I sometimes think about what I’m going to get after 12 mini that I’m using is done for :) Because there are reports that Apple is done with this screen size segment.

I think Apple would make a better selling product if they could chop an extra $100–200 from the price of the mini. A single rear camera, fewer SKUs (say, two colours and two capacities), and maybe a binned version of the A16 chip with one fewer GPU core.

I flat out disagree with this sentiment. People who don't care about their phone that much will buy whatever fits their personal needs (usually what is least expensive), while a person who specifically in today's market opts to purchase a smaller phone is doing so with intention.

Sure, a cheaper iPhone would probably sell just by the virtue of being a cheaper iPhone and perhaps a future iteration of the SE will be based on the mini chassis to facilitate that price sensitive market. But the people getting iPhone minis are almost all doing so with intention. That intention being they want a physically smaller device for whatever reason.

I think Apple would sell more iPhone minis if the branding were different. If the iPhone mini was simply called the 'iPhone' and then the current 'iPhone' became 'iPhone plus' and then the max remains the 'iPhone max' more people would probably purchasing it as the default phone.

Sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion. But really we're all just guessing. My guess is that the iPhone 12/13 Mini has potential appeal to two markets:

• Someone who wants a flagship device, who places positive value in smaller size, and is not price sensitive;

• Someone who wants a premium device, who places negative value in larger size, and is moderately price sensitive.

With the anemic sales of the last two generations of mini iPhone, Apple has shown that this first market is smaller than hoped. The question is: is it nonetheless big enough to warrant Apple making an iPhone 14 mini? If it is, great.

If not, your preference is moot because the device won't exist. My argument is that this second market is likely much larger and represents an opportunity which Apple hasn't quite honed in on—yet. If it's necessary in order for an iPhone 14 mini to exist, a device with wider appeal is preferable to no device.

The 13 mini just came out less than a month ago. How do you have data for its sales?

The 12 mini was announced 5 months after the 2020 SE, which itself was announced 4 years after the previous smaller phone, the 2016 SE. I suspect many people, like myself, who waited years for a new smaller phone jumped on the 2020 SE when we would have purchased a 12 mini instead.

Like the other person, I say this is a ridiculous claim. I'd go as far as say most techies I know want a smaller device than what's available in the Android land, and would be willing to pay a premium. Small size has been the second most important feature of the Pixel line, right after the great camera.

Thing is I bought 12 mini 3 weeks ago (replaced my 4 years old iPhone 7). It was way cheaper than 13 mini at the time of that sale. Also the only thing important for me in 13 mini better than 12 mini was battery which isn't that significant a difference imho.

I hope to use 12 mini for at least 3 more years. Wouldn't want to buy a 13 mini to replace a 12 mini then. I would want a 15 or 16 mini at that time (or equivalent).

Some think the 12/13 is the last small apple phone. And like the OP implies, it's a catch 22: They only put non-premium specs on the small phone, so people don't buy them, so they justify killing it because of the size.

Weight and Dimension 169g, 148 x 68.5 x 8.9 mm

thats a full cm longer than the 2020 SE, which is already bigger than the mini. it might be "an answer to the mini" in features and spirit but not in size by far.

Went with the Pixel 4a, we'll see how it goes

The size difference between the two doesn't actually seem that substantial, but the specs difference kinda is. Meanwhile, both are bigger than the phone I currently have.

I used Android for about a decade, but I'm glad I switched.

Sony used to have a compact line with flagship hardware and a reasonable size. Unfortunately, it looks like they stopped making them

They still have them. They grow a little bit, but the real issue for me is price...

For me, the sweet spot was probably around 4.5". But good luck finding a phone with flagship specs in that size.

The difference between the Pixel 6 (6.4") and the Pixel 6 Pro (6.7") screen size doesn't seem very large to me.

I'm still unsure what my next phone will be: I'm _very_ tempted to go with a Unihertz, but realistically, it will probably be an iPhone Mini.

But there are a few issues I've had, of course your mileage may vary

1. When my primary phone broke, I had great issues getting Google Fi to work. It seems the phone/sim process often hung when making APN changes, manually or with Fi app 2. Battery life is fantastic, but by default it kills apps after five min when the screen is off. You'll need to allow for music apps or whatever you want running when screen is off

It's great for hiking though

Ultimately, the main use (by time spent) I have for my phone is reading and watching, and therefore the main complaint I have with phones is that they don't have enough screen, and the next biggest is UI lag. The recent folders like the Surface Duo and others have been interesting to watch, but they have so far sacrificed too much in other specs for that gimmick.