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Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by throwaway888abc on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:03AM (#29062890)
"Almost 3 in 4 U.S. adults is overweight or obese."

Curious, Why is that ?

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by pronlover723 on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:36AM (#29063659)
Portions are enormous! Example: Chipotle, a super popular fast food restaurant, average food is like 1300kcal. It's huge and enough food for at least 3 average sized meals in Tokyo. And that's not including the giant soda most people buy.

Go into any supermarket in the USA and you'll see collections of giant cookies. They are easily 4x larger than cookies from the 1950s (or for that matter 2x/3x larger than cookies in many other countries) and they come in packs of 20+, each cookie is at least 400 kcals and people easily eat half the box at a time.

Chips come in giant bags. The average bag of chips in Japan is ~65g. The average bag of chips in the USA is 280g!!!

Cold Stone Creamery (an Ice Cream chain), you can see how big a single portion is in their front page image

https://www.coldstonecreamery.com/assets/webp/slides/2021/ba...

It's also at least 3x the portion I'd get in many parts of the world.

Those types portions have been arounds so long that now pretty much all of the USA takes them for granted. Anything smaller is considered a rip off. The culture is high volume, low price = best.

It's crazy to see all the giant obese people all over the place. Except maybe in SF/NYC, restaurants that served smaller portions would quickly go out of business.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by rsj_hn on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:45AM (#29063699)
This is because labor is much more expensive than food. So the cost of a $15 meal is maybe $5 food. If you make the meal 20% larger and charge 10% more for it, you do it, since then your costs go up by $1 but your revenue goes by $1.50. That process ends up in huge portions as people think they are getting a 20% more value for 20% more food (which they are) and so you may even sell more of the 20% bigger $16.50 meal.

As with anything else, to get smaller meals the food/wage price ratio needs to be larger. Food in America is absurdly cheap compared to most other nations.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by cafard on Monday November 01, 2021 @08:48AM (#29066056)
Upvoted.

A friend of mine likes a local deli. The third or fourth time I joined him there, I remarked that the portions seemed sized for people doing hard physical labor all day--digging ditches or working on a loading dock--but that the clientele didn't seem to be laborers. He remarked that with comfort food, the ingredients are the least part of the cost.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by sp332 on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:28AM (#29063001)
Cheap calories are less nutritious. You know how many servings of ramen noodles you have to eat to get a reasonable amount of vitamin A?

Generally, food isn't designed for nutrition. It's made to be maximally salty or crunchy or cheesy or whatever. This is true even for mid-range packaged items and not just the cheapest ones.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by Aerroon on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:43AM (#29063065)
>Cheap calories are less nutritious.

What difference does that make on the whole? You don't overeat on these foods because you didn't get enough vitamin A. You overeat them because it's delicious or because the portions are wrong or your body doesn't send the signal to stop or because you're depressed or...

I found that I was a lot less likely to overeat when I ate few carbs. Instead, I ate foods mostly rich in protein and fats. But once I went back onto a general carbohydrate-heavy diet, as is common in the modern world, it was very easy to eat too much. (Most of our popular foods seem to contain flour in copious amounts.)

This isn't a silver bullet though. It might've worked for me while I was doing it, but might not work for others.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by bobthepanda on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:30AM (#29063290)
> your body doesn't send the signal to stop

This can be because your body is still missing some nutrition.

> I found that I was a lot less likely to overeat when I ate few carbs.

I think that while high protein and fats is fine, a lot can be said about the type of carb you eat as well. Chips and candy is a lot worse than bread and pasta, which is a lot worse than fibrous and filling carbs like vegetables.

Remember that until fairly recently in human history, meat was very expensive, and so it wasn't necessarily a thing you had for every meal.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by Aerroon on Monday November 01, 2021 @05:38AM (#29064608)
>Remember that until fairly recently in human history, meat was very expensive, and so it wasn't necessarily a thing you had for every meal.

Sure, but plentiful grains are also a fairly new thing. Before agriculture it would've been not that easy to overeat on carbs for every meal.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by Semaphor on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:37AM (#29063327)
> I found that I was a lot less likely to overeat when I ate few carbs.

I’ve been doing Keto (very-low carb, high fat) for 8 years now. For me, it simply helped that I was far more conscious about what I was eating.

