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Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by tazjin on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:17AM (#28592116)
It's always strange to read these reports from American cities that sound like something out of war-torn countries. Delivery workers grouping together to defend themselves against hordes of bandits, in well-known places, with no police protection? What the ...?

This sort of thing would be unthinkable in central Moscow and most other large European city centres (the only European city I've ever felt unsafe in is Brussels, and that's still quite different from NYC).

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by aerosmile on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:17AM (#28594725)
Spoiler alert: the murder rate in Russia is 40% higher than in the US, and that's despite the very different gun laws [1][2].

Nothing ruins a good story like facts. That's also why you should always raise before you launch or enter a new market, etc. People are suckers for a story, and our brains are pre-wired to explain phenomena rather than to question them. Once you master that psychology (and manipulation) of people, you'll be better at fundraising - and apparently at journalism as well!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Russia [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by tazjin on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:24PM (#28595534)
From your link:

> Either way, it represents a significant decrease over the previous 15 years (in 2001, the homicide rate was 30.5). In 2018, according to Rosstat, there were 7,067 murders, and the homicide rate in Russia fell below the United States for the first time in recent history, falling to 4.9 per 100,000 compared to the US rate of 5.0 per 100,000 in 2018.

A common thing that happens in these comparisons is that people look at the Rosstat statistic that includes attempted murder.

Also, I'm specifically making my point about the major cities. Moscow sees a huge amount of investment of course, and I would expect the same from US cities like NYC or SF.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by twic on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:22AM (#28594781)
Could you expand on what this has to do with tazjin's point, which is specifically about delivery workers being attacked by robbers, and the police doing nothing about it, in specific cities?
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by aerosmile on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:01PM (#28595275)
He started off with "It's always strange to read these reports from American cities..."

It's strange because it's exaggerated, and it's exaggerated because it has to be - otherwise nobody would care to read the article (and then nobody would pay for this poor reporter's salary who has to hit certain monthly pageview targets, etc).

If you read something in the news and it sounds really strange, don't take it at face value.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by wan23 on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:38PM (#28596429)
I used to live by the bridge mentioned in the article as a place where people got attacked, and I believe it 100% fwiw.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by CodesInChaos on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:18PM (#28595472)
It'd rather compare the US with Western Europe. Homicide in the US is 5x that of Germany, and 10x that of Norway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intention...

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by aerosmile on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:28PM (#28595588)
My point was not to defend the crime rate in the US, but to address a question that a person from Russia asked - why does it sound like living in NYC is like watching some Western movie, whereas the same cannot be said about Moscow?

It sounded strange, because all it takes is a few YouTube searches to witness the level of violence that exists in Russia that far exceeds anything you'll see in the US. Russia really is something else in that regard, and if a Russian felt safer at home than in the US, it's simply a product of exaggerated reporting.

If someone living in Munich said that NYC is more dangerous than what they are used to, I wouldn't disagree with them.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by nzmsv on Monday September 20, 2021 @05:33PM (#28599293)
You have never been to Russia and yet feel comfortable saying it is "something else in this regard", basing the statement on a YouTube search.

The average stats are about the same, but that's as useful a number as the average temperature of the patients in a hospital.

For the places a visitor is likely to go, Russia will definitely feel safer. Crime there is largely pushed out of the densely populated city cores and into the outskirts. In the US, it's the opposite. A downtown core looks (and smells) like a dystopia unimaginable to most citizens of the world. People are always shocked at how terrible the world cities that heard about so much look in person.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by _delibash_ on Monday September 20, 2021 @03:58PM (#28598184)
This comment of yours however does smack of that run of the mill American xenophobia, "all it takes is a few YouTube searches to witness the level of violence that exists in Russia that far exceeds anything you'll see in the US. Russia really is something else in that regard." All it takes is a few YouTube searches to find some really fucked up footage of cops violating Americans' rights every day.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by _delibash_ on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:22PM (#28596252)
Considering the US is notorious for mass shootings and gun violence, it's not at all surprising that someone would have that view. NYC is a fairly safe place, for now. So is Moscow.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by rsj_hn on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @01:13AM (#28602213)
The U.S., however, does not have the demographics of Western Europe.

Just like you can't compare Western Europe to Japan (it is much more violent in comparison, but again, different demographics).

