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Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by oxymoran on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @01:08PM (#28131388)
Interesting tidbit regarding Gallup: the Fortune 500 company I work for manipulates our surveys by asking general questions about the company and then holding the supervisors accountable for the results even if all of the questions are way out of their control. So they leverage the the employee-supervisor relationship to make it seem like there is more happiness and less discontent.

That being said, I find it hard to believe my company is the only one doing that, I even called Gallup about it and they did not seem to care. At all.

Imagine what the real numbers look like.

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by Macha on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @03:40PM (#28133245)
Seen this before too.

1. Company makes unpopular decision (cuts a benefit, partners with someone unpopular, enforces some tedious process to make management life earlier)

2. Next poll season comes round

3. Shock, results are down

4. Declare an aggregate engagement measure as an action item which incorporates both the happiness metric but others such as understanding of company strategy

5. Declare the problem with this metric are line managers not conveying company direction well enough

6. Declare you're taking action by measuring line management on this metric

7. A bunch of ensuing makework on something execs think is important (at a certain size, a singular company vision is just too generic for line employees to care), yet they sell it as taking action

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by jjtheblunt on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:18PM (#28134726)
simple solution == flat-as-possible org structure?
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by clomond on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:39PM (#28134994)
But once you make a formal structure flat enough, informal structures can start to solidify and dominate (think High School).

I always try to keep this in mind, Valve which famously has a completely flat structure, ended up turning into an environment where things like popularity and ability to dispense resources defined the practiced org structure. Be careful what you wish for.

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by danuker on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:43PM (#28135027)
Perhaps "popularity and ability to dispense resources" is better than just "ability to dispense resources" (i.e. traditional hierarchy).
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by rowanG077 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:59PM (#28135212)
Did you go to High School with the rampant bullying? Popularity is not linked at all with personality traits that make someone a good leader afaik. Traditional hierarchy at least tries to keep people who are a competent in power.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by DaiPlusPlus on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:06AM (#28140532)
> Popularity is not linked at all with personality traits that make someone a good leader afaik.

On the contrary! Good personality traits evolved because they make for good leaders.

…which makes me depressed about being on the spectrum because it means I had to accept I could never be a “leader”.

(Well, I am a technical lead, it’s in my job-description, but that’s only because I get -Wpedantic on peoples’ code - and not because I can inspire people)

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by rowanG077 on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:26AM (#28140660)
Do you have a source for this. I wouldn't say from for example actors and musicians(ultimate popularity contests) that most of them would even be remotely good leaders.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:11PM (#28135347)
"Did you go to High School with the rampant bullying"

Do adults have judgement of pre-pubernecent 14 year olds? I mean, maybe some do, but...

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by rowanG077 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:39PM (#28135651)
High school age is generally 14 to 18. And I wouldn't be so confident adults in unchecked power are better then high schoolers on morality and decency.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by ClumsyPilot on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:25PM (#28136086)
So the concept of "well adjusted adult' is a myth?
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by rowanG077 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @08:43PM (#28136614)
I'm not entirely sure what you are expecting me to say. I didn't say every adult will be a bully. But not every teenager in high school is a bully either. The existence of "well adjusted adult" doesn't have anything to do with this. You can have "well adjusted adults" and still have rampant bullying. The point I'm making is that a traditional hierarchy tries to put the "wall adjusted adults" with good leadership skills in leadership positions. In contrast to a flat hierarchy where it's essentially just a popularity contest.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by unionpivo on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @06:04AM (#28140127)
yes. More or less.

What happens is that we learn to "hide" our impulses in more social acceptable behavior.

We didn't have that many bully's when i grew up but most of them are just slightly more polished version of themselves.

But when they are drinking or emotions are high they revert back. (which is bad since 2 of them are cops now)

I am not saying that person cannot change his life and ways around. I know some that have done that. But most people (in my expirience) don't

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by colsandurz on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @07:59PM (#28149827)
I work at a place with a flat structure and I can’t emphasize enough how true this is.

It’s especially noticeable when you’re not one of the in-crowd.

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by slumdev on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @03:01PM (#28132802)
My employer administered questions regarding how many days per week the employees wanted to spend in-office versus WFH.

Zero days per week in the office was not presented as an option.

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by LeifCarrotson on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @03:13PM (#28132937)
How many days per week do you want to spend in the office versus work from home?

(A) Seven in office

(B) Six in office

(C) Five in office, seven evenings plus two days WFH

(D) Please replace me

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by MR4D on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:15PM (#28133782)
(E) I have COVID and am going into the office to screw the company over.

Will be interesting to see if this choice happens.