But I still overeat when making any kind of Keto-"Pizza"

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by presentation on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:37AM (#29063661)
This fact became really obvious to me as soon as I moved from USA to Japan - I realized that what's considered "delicious" in the USA is really an arms race for how to inject the maximal amount of sugar and fat into all foods, and when I visited the USA again after being here a couple years, eating out at restaurants and tasting that kind of cuisine made me feel grossed out.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by newby on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:18AM (#29063851)
You just reminded me of something that surprised me when I visited the US - sweet foods seem much sweeter than in Europe. One would say that chocolate cake is sweet anywhere, but the american chocolate cake was on another level. It felt so sweet that I could not finish it, after four or five bites I felt so full that I had to stop eating - not full like full stomach but the other kind, when it starts to feel kind of gross instead of delicious. On the other hand, I still remember and miss "Entenman's crumb coffee cake" - store-bought delicacies are usually kind of dry where I live now but that american one was really like something my grandmother would have made. I guess that the perception of sweetness is one of those things that you get used to and need more to get the same level of stimulation. The US might be just further down that road.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by devchix on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:22PM (#29068898)
I'm a proficient home cook and baker, on occasion I bring baked goods to work. Invariably, people tell me this thing that I've brought is Delicious! Because it's not TOO sweet! There's a weird disconnect between the commercial manufacturer and the consumer, there's no signalling mechanism; since all manufacturers ratchet up the sugar in everything, consumers don't have a valid choice for something less sweet. The "reduced" label -- I frequently see "reduced salt" or "30% less sodium" on things like bacon, canned beans. The "reduced sugar" I typically see on Weight Watcher or "diet" products. The normal stuff is tooth-achingly sweet, and covered with additional sugar drizzle or sprinkles. People (and even sadder, little kids) are now conditioned to respond to these ridiculous excess with delight, as if it were a special reward.

A while ago I went one month without any added sugar, I cut out dried fruits and reduced fruit intake. On the weekends I allowed myself one tablespoon of fruit jam. After the first week, the jam tasted incredibly sweet, but delicious. When I went back to normal eating, everything tasted incredibly sweet to me, and I thought two tablespoons of jam was unnecessary, and that was just one month!

We just celebrated Halloween here in the US. I think it was more special when cane sugar was more scarce and candy was really a special non-daily treat. No kid needs a tenth of the candy haul I see them carry around, and my office is in a glut of candies that were bought by the adults but not given away.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by busymom0 on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:35AM (#29063325)
Not really. I grew up in a third world country and despite poverty, one can eat healthy.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by sp332 on Monday November 01, 2021 @08:42PM (#29075404)
Ok yeah that's a whole different issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert#Urban_food_deserts
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by jpe90 on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:32AM (#29063300)
Culturally, I think choosing to embrace being overweight rather than perceive it as a problem to solve by eating food higher in quality and lower in quantity is a large contributor. People who develop unhealthy food habits and are unwilling to view those habits as unhealthy are going to become increasingly overweight.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by sfink on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:29AM (#29063008)
Diet & car culture would be my first two guesses, but they are only guesses. I'm guessing it's very unevenly distributed.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by Gigachad on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:21AM (#29063240)
Car culture can play in to diet as well. When I was driving to and from work each day, the most tempting options by far were McDonalds and KFC because they had drive thrus which saved time on my way home when my brain was feeling fried.

Then I moved to the middle of the city and I have no commute and many options for food available which are healthier. Since I no longer use a car, these fast food places are less temping.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by kevin_thibedeau on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:57AM (#29063426)
There was car culture in the 70's when everyone wasn't fat. The change is cable television and other inside diversions that weren't available 40 years ago.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by xorfish on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:16AM (#29063535)
Car centric development just got started then and it takes time for humans to grow up.

Most of Europe also has cable television and other inside diversion. However car dependence and obesity is lower.

I find this video here quite enlightening: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUzuRL0uJnw

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by derekp7 on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:42AM (#29063061)
The biggest issue from what I can see is the lack of time / skill / willingness for most people / families to do their own food preparation from base ingredients. So what you end up with is prepackaged or restaurant-served foods, often in serving sizes or nutrition profiles that have excess calories.

When meal preparation is done manually from base ingredients, the calorie count is typically lower for a given level of "fullness" you feel from the food. And since it takes time and effort, the meals are prepared (and consumed) on a set schedule (breakfast, lunch, dinner). Now contrast that to ready made meals and restaurant meals. These typically have more calories than what is required for a serving (or they consists of excess servings), so over-consumption tends to happen due to easy access. And they are made to taste excessively good (because that sells better). Home cooked meals using traditional ingredients taste ok, but aren't the flavor profiles that keep you wanting to consume excess servings.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by presentation on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:42AM (#29063686)
In addition, the total lack of cheap but healthy prepared foods. In the USA, "healthy" = "salad" = "$15 at Sweetgreen" or something. But living here in Japan, despite the cost of groceries being consistently higher than it is in the USA, there's an huge variety of healthy $5-10 meals, as well as healthy, low-calorie/high-protein snacks easily available at any convenience store (that are actually delicious - dried seafood and pickled veggies are a favorite), that simply doesn't exist in most of the USA.