The US is maybe 50% Europe, 30% Latin America, 8% Asia, 12% Africa, and if you look at the UN intentional homicide tables and take the weighted average by continent, you'll end up with an expected intentional homicide rate of about 5 per 100,000, which is right where the US is.

So stop pretending we are Western Europe - we aren't.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by tsywke44 on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:37AM (#28594965)
There's a HUGE difference between getting murdered by your friend in a drunken argument, and getting murdered by a stranger street criminal trying to rob you....
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by HeyLaughingBoy on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:48PM (#28595840)
There is? Either way you're still dead.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by aaron-santos on Monday September 20, 2021 @04:12PM (#28598355)
Right before that there is a huge difference.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by chowchowchow on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:25PM (#28595540)
Ah yes, Russia. Long held as the standard to which the US should aspire to in many ways, including its murder rate.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by TapWaterBandit on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @12:28AM (#28602036)
It's deceptive anyway. Healthcare is much better in the USA than in Russia, including in the treatment of potential homicides.

If you combined murder rate + ICU entry rate for both countries due to violent crime, I think the stats would tell quite a different story.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by CalRobert on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:20PM (#28595499)
It's an issue in Dublin, Ireland too. Deliveroo riders are attacked and police seem to disregard it as an issue. Then when the riders started making maps describing which areas were dangerous the pearl-clutchers described it as "classist".

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/deliveroo...

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by MrBuddyCasino on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:16PM (#28596188)
Ah yes, status-boosting Luxury Beliefs the consequences of which the weakest have to endure. A pattern that repeats itself since decades.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by nerdponx on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:50AM (#28593236)
The victims themselves here are more or less part of the downtrodden caste. Some of them might not be living in the USA with legal authorization. They probably don't feel like the city is interested in protecting them, and it seems like in some cases they are already familiar with "protecting themselves" in organized groups. So with a lack of political interest in their case, banding together makes perfect sense.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by josephorjoe on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:48AM (#28595127)
Robbery of delivery workers has long been a problem in the city complicated by the fact that many of them don't trust/don't feel safe going to the police.

My first time on jury duty in nyc the case was armed robbery of a delivery worker to steal his cell phone - this was pre smart phone era, so let's say the phone's value was <$200.

Was a very depressing case tbh. One person at risk of death and another at risk of a long prison term for what was really petty theft (armed robbery makes the punishment much much worse than just petty theft would be).

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by nerdponx on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:00PM (#28595265)
Indeed. Maybe the part that's most depressing to me is that the long prison sentence clearly isn't enough of a disincentive against robbing another working-class person. How fucked up and bleak would your world have to be in order to do such a thing?
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by LeifCarrotson on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:40PM (#28595722)
Harsher sentences can actually be detrimental. It's not so bleak that someone would be willing to spend years in prison for a $200 phone.

Similarly, I didn't actually believe it was worth more than $125 to be a few seconds earlier to work this morning, which would be a rational, economic justification for a $125 traffic ticket. Instead, I've driven some 250,000 miles in the past 10 years (thankfully done with the long highway commute that caused most of them), I'd say about half of them were at 5mph over, and I've never received a ticket. I traded a 1:100,000 chance of a ticket against keeping up with the rest of traffic who were also uniformly breaking the law; I'm pretty adept with numbers but I find it difficult to comprehend that scale.

They're trading a tiny, tiny chance of prison time against a $200 phone. The actual percentage of enforcement is irrelevant compared to the justified, reinforced belief that they won't be caught or punished. OP mentioned that as a juror they were depressed at the apparent mandate to sentence someone to years in prison for the petty theft, instead, consistent enforcement of an appropriate penalty would be far better at changing behaviors.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by HeyLaughingBoy on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:53PM (#28595909)
That long sentences weren't much of a deterrent was already common knowledge when I was in high school in NYC some 40-odd years ago.

The biggest deterrent was just getting caught in the first place.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by tazjin on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:08AM (#28593384)
There's no way it's this simple. Looking at a map of NYC, it seems that this must be a fairly major bridge (southernmost connection from the Bronx to Manhattan) for all kinds of traffic. I'd expect plenty of average people not involved in delivery gangs (??) to cross there, too, and have issues with the roving bandits.

