section_38...

Re: by tptacek on Wednesday January 05, 2022 @10:25PM (#29818948)
I'm sorry about what you went through with this person. This statute requires prosecutors to prove intent on behalf of Microsoft; it also requires active concealment, intentional aid in avoiding arrest, or warning (or "harboring", which would require Microsoft to actually provide physical shelter and concealment). Presumably the arrest warrant you're talking about is public; disclosing the existence of a public document seems unlikely to be prosecutable.

I appreciate the rest of the details you've provided on the thread!

Re: by dragonwriter on Thursday January 06, 2022 @01:35AM (#29820181)
> It's literally a 3rd degree felony in the state of Texas.

No, nonreporting is not. Active concealment/assistance is, and you just quoted a long bit of statute that says exactly that.