For instance, I just had a grilled fish lunch set meal (teishoku) similar to this one [1] with miso soup (full of veggies), pickles, eggplant and small bowl of rice for $6 today, which based on similar meals at chain stores that publish calorie counts, probably amounts to maybe 600-750 calories with around 30-40 grams of protein. If you're hungry maybe choose a pork cutlet instead for the same price, or add a side dish for $1, or switch to a larger serving of rice for free.

That said, even if those options were available, convincing Americans that "tasty" is not equivalent to "supersaturated with butter and corn syrup" is a difficult proposition...

[1] https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/%E3%82%B...

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by rndgermandude on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:00AM (#29063438)
>The biggest issue from what I can see is the lack of time / skill / willingness for most people / families to do their own food preparation from base ingredients.

You forget one important piece of that puzzle, I think: access to (affordable) base ingredients. From my outsider perspective, having read some articles and seen some activists talk about this, there seems to be a thing in the US they call "food deserts"[0] where in many, mostly not very affluent neighborhoods there simply are no stores left that do sell fresh base ingredients, only "dollar stores" that sell highly processed cheap "food".

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_desert

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by gpapilion on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:34AM (#29063640)
Part of this is true, part of this is not.

Stores carry what is demanded of their customers, and they don’t carry what they can’t sell before it goes bad. The food isn’t there because it’s not consumed, and because you can’t buy it, it’s not consumed. Fresh food is expensive and goes bad, it’s too much risk as a small business to carry if you don’t think you can sell it. That’s the issue you often see.

My second point would be the huge number of ethnic markets in low income areas with a tone of fresh fruits and veggies. When consumed, they are carried.

There is a culture of convenience that pushes people to shelf stable meals. Those are quick, and generally unhealthy.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by angelzen on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:04AM (#29063462)
Even in affluent locales, quality base ingredients are noticeably expensive.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by mjevans on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:39AM (#29063670)
Portion size / spoilage / price per unit are also a huge issue for those who are single. I'd have to eat almost the same thing every day to properly use up most highly perishable (good for me) foods before they spoil.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by rndgermandude on Monday November 01, 2021 @04:04AM (#29064105)
I am single, and I generally do not have much of an issue with that here in Germany. "Loose" fruit and vegetables[0] and "single-sized" packaged stuff[1] is widely available without much of a price difference. I rarely have to throw anything out because it spoiled, and I don't have to eat the same stuff for days on end, either.

Is that really such an issue where you live? Interesting.

[0] "Loose" stuff is usually sold by weight, there are scales in the supermarket where you weigh whatever you intent to buy, so buying small quantities has no surcharge at all.

[1] Smaller packages usually are a little bit more expensive than "family size" ones. But I hardly buy anything perishable in such packages anyway. It's mostly things like noodles or cereal, which if stored correctly, can last for months if need be, so buying a cheaper family-size pack as a single is not an issue for me.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by taeric on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:13AM (#29063200)
I'm going to buck the trend of most responses and say that we don't fully know. Some good obvious guesses, but a very hard field to study, all told.

I say this as someone that was gaining weight while biking twenty miles a day. Easy to chalk it up to previous years over eating. But I don't do most fast food that we love to demonize.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by Gigachad on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:19AM (#29063231)
This is not a well researched opinion, but I would think that diet makes a bigger difference than exercise. Looking at the amount of energy contained in the average food and drink and the amount burned while exercising. A long and difficult exercise session ends up using far less energy than you burned simply living.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by sharken on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:05AM (#29063468)
Absolutely.

When working from home, i managed to lose on the order of 5-6 kg by eating less and skipping the occasional meal.

Now that the office is open again, the weight is slowly creeping upwards. This is due to the rather large plate served in the canteen at work.

To balance that out, my estimate is that the 45 km of biking a week i do, will have to be supplemented with gym visits 2-3 times a week.