If this is a known crime hotspot, shouldn't police just be hanging out there?

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by pydry on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:21AM (#28593500)
Is it that hard to believe given the events from the last couple of years that the police arent all that interested in protecting these people?

American police also stole $2.5 bn in cash and killed 1,100 people in 2020.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by tazjin on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:34AM (#28593611)
My point is that there must be people who aren't involved in criminal gangs or deliveries crossing this bridge, too, so there should be a general interest in keeping it safe.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by brundolf on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:30AM (#28594876)
It seemed like these were targeted attacks- specific time window, specific target group. Most people crossing won't have something worth thousands of dollars on them, which can conveniently act as its own getaway vehicle, and which can then be fenced through what sounded like an established pipeline for this particular item
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by nerdponx on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:02PM (#28595282)
Relatively few "regular" people walk across that bridge. It's mostly car traffic. And it connects two areas that have been historically "rough".
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by MisterTea on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:35PM (#28595669)
This is nothing new, the South Bronx has always been a notorious crime ridden mess.

I used to hang around some trucking forums and found that in the 70's-80's into the 90's Hunts Point was legendary among truckers as a war zone. From the stories and anecdotes the route between the ports and the expressway was a gauntlet of armed highwaymen. It was so bad truckers would not stop for red lights or stop signs for fear of being hijacked in broad daylight. It was customary to lean on the horn and try to roll through. A few even admitted to illegally carrying a pistol for protection.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by stagger87 on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:09AM (#28594631)
Burglary and violence are not specific to American cities. Implying that they are "unthinkable" in large European cities is borderline flame bait.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by mjburgess on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:12AM (#28594668)
I don't really think so. Americans often project this "no-go areas" type thinking onto europe. I'm not aware of any "no-go" areas anywhere in the country.

I think a ban on guns, and eg., an extreme historical scarcity of them in the UK means we aren't in the same position at all.

Yes there may be gangs. Yes there may be murders. But I think people delivering food on bikes arent in danger basically anywhere.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by bovine3dom on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:27AM (#28594841)
In Manchester in the UK there was one in 2019: an old railway line which has been converted into a bike path, the Fallowfield loop. Groups of teenagers were attacking cyclists with hammers and logs. I believe that the police woke up to it and it has calmed now but it was definitely a no-go area for me for a few months. I'm pretty sure someone tried to drop a fist-sized rock on me while I cycled under a bridge...
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by stagger87 on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:30AM (#28594881)
Bike robbery and theft is an issue in Europe, especially e-bikes.

> Americans often project this "no-go areas" type thinking onto europe. I'm not aware of any "no-go" areas anywhere in the country.

This just comes off as more flame bait. What kind of discussion do you expect to have with this sort of comment?

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by mjburgess on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:45PM (#28595796)
Well, at least, someone offering a counter-example.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by InfiniteRand on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:43AM (#28592268)
I think you should always take these type of articles with a grain of salt. The author seems keen to play up the drama
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by rightbyte on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:03AM (#28592407)
Drama? Didn't the SF DA stop enforcing laws on theft under some arbitrary but quite large value? I would not call it an exaggeration.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by danShumway on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:51AM (#28594405)
Heads up, this article is about NYC bikers, and NYC has actually increased police budgets lately.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by jakelazaroff on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:28AM (#28593077)
The amount of attention spent on Chesa Boudin and shoplifting is puzzling. Wage theft is by far the biggest form of stealing, and it’s rarely — if ever — prosecuted… but instead we’re worried about a small increase in petty larceny?
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by yadaeno on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:11AM (#28593414)
We shouldn't have to choose between wage theft or regular theft.

Also has Boudin done anything significant to combat wage theft? Or do you think since wage theft exists "burn it all down".

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by sangnoir on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:47PM (#28595830)
Police and prosecutorial resources are limited. They have to be prioritized by necessity.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by willcipriano on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:04AM (#28593355)
Police officers don't investigate wage theft, labor boards do. Not going after shoplifters, bike thieves and porch pirates doesn't free up any resources in order to go after wage theft, it just makes the area less safe and more expensive.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by jakelazaroff on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:08AM (#28593908)
Chesa Boudin is the District Attorney, not a police officer. Wage theft is under his jurisdiction.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by colpabar on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:21PM (#28595504)
Has he done anything about it?

