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Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by Waterluvian on Sunday August 15, 2021 @03:53PM (#28191934)
I love how Australia has all the nature that wants to kill you and apparently New Zealand has none of it.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by akiselev on Sunday August 15, 2021 @04:07PM (#28192044)
And the one venomous migrant species - it happens often enough to be legally protected in NZ since they came on their own - is curious, not aggressive, and doesn’t have fangs long enough to be much of a threat to humans. Quite charming.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by mikeywazowski on Sunday August 15, 2021 @06:02PM (#28192951)
I presume you're referring to the Katipo.

Note that white-tails and redbacks have also migrated to NZ from Australia.

Also, from Wikipedia: "A katipō bite produces the toxic syndrome latrodectism; symptoms include extreme pain and, potentially, hypertension, seizure, or coma." Not exactly what I'd call charming.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by akiselev on Sunday August 15, 2021 @09:32PM (#28194132)
I was referring to the yellow-bellied sea snake in the article. From it's Wikipedia article [1]:

> Though rare, the yellow-bellied sea snake is the most commonly seen sea snake in New Zealand waters, to the degree that the species can be considered indigenous to New Zealand and protected under the Wildlife Act 1953.

The katipo is native to New Zealand and the two spiders seem to been introduced by humans. The yellow bellied sea snake just floats over so often it's protected.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow-bellied_sea_snake#Distr...

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by mikeywazowski on Monday August 16, 2021 @02:52AM (#28195586)
Ahh.. I don't know why I immediately assumed you were talking about spiders - my apologies!

I agree with everything you've said.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by potatochup on Sunday August 15, 2021 @08:09PM (#28193731)
In case anyone is interested, Katipo bites are extremely uncommon. 2 deaths ever and 1 bite recorded from 1951 to 2012.

> Hornabrook, in his 1951 review of the early literature on katipo spider bites, found a total of 22 cases, including 2 deaths. Since 1951, there has been only one reported case of a katipo bite, involving severe myocarditis in a 22-year-old man, despite katipo spiders inhabiting coastal beach dunes around New Zealand.

[1] https://sciblogs.co.nz/griffins-gadgets/2012/03/09/bitten-by...

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by dwd on Monday August 16, 2021 @09:14AM (#28197643)
In comparison around 2000 people are bitten by redback spiders in Australia each year.

Bites were historically even more common when everyone had a dunny out the back.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by pvaldes on Monday August 16, 2021 @03:33AM (#28195785)
Those spiders bite to protect its nest in the high grasses. It was a uncommon danger in cereal fields, when people harvested in shorts with a sickle, but currently everybody use machines for that.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by keithnz on Sunday August 15, 2021 @06:07PM (#28192985)
in fact, our native animals (mostly birds) are really really unprepared for hostile species which is why they are getting decimated by introduced pests like possums, rats, ferrets. They evolved traits like being "smelly" so that they can find each other easily.... which, for a predator is like opening a fast food shop with neon flashing lights.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by 2muchcoffeeman on Sunday August 15, 2021 @10:59PM (#28194562)
You don’t have to get so exotic. One of the devil researchers in Tasmania has been trying to get domestic cats banned from the island. With all the unique wildlife and already strict quarantine laws, I don’t know why cats don’t have to be registered in some areas.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by xupybd on Monday August 16, 2021 @12:55AM (#28195054)
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by petre on Monday August 16, 2021 @01:39AM (#28195255)
How is imprisoning a cat in the house 24/7 not animal abuse? My indoor cat develped OCD and died early at 10y of age because it developed hyperthyroidism according to the vet. I stayed at the 3rd floor with concrete and a fence under by balcony at the time, so 100% death rate if the cat fell off. Got the cat when I lived at a house with a yard, had to move over, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten a cat in the first place. I will never ever keep a cat indoors 24/7, better just refrain from getting one if no yard is available. Also no caged mammals, marsupials or birds.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by jfim on Monday August 16, 2021 @02:11AM (#28195384)
How is unleashing imported predators and contributing to native wildlife extinction [0] not animal abuse, including 33 species that are now extinct [1]?

[0] https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380 [1] https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-2486....

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by indemnity on Monday August 16, 2021 @02:29AM (#28195479)
Can’t reason with the entitlement of pet lovers.

We should get rid of all cats in NZ at the very least.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by pvaldes on Monday August 16, 2021 @03:35AM (#28195793)
The solution is to promote the use of marsupial cats as pets. Everybody wins.

Pet lovers have a pet. Endangered species of marsupial cats increase its population and native preys face the predators that coevolved with them so is a more fair situation.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by petre on Monday August 16, 2021 @05:05AM (#28196215)
Quolls? Aren't they endangered? How could one promote an endangered marsupial as a pet wihout trafficking endangered species and breaking the law?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDJe9e8oTbA

I was willing to suggest this but most of the native species are wild animals so not very useful as pets? There's a discussion about the Tasmanian Devil.

https://weareexplorers.co/pet-tassie-devils-next-big-step-co...