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by mrRandomGuy on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:06PM (#28133625)
AKA "we spent way too much on the lease for you to just work from home pleb"
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by serial_dev on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:38PM (#28134116)
I honestly think it comes down to this in the majority of the cases.

"Look, we have a two-years contract where we pay X thousand dollars a month for 100 desks and we have on an average day 3 developers in our office. After one year of lockdowns, we know our developers work at least as well from home as from the office, but higher ups ask us why we pay so much for an empty building, so we will force you come back to the office as soon as we can, even if we don't save any money with that and most likely decrease our efficiency and employee satisfaction."

I live in Germany and that's more or less what's happening at my company as we speak. Nobody complained about our performance or said they wished the company would enforce "work from office" rules, yet, they already try to slowly increase the days where we need to work from the office.

In my opinion, once a month in the office is great for chatting and connecting with people, but when it comes to work output, it doesn't move the needle, it's actually a day lost to the business.

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by jrs235 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:50PM (#28136262)
Sunk cost fallacy! Keep it empty and save on the variable electric and heating/cooling costs.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by actually_a_dog on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @01:08AM (#28138241)
There's another aspect here, too. Companies get tax breaks to put offices in certain locations, and those tax breaks are frequently based on having a certain percentage occupancy.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by lanstin on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:54PM (#28134375)
Yeah I have been going in as requested but without my laptop. I am happy to chat but not going to pretend to do actual creative work.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by tomohawk on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:23PM (#28134779)
In government situations, the space itself is at a premium (not what it costs). If your org has a certain amount of space for use, other orgs will try to steal it from you. The amount of space you control is an indication of how awesome your org is.

There was this one org that had a few floors of a building for their use, but most of the desks sat empty most of the time. This came to the attention of a different org that was hard up for space. That had 2 people per desk at many desks. They got the "space manager" to take a look, but the target org got wind of what was going on and they called everyone to be in during that time. Those floors were overflowing with people when the space manager showed up.

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by slumdev on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @09:36AM (#28141782)
I bet they wish they had leased! This employer owns many large campuses...
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by throwaway75787 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @03:49PM (#28133383)
Surveys set up by the likes of "Great Place to Work" and similar are nothing but HR and PR fluff. It's set up to be spinned and covered up.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by tripa on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:04PM (#28134506)
I've said it before and I'd say it again with or without a throwaway: being certified “Great Place to Work” doesn't mean we're a good work environment, merely that we allocated >1 FTE to winning the contest.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by Izkata on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:25PM (#28135493)
FTE?
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by tripa on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @06:31PM (#28135561)
Full-Time Employee
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by aspyct on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @05:39AM (#28139949)
*Equivalent, can be a freelancer too.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by tripa on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @03:09PM (#28146320)
Indeed.

(actual employees in our case)

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by mohaine on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @04:50PM (#28134328)
This. You can only win with quite a bit of work which a company without issues will not put in.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by ThePadawan on Wednesday August 11, 2021 @03:07AM (#28138971)
I took the GPTW survey a while back at a former workplace.

I wholeheartedly agree. It's come to the point where if a company mentions that they participate in those surveys during the hiring process, that's a yellow flag.

Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by namdnay on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:11PM (#28134622)
Hahaha you too? Saw this at a previous employer. Suddenly the Gallup scores became the sole responsibility of your direct manager. So guess what? One year later, everyone briefs their reports to make sure they don’t get in trouble, Gallup scores were through the roof, trebles all round for HR!
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by kodah on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @02:56PM (#28132745)
I've seen our internal surveys go like this as well. They'll be critical on themselves with easy-to-solve issues but if it's something substantive then the polling will be very obtuse.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by laurent92 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @03:38PM (#28133221)
In my company (a famous company which builds trucks) they introduced those bullshit happiness surveys during Covid. So we coordinated so that the average of our marks were 1, 3, 4, 10, 5, 5, 10, 4, 3, 1, which is a Batman graph. Fortunately the “1” matches the first lockdown, but the managers are still wondering why the spikes at 10.
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by jrs235 on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @07:40PM (#28136187)
Reminds me about a cohort of colleagues at a place I worked that would have some fun conspiring similarly to this. Seemed HR and the company wanted everyone to fall in line. We called ourselves "the loose ends".
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by flapjaxy on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @05:00PM (#28134454)
doing the real work right here!
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by Dracophoenix on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @10:20PM (#28137193)
Not exactly the same, but your experience reminds me of this old tidbit from Yes, Minister: https://youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA
Re:The 'Great Resignation' is really the 'Great Discontent' by foobiekr on Tuesday August 10, 2021 @08:07PM (#28136373)
I work for an employer where anything is on the table for dealing with the deservedly poor reputation including buying "Best Workplace" awards. So... most of these surveys are actually probably counter-indicators.