With the above it will be possible to get within 4-5 kg of the ideal weight:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_body_weight

So maintaining a healthy weight is not easy without reducing servings and the ideal weight is even harder to achieve.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by tonyedgecombe on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:40AM (#29063678)
One of the problems is we tend to offset exercise with reduced activity elsewhere. It seems the body/mind is really good at balancing these things out. So you might find your extra gym visits don't have the effect you want (although they will have other benefits).
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by taeric on Monday November 01, 2021 @06:17PM (#29073953)
I'm jealous. I bike that much every two days when active, and was still gaining weight. I don't eat sugar foods, as it messes with me. I just eat lots of food.

I tried switching to smaller plates. Doesn't seem to help too much.

I was finding that salads help. Not sure how much, though. I was basically in a starvation diet when it was working well.

That said, counting calories definitely helps better than I want it to.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by ajmurmann on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:25AM (#29063261)
One thing that often gets overlooked is that muscles consume much more calories just for maintenance. So if you build a substantial amount of muscle, your base calorie consumption goes up and even if you don't love a lot on a particular day you burn more calories and gain less weight.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by presentation on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:45AM (#29063700)
Is the effect really that significant? A cursory Google search suggests not. [1] Either way I don't see most Americans getting jacked any time soon.

[1] https://www.latimes.com/health/la-xpm-2011-may-16-la-he-fitn...

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by taeric on Monday November 01, 2021 @06:20PM (#29073990)
Yeah, I'm going to guess it doesn't make a huge difference.

Though, I am sympathetic to the idea that some foods encourage you to be more active. At least, some do the opposite. Eating a full pizza will almost certainly not be followed by anything active.

Oddly, following anything active with eating a pizza seems better.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by riffraff on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:52AM (#29063736)
> even if you don't love a lot

That's a good typo there :)

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by lmm on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:58AM (#29063430)
Having moved internationally fairly recently, I would bet on (culturally-influenced) portion size. It's the dumbest possible explanation, but even so.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by GuardianCaveman on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:19AM (#29063550)
Yes. Crazy to think a lot of places won’t even let you order a small size combo anymore. Their smallest is what I remember a large to be years ago and often I’m upsized and charged for a large unless I opt out and tell them I want a medium. They don’t even ask usually. McDonald’s is the one I’m thinking of though they’re not alone.

Edit also this type of restaurant portion sizes bleeds into me preparing food at home for myself or my family.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by angelzen on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:40AM (#29063344)
Fake. Everything is fake. The polite term is "substitute", there are entire shelves of respectable economic literature on how to deliver fake goods and services to consumers so they don't notice.

* The food supply is fake. Anecdote. Back in the '80s the Eastern Block went through a deep crisis, including a low grade famine. After the communism fell, the food supply improved. One item stood apart: the American frozen chicken. Three times the size of a domestic one, tasting like moist cardboard. Most people would not touch it, unless positively starving. These days, everything is tasteless fake: bread, chicken, milk, eggs, veggies. For somewhat better quality, the prices are at least 2x, possibly quite some more. Good quality produce is nearly impossible to find, the fakes have pushed real farmers into bankruptcy long ago. Even the meager subsistence farmers markets of the Eastern Block of old had noticeably higher quality offerings (caveat: in season).

* Americans don't prepare food at home. The American woman was pushed into the workforce and doesn't have time, energy, will or knowhow of basic homecooking. What, you reminisce of (grand)mother's comfort food? What kind of barbaric misogynist are you? No, men didn't step up to take on the traditional feminine role. Realistically, they will never do. No amount of nagging NYT editorials will change that. The food industry happily filled the void with processed fakes.

* The mass restaurant network delivers fake food. The staples are ground meat & fried potatoes, fake chicken & rice or pasta. Sometimes industrial tofu or shrimp. If you are really "health conscious", there is "gluten free" for you. Sure, there is a dazzling variety of sauces and presentations, but the basis is pauper. You have to search hard for ethnic restaurants to even find a veggie basis, and even then the most popular offering is American Indian, with dubious thick sauces.

* Americans eat way too much sugar. The food industry drops ridiculous amounts of sugar in everything, including savory foods if they get a chance. Anecdote. Coming from a different culture, American sweets literally make me sick. Making sweets at home, using about 1/4 - 1/3 of the American recipe sugar recommendation is about right.

* Americans don't walk. Old World cities are (were?) built in such a way that doing basic life functions require walking. Buying groceries, going to school, going to church, going to see friends, going to work (walk + public transport). Americans drive everywhere, because everything is too far away for walking. With Amazon and Amazon Fresh, even the meager shopping trips are vanishing, which will lead to an extra bump in obesity. Removing the reward for walking mostly removed walking itself. Shaming people for not hitting the gym often enough doesn't work, we are built to pick the path of least resistance.