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by 2muchcoffeeman on Monday August 16, 2021 @11:04AM (#28198939)
The point would be to domesticate and breed them to help save the species.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by petre on Monday August 16, 2021 @02:45AM (#28195553)
Well, require them to be registered, neutered and ban all import cats? It's better than advising people to imprison their pets 24/7.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by bacon_waffle on Monday August 16, 2021 @03:15AM (#28195690)
I've never looked in to importing cats, but requiring cats to be registered is a fairly common discussion topic here. Dogs must be registered and microchipped (and aren't allowed in national parks, nature reserves, or wildlife sanctuaries). It's more expensive to register dogs that aren't neutered, so I believe the vast majority of pet dogs are.

On the other hand, cats are commonly seen as a lower cost and lower responsibility option, and as a result there are loads of them loose outdoors. I help maintain pest (mainly possum, and rat) traps in a forest at the edge of a small city, our traps include some self-resetting rat traps [1]. This isn't something we've kept close track of, but I'd estimate 1 in 15-20 rats killed overnight in those traps will still be left the morning after, because a cat has cleared the dead rat overnight.

An outright ban on cats is a political non-starter, but if we could at least require registration then pest control folks would have some chance of eliminating feral cats outside of special conservation areas. And, hopefully that change would shift the discourse a bit so a ban could be feasible down the track.

[1] https://goodnature.co.nz/products/a24-rat-stoat

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by petre on Monday August 16, 2021 @03:42AM (#28195838)
So there's basically no chance of getting rid of cats in NZ. Germany at least requires cats to be registered and have a chip or tatoo id. My ex lives there, has lost her cat, it was captured by animal control and she had to pay a 300€ fine at the animal shelter to get it back.

What about stoat, weasels and ferrets? I imagine one of those kills at least three fold more wildlife and birds than a cat, not counting eggs. Mustelids basically drove the kakapo to extinction.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by bacon_waffle on Monday August 16, 2021 @04:02AM (#28195941)
It's not really fair to say that there's no chance of getting rid of cats in NZ, might be more accurate to say it's not something that will happen soon. As you point out, a good step would be to require cat registration, and in some areas that has very nearly become a reality in recent elections.

I'm not a conservation expert, but think it's safe to say that the answer to your question is a bit complicated. We have a national goal to be free of a list of predators including those by 2050 - it seems achievable, but only with a lot of work and political willpower. Stoats for instance can be killed with traps that cats can't get in to, so that's a useful tool in the more accessible areas where we still have pet cats to contend with. One of the more immediate issues in the big picture, is a small but vocal faction that's violently opposed to using a poison that is key in these efforts. To give some flavour, check out this recent and very well-done series: https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/fight-for-the-wild

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by mschuster91 on Monday August 16, 2021 @04:10AM (#28195976)
> Germany at least requires cats to be registered and have a chip or tatoo id.

No, we don't. The only requirement is a chip + rabies shot if you are taking your cat, dog or ferret with you across other European countries (per directives 998/2003 resp. 576/2013).

> My ex lives there, has lost her cat, it was captured by animal control and she had to pay a 300€ fine at the animal shelter to get it back.

That is not a fine by the government, it is a charge from the shelter for the trap, medical checkout and accomodation cost.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by Smithalicious on Monday August 16, 2021 @08:30AM (#28197272)
Isn't it amazing how someone can steal your pet, then hold it for ransom to get it back, legally?
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by bacon_waffle on Monday August 16, 2021 @02:50AM (#28195575)
> I will never ever keep a cat indoors 24/7.

Well if you're in NZ, please consider not keeping a cat. The amount of damage they do to wildlife is absolutely shocking.

FWIW, my partner has a 100% indoor cat, and it seems just fine. It gets plenty exercise and stimulation through toys and play time.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by petre on Monday August 16, 2021 @02:53AM (#28195589)
I'm in Europe. Felis catus is a native species.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by HWR_14 on Monday August 16, 2021 @12:30AM (#28194941)
> I don’t know why cats don’t have to be registered in some areas.

That's a strange way to write "are forbidden from certain islands"

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by 2muchcoffeeman on Sunday August 15, 2021 @05:56PM (#28192919)
The only thing you need to really watch out for are what’s known colloquially as the Drop Bear. Also best not to aggravate a brown snake.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by toomanybeersies on Monday August 16, 2021 @01:49AM (#28195292)
In New Zealand, it's usually not the animals that are trying to kill you, but the earth itself.

That's one of the reasons I moved to Australia, there's less chance of being killed by the wildlife here than by an earthquake or a volcano in New Zealand.

Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by awesomeusername on Monday August 16, 2021 @03:35AM (#28195797)
I think you've had too many beersies
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by mr_toad on Monday August 16, 2021 @04:50AM (#28196137)
You’re more likely to be killed by a motor vehicle in either country.
Re:Sea snakes are washing up on New Zealand’s shores by drdeadringer on Sunday August 15, 2021 @07:21PM (#28193487)
The "New Zealand Quarantine" is effective.