I don't understand why you're bringing this up when the TFA is about armed robbery. I do understand why someone would bring up SF in the first place, because SF decided to stop prosecuting "petty larceny". TFA is about what you'd also call "petty larceny", and the city seems to not care about it.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by bradleyjg on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:39AM (#28593656)
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by splintercell on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:18AM (#28592522)
It feels like there’s a clear class difference. Almost all of these people are Hispanic/brown immigrants. If this was happening, and presuming it was worse than what the article described, what are the chances that you would know about it?
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by sangnoir on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:51PM (#28595880)
As a thought experiment, how long would it take for NYPD to respond if young, middle-class, college-aged joggers were being attacked with the same frequency at some dark Central Park corner.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by downrightmike on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:16AM (#28594720)
Not war-torn, more like lawless wastelands. Cops don't really stop crime, the get their ticket quota and then if they have to follow up on other crime, they may show up and take a report.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by downrightmike on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:45AM (#28595071)
Just first hand experience, y'all don't like it, well, I don't like it either.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by CryptoPunk on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:23AM (#28592555)
Police in these major American cities, like all public sector workers (and especially emergency workers), get paid really well too.

The political system of these major Democrat dominated cities is entirely dysfunctional. The only thing the public sector unions, and their political puppets, offer as a solution, is more social spending:

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/social-spending-oecd-long...

The US is just ahead of the pack in unraveling.

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Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by colpabar on Monday September 20, 2021 @12:26PM (#28595560)
Seems like BART's decision to stop releasing footage of crimes committed on SF public transit agrees with you.

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/07/09/bart-withholdin...

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by nerdponx on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:47AM (#28593203)
1. No, that isn't a thing in the USA.

2. It's not a case of violent ethnic minority preying on peaceful ethnic majority. There probably isn't a single "white" person involved in any of those crimes, as assailant or victim.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by bradleyjg on Monday September 20, 2021 @06:41AM (#28592255)
For a while there, NYC was very safe. Then de Blasio got elected. Hopefully, Eric Adams can turn around the disaster Bill is leaving him.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by jakelazaroff on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:05AM (#28592870)
Crime is down under de Blasio. Virtually every category has continued decreasing since he took office in 2014: https://www.disastercenter.com/crime/nycrime.htm

(That link only covers through 2019, but if you look at the official CompStat data the two year trend for 2019–2021 is also negative: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/crime_statist...)

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by nzmsv on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:29AM (#28593570)
Another way to get crime stats to look good is to ignore crimes. Even from the article we are discussing here it sounds like there have been dozens of instances of assault and robbery that were ignored. Ignore enough and people stop wasting their time reporting crimes. Stats look great, the streets tell a different story.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by pandaman on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:26AM (#28593052)
I am not sure how is the state stats are relevant in discussing DeBlasio's performance or one week makes a trend though. Here are the annual stats for felonies: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_... https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_...

Some crimes are down, some (e.g. murder) are up.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by jakelazaroff on Monday September 20, 2021 @08:44AM (#28593187)
Oops, didn’t notice the first link was for New York State. The CompStat link includes longer-term trends, though, which is what I was referring to.

Crime is down overall, and I suspect that if you controlled for the murder rate increase in all US cities over the past two years it might be flat or down in NYC as well.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by alach11 on Monday September 20, 2021 @02:51PM (#28597320)
Murder rate is arguably the most useful crime metric because it's the hardest one for politicians/police to game. Changes in enforcement can change trends for assaults and property crime, but you can't really hide bodies.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by jakelazaroff on Monday September 20, 2021 @03:25PM (#28597743)
Well, you'd have to show that murder rates correlate with rates for other crime. But more important is digging into the thorny issue of what — and who — defines "crime". Because there are a ton of aspects to it: what laws are on the books, what laws are actually enforced, what various special interest groups want to legislate, what people analyzing data choose to include.

For example, as of 2017 feeding pigeons was a misdemeanor in Las Vegas [1]. That will show up in crime data, but you'd be hard-pressed to convince me that it correlates with the murder rate. And if you wanted me to compile a report on crime data, I'd probably ignore it altogether (which is essentially what people are doing when they refer to "violent crime" states).

