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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by atourgates on Monday October 18, 2021 @05:14PM (#28911853)
For all the times Apple seems to be willing to "stick to its guns" and ignore consumer complaining, this seems like a weird time to give in.

They basically made a line-in-the-sand on USB-C adoption, and it pretty much worked. I'd argue that an HDMI and SD card readers are less useful, and certainly far less versatile than additional USB-C ports.

For all the dongle jokes of a few years ago, I don't really see a reason to go back to less versatile ports in laptops.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by sintaxi on Monday October 18, 2021 @05:57PM (#28912319)
Every monitor and TV manufactured within the last decade without exception has an HDMI input and monitors that support thunderbolt are nearly double the cost. Even if money is no object that HDMI port will prove to be useful.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by cactus2093 on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:10PM (#28912456)
It's weird to sell the machine with a super high resolution 120hz mini LED screen though and then optimize the ports for the cheap $400 monitor market.

You're right though the HDMI port might come in handy in random situations, better to include it than not. The SD port is the one I really don't get. And I still maintain that the continued lack of USB-A ports is a much bigger dongle problem than the lack of HDMI port was.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Bud on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:42PM (#28912740)
They didn't optimize the ports for the cheap monitor market, at all. These machines support Apple's extremely expensive display and all the various 4K and 5K displays out there, admirably.

And they ALSO have the single most needed and bitched about port if it's absent, by far, for nearly all business users, which is HDMI. Far and away the best thing they could have added.

I personally will not use it often, but when I do, it will be invaluable, and for the users I support, it will be a tremendous increase in convenience and ease-of-use.

If you need a lot of USB-A ports, get a CalDigit dock and be done with it. If you need just 1, there are extraordinarily tiny adapters.

It's time to get over USB-A.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by girvo on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:30PM (#28913183)
Which reminds me: I want more USB-C ports; Caldigits latest Thunderbolt 4 dock finally added the ability (as I believe the chipsets available maxed out at 2 ports previously). One of those, plus a 14" MacBook Pro with the M1X Max and I think I'll be set for computers + connectivity for a very long while.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by btgeekboy on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:57PM (#28912874)
If I had one of these machines, I would not be using that port at my desk.

However, I would be using it in every conference room I use, multiple times daily. It’s the difference between plugging in the cable vs. finding the right dongle that’s security-cabled to the presenter cable, and connecting it in the middle.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by toyg on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:28PM (#28912618)
SD is absolutely massive in Asia, on a level that I think cannot be gauged properly from the West. I reckon these ports have been added with an eye to the Asian market rather than California.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by cactus2093 on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:37PM (#28913230)
That's interesting. Are you talking about microSD in smartphones, or standard SD?

MicroSD support would have actually made more sense to me than standard SD. But from what it looks like micro cards will still require a dongle of sorts.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by toyg on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:01AM (#28916176)
SD and microSD nominally inhabit the same space, but microSD is effectively limited to storage whereas SD can be used for other things; it's just more flexible to provide an SD slot, if you can spare the lateral space. Among other things, microSDs are so tiny that it is often more practical to put them in an SD adapter whenever you need to handle them. That's why SD adapters are so widespread, and you'll likely find one in the package whenever you buy a consumer microSD.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by bartvk on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:17AM (#28915336)
Yeah, that's a bit weird actually. I looked at my country's most popular comparison site, and listed the top-10 best viewed memory cards. Of those 10: 9 microSD, 1 standard SD.

https://tweakers.net/geheugenkaarten/vergelijken/#filter:q1Y...

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by bpicolo on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:28PM (#28913582)
You can get an SD case for a micro SD card for less than 5 bucks. Can't adapt the other way inside a slot.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by toyg on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:30AM (#28916017)
It's actually coming free with most off-the-shelf microSDs. And exactly that - SD as a physical format is more flexible, nowadays it can be used even for non-storage cards.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by tbabb on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:51PM (#28912821)
> SD is absolutely massive in Asia

Why is that?

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by eyko on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:34PM (#28913206)
Cheap android phones with decent cameras and expandable storage (microSD).