* American kids don't roam the streets. Something happened and kids simply don't just go out to play with their friends for hours on end. At the minimum the parents must setup activities, playdates & transportation. In practice, this leads to sedentary overweight depressed kids. Let's buy them the latest networked gaming console instead, that will keep them socialized, active, and healthy.

* American culture is increasingly adverse to generating signals for distinguishing healthy and unhealthy. In the name of "inclusivity" we are implicitly promoting deeply unhealthy lifestyles. We are good people and wouldn't want to hurt feelings, right? Right, except that we are depriving our kids of the ability to identify and model healthy behaviors.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by morsch on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:24AM (#29063887)
Cooking increased overall from 2003 to 2016. The percent of college-educated men cooking increased from 37.9% in 2003 to 51.9% in 2016, but men with less than high school education who cook did not change (33.2% in 2016) (p < 0.05). College-educated women who cook increased from 64.7% in 2003 to 68.7% in 2016, while women with less than high school education had no change (72.3% in 2016) (p < 0.05).

So maybe there is hope and evidently educated people care less about sexual identity stereotypes than you think.

https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937...

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by angelzen on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:42AM (#29063974)
Even a minimal familiarity with the American cooking landscape should easily disabuse anyone of the notion that Americans of either gender cook at home. No, "pasta salad", microwaved mac & cheese and the occasional barbecued hamburger is not home cooking.

I grew up in a poor country, with an objectively deprived food supply chain. There were multiple home cooked dishes in the fridge at all times, though, if memory serves right, '88/'89 were rough. Every single social gathering had more 10x tastier and more varied home cooked food than I ever saw in decades of American life. I met exactly one American family that took cooking seriously and placed a noticeable degree of effort in home cooking dinner from raw ingredients, though their results were rather on the high end, not sure they were engaging in the process on a regular basis.

Consider using 1900ish as the comparison point... https://collections.musee-mccord.qc.ca/scripts/explore.php

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by morsch on Monday November 01, 2021 @05:25AM (#29064531)
I have zero real-life exposure with the American cooking landscape, you seem to have some personal familiarity with it; both isn't a great basis for these kinds of societal judgements.

The linked study claims: While the mean per capita time spent cooking increased over time for both men and women, women cooked for a much greater amount of time than did men (50 min/capita/day vs. 20 min/capita/day). Even 20 minutes is a long time for microwaved mac & cheese.

From what you've been observing, it's very different here in Europe, I know a lot of people now who take cooking quite seriously, and I knew a lot of people back in the 90s for whom it was perfunctory. And in fact: The increase in men’s cooking found here mirrors trends in Europe, where research from four Nordic countries found increases from 1997 to 2012 in the percent of men cooking, particularly those from the working and upper classes [28]. Even in 2016, however, US males’ cooking levels were still lower than in the United Kingdom a decade earlier, when a 2005 time use survey showed 60% of men (and 85% of women) in the United Kingdom cooked over one 24-h period [29].

Unfortunately, I don't get a response for the URL you posted, maybe I'm geo-blocked or something.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by angelzen on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:39AM (#29067125)
Ah, the Nordics. What we are seeing is the result of the collapse of the family. First the village church, then the extended family, lately the nuclear family. Of course once people are completely and utterly atomized all gender roles are lost and people pick up some cooking out of necessity. No, it's not healthy.

> According to People in the EU, a new publication from Eurostat, the EU’s statistical office, Denmark boasts by far the highest proportion of single-person households of any country in the European Union, at 45%. Finland, the country with the next highest share, has only 40.8%. In the UK it is 30.6%. In Spain, 23.2%.

> According to figures from Statistics Denmark, the phenomenon of alene-kultur, as the Danes call it, has been on the march for decades, with the proportion of Danes living alone rising by 42% since 1986.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/20/city-of-borgen...

> Around 47% of households have just one occupant – typically a child-free, single adult.

https://www.flashpack.com/us/relationships/sweden-solo-livin...

PS. We might have inadvertently HN-effect the prior link, it was simply a reasonably looking description of the 1850-1930 household lifestyle.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by morsch on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:01AM (#29067489)
So seemingly we're in agreement that Americans as well as people in Europe do, in fact, prepare food at home, since now you're bemoaning all the men (like me!) spending time in the kitchen, doing a woman's job.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by angelzen on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:22AM (#29067891)
No, we are absolutely not. You are measuring time spent, I am measuring results. The results, aka homecooked food, are not even barely passable in an American context. As I already said, pasta salad, microwaved mac and cheese and occasional weekend burgers are not homecooking. Just open the fridge of the average American household, it is a barren wasteland. Somehow I doubt modern Europe is doing much better, though possibly some pockets, especially in the Latin world, are holding by a thread.