For a slightly more charged example, let's say property owners push a law against sleeping in public. If they succeed and police don't enforce it, are they "gaming" the metrics? What if most other locals actually oppose the law?

[1] https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-illegal-pigeon-vegas-20...

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by bradleyjg on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:01AM (#28593320)
If Chicago, San Francisco, and Minneapolis all jump off a bridge NYC should too?
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by jakelazaroff on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:04AM (#28593882)
Are you saying that we shouldn’t control for a coordinated national change in murder rate when evaluating the impact a mayor’s specific policies have had on their city?
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by pandaman on Monday September 20, 2021 @11:15AM (#28594703)
Anti-police policies are not exclusive to the NYC though. If you want to control you need to show that murders also rise in the cities that don't have the same policies. Chicago, SF, Minneapolis don't appear a sensible choice for a control group in this regard.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by bradleyjg on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:15AM (#28594004)
I’d say the blame for the consequences of pro crime ideology should be shared by all mayors that hold it.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by jessaustin on Monday September 20, 2021 @09:22AM (#28593509)
NYC is subject to the same national economic, demographic, and cultural trends. For example, recently there has been a respiratory pandemic that affected the entire nation.
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by swman on Monday September 20, 2021 @01:14PM (#28596153)
Is this like California making it okay to steal stuff up to a certain amount and then claiming theft is down? Lol
Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by crispyambulance on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:49AM (#28592749)
"Safety" in a city is an outcome of a very large number of interconnected factors. It is not under the control of any one mayor or police commissioner. More importantly, perception plays a large role in how people judge the safety a city or a neighborhood.

"Safe" is also very hard to define. Safe for who? Safe in what sense? It's a giant grey area and no one has ever been able to "solve" the crime problem. Getting tough on crime doesn't work, nor does endless social programs, nor does sweeping it under the rug.

Hopefully Adams will take a pragmatic approach and do what he can without making it worse. I wish him well.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by refurb on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:44AM (#28592706)
SF was always rough but has definitely gotten a bit more lawless.

I wonder if we’re seeing history repeat itself? Cities grew in the 50’s, then saw people leave in the 60-70’s, then return in the 90’s.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by bradleyjg on Monday September 20, 2021 @07:50AM (#28592752)
The usual explanations for the prior crime wave were exogenous—crack cocaine and leaded gasoline are the two I’ve seen most frequently.

On the other hand, this latest round seems to be the result of poor policy choices.

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by rsj_hn on Tuesday September 21, 2021 @12:44AM (#28602106)
There are plenty of non-exogenous causes, they just don't have the same cool-factor for publication as things like leaded gasoline. For example many people were released from institutions during the massive de-institutionalization push that started in the mid 50s [1], going from ~340 institutionalized people per 100,000 in 1955 to about 60 per 100,000 in 1980. One can even argue that the sum of incarcerated and institutionalized has averaged roughly constant (about 450 per 100,000) with a dip during the period of increasing criminality from the 1960s to the 1990s as the incarceration rate had to climb from ~100 to ~450 per 100,000 to make up for the mass de-institutionalization.

The cited study is pretty interesting:

"The juxtaposition of these trends and the current high incidence of severe mental illness among those behind bars begs the question of whether the mentally ill have simply been transinstitutionalized from mental hospitals to prisons and jails. A related question concerns the extent to which the unprecedented growth in incarceration since the late 1970s is driven by a reduction in public investment in inpatient mental health services. Past changes in sentencing and corrections policies are currently under heightened scrutiny as state prison populations are at record levels and many states are seeking to scale back correctional populations with an eye on the fiscal benefits of doing so. To the extent that the run-up in state prison populations was driven by deinstitutionalization, the current focus on sentence enhancements and the evolution of the U.S. sentencing regime may be misplaced."

[1] https://gspp.berkeley.edu/assets/uploads/research/pdf/p71.pd...

Re:Revolt of the Delivery Workers by swearwolf on Monday September 20, 2021 @10:49AM (#28594385)
If crack was a big driver for the previous crime wave, it heroin/fentanyl is likely to be a driver for this one. Or, on the West Coast, meth. It’s made a pretty big comeback since 2017, but it’s been mostly overshadowed by the opioid crisis.