Edit: I'm obviously oversimplifying, but most of the world doesn't have always-on data connections (e.g. rural areas) and manufacturers outside of silicon valley do optimise for people that may want to download media so the can view/listen when they're not connected. Nothing beats a cheap phone replaceable battery and storage.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by bombcar on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:02PM (#28912921)
I assume it took off instead of USB storage for reasons lost to time.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by alanbernstein on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:22PM (#28913867)
It's not some great mystery, micro SD cards are tiny, USB storage isn't.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by addicted on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:26PM (#28912594)
Because the cheap HDMI monitors might be the only ones available to you as your company calls people into the office but now with the added beauty of hoteling.

/snark

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by dharma1 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:28AM (#28915690)
SD cards are essential for anyone who does video or photography seriously - and that’s a big part of the market this laptop sells to. I’m glad it’s back
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by can16358p on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:35AM (#28916037)
Nope. I do them seriously. My Mavic 2 Pro has a microSD slot, my Canon EOS 5D Mark IV has a CF slot (it also does have a SD slot too, which is slower and I've never used it).

SD card reader is a nice addition for a handful of pros, sure, but definitely not essential for everyone who does photo/video seriously.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by dharma1 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:52AM (#28918717)
yeah and my blackmagic cameras have SD/CF/SSD - but SD is super common, most cameras have it. New UHS-II SD cards are pretty fast - https://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/sd-memory-card-faq/fastest...

MicroSD->SD is easy with a dummy adapter

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by newbie2020 on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @01:11AM (#28915068)
My company had to dongle up EVERY meeting room once developers switched to MacBook pros with USB-C. But we still have non Mac users who use HDMI. To this day, every meeting has the potential to be sixty seconds late while we navigate through dongle hell…
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by sintaxi on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:39PM (#28913243)
The HDMI is for plugging into displays that are available to you when you are out of your office. Since they all have HDMI inputs this is a very sensible port.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by gnufied on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:28PM (#28912624)
Depending on HDMI spec supported, an HDMI port can power pretty high specced display. I am not sure where this cheap monitor thing is coming from.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by bliteben on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:38PM (#28913236)
USB-a dongle's make money and I'm sure the removal of magsafe cost them on applecare
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by danudey on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:12PM (#28913484)
Anecdote, but... I rarely, but sometimes, need to read SD cards, for e.g. embedded systems, RPi, Nintendo Switch, etc. Not enough to go out and buy a brand new USB-C dongle which I would then lose somewhere in my house, but enough that it's annoying to not be able to use my primary laptop with it.

Don't get me wrong, I would still buy a MacBook with no SD card slot, but I would occasionally run into cases where I wish I had that dongle that I lost somewhere.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by zeitg3ist on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:17AM (#28918327)
Well these are all microSD cards, so you would still need an adapter :)
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by JohnBooty on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:24PM (#28923301)
The SD card slot is a weird duck.

There's a single use case for which can't easily be replaced by a USB-C dongle: using it as makeshift additional "internal" storage.

SD cards work pretty well for that, for most read-heavy use cases. On older Macbooks, with undersized internal storage, I'd keep an SD card in the slot. I'd keep downloaded media there, installers, even infrequently used applications. Assuming one's using a high quality SD card, performance was "plenty good enough."

I wouldn't keep anything crucial on an SD card, but everything on my local storage is backed up to the cloud anyway, so not really an issue.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by rimliu on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:26AM (#28916000)
Take one of the "pro" markets—photographers. They sure have to deal with SD cards, and they often shoot tethered, which almost always means HDMI connection.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by sbuk on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:56AM (#28916148)
Tethering isn't done over HDMI. Invariably it's propietary, Micro USB-B or Micro-USB 3.1 to the camera and a plain old USB-A to the machine. Wireless tether is a thing to.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Gigachad on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:04PM (#28912389)
I imagine the air and base model pro will still retain USB-C only.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by wffurr on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @07:40AM (#28929484)
I really hope they bring MagSafe at least back to the air in next years rumored redesign and refreshed chip.