I am aghast at the misogynistic downplay of the skills, hard work, love and dedication our foremothers poured in keeping the household happily humming along. But to each its own, at this point some of these words are probably just some empty strange anachronisms. Enjoy the Nordic lifelong solitude, probably happier to simply not know what has been lost.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by morsch on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:52AM (#29068383)
The thing is, you're not measuring anything, just making vague extrapolations about the American household, based on -- I don't know what exactly.

I am aghast at the misogynistic downplay of the skills...

I'm sure you are. What specifically are you talking about?

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by prawn on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:00AM (#29063151)
Every advertising influence pushes you to buy more, eat more, and then address the repercussions with strategies (Ab-Roller style gym equipment) that won't work as well as just not eating so much in the first place.

Small servings get ridiculed.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by WD-42 on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:47AM (#29063091)
A lifestyle built around availability and expectation of the use of personal vehicles as the sole means of transportation.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by kottaram on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:19AM (#29063232)
Most people dont want to eat healthy, or hit the gym. Plus fast food is cheap there.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by bobthepanda on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:28AM (#29063278)
Gym culture is very American.

Really, the issue is that routine exercise of the most basic kind is totally absent in most Americans' lives. In most of the world you can reasonably walk to school, to work, to do some quick shopping, to meet with friends, and if you're not walking directly there you can walk to a bus or a train that will get you in that general direction. In most American suburbia, these types of walking journeys are at best indirect and at worst downright dangerous with a lack of safe sidewalks or crosswalks.

In 1969, half of American schoolkids walked or biked to school. In 2012, that figure declined to 19%. https://www.wnyc.org/story/284604-why-so-few-walk-or-bike-to...

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by notfromhere on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:18AM (#29063548)
I moved from a major, transit oriented US city to a suburb, and my daily steps walked declined by like 75%. The suburbs are designed around doing as little physical movement as possible.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by tamaharbor on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:20AM (#29062961)
Laziness?
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by etchalon on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:40AM (#29063051)
Because the definition of "overweight" is based on BMI, which is essentially pseudoscience.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by tasty_freeze on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:44AM (#29063365)
The number of weightlifters who compute their BMI and then think, "Oh, no, it turns out I'm obese" must be approximately zero.

The number of people who are going to get a caliper test done or a water displacement test, outside of elite athletes, is again approximately zero.

The number of people who are overweight or obese and don't realize and could discover it using just two pieces of easily available information is more than I could count in my lifetime, working 24/7.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by Gigachad on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:22AM (#29063245)
You can call it pseudoscience but that doesn't do anything for the fact that far too many Americans are fat by more scientific scales as well.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by etchalon on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @01:47PM (#29178662)
Then we can use the more scientific scales.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by nradov on Monday November 01, 2021 @01:14AM (#29063209)
It's easy to criticize BMI as a metric, and it's certainly not perfect, but for research and public health purposes it's good enough.

The real COVID-19 risk isn't from BMI or even obesity in general, but specifically from excess visceral fat.

https://www.metabolismjournal.com/article/S0026-0495(20)3030...

However measuring visceral fat is slow and expensive since it requires something like a DXA scan. We don't have enough equipment to scan everyone. So we usually rely on BMI as a proxy.

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by ghaff on Monday November 01, 2021 @12:43AM (#29063068)
And BTW includes most of the EU as well.

Countries like the US includes the EU too, at a lower level but still over 50% are supposedly overweight. [1]

[1] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/-/d...

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by stkdump on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:09AM (#29063810)
These stats were made before the EU's most obese country left the union ;)

If you look at obesity level per country, the most populous country in the EU is on rank 79 of 191, not far from the middle of the table, while the US is on rank 12, with mostly micro nations above it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_obesity...

Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by nradov on Monday November 01, 2021 @10:22AM (#29066914)
Obesity is increasing in most EU countries. Give them a few years and they'll eventually catch up to the US and UK.
Re:Most Covid-19 hospitalizations due to four conditions by notfromhere on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:20AM (#29063557)
It works well enough for the general population. People don’t like being told they’re overweight though, so there’s a lot of surface level commentary about it.