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Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Saturday May 01, 2021 @12:53PM (#27007768)
So a while ago a i remembered one post from HN, it was some guy crawling google play store and keeping apps that were paid and people used them but had a low rating. He was selling this list, not sure if it was successful but i made something similar and updated

So far checking only 3 marketplaces, my crawlers found so far about 100k apps, the default filters show only the more interesting once (paid and low rating)

Its free.

I will add more and more marketplaces eventually. I will also try to add some social features, like "working as a team on some idea" and posting own ideas, but will see how it goes.

Feedback welcome

EDIT: i just see it on mobile, it does not look ideal. Will need to work on that hm.

EDIT2: just added pagination :), hope it works for you.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by ehsankia on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:59PM (#27009291)
> He was selling this list

Can someone explain the value of such a list, am I missing something? Don't get me wrong, your project is neat and I enjoyed looking through it, but I don't understand how anyone would try to sell this or pay money for this.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by nemomarx on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:00PM (#27009304)
I guess it could be "here are apps that people need enough to pay for, but have complaints about" in order to develop alternatives?

Maybe these are apps with bad user interfaces or some other issue and it's a list of low hanging fruit ideas?

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by m463 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @08:41PM (#27011311)
I've never bought an app that was one-star, but over time many of the really useful apps I used were sold and did one-star kinds of things.

One app kept track of my car info (vin, insurance, mileage, fillups) and was useful. But one day it was sold - uploaded my data and put it behind a login.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by thr0w__4w4y on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:54PM (#27011721)
"[but] did one-star kinds of things." That is a great line (seriously). I will probably end up working that phrase into something at one point, which is why I have this post bookmarked, so I can "hat tip to m463 on HN" when I do.

P.S. Do you remember the name of that auto app? Name and shame! ;-)

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by m463 on Sunday May 02, 2021 @04:23AM (#27013319)
it was gas cubby.

Another app I had that got worse was camscanner - a scanner app that would take a picture of a document and create a .pdf out of it.

It was sold to tencent. The "privacy policy" - when you could access it (broken links) was written in broken english that basically said it did anything it wanted with your .pdf files.

The kinds of documents I would image to .pdf were extremely sensitive personal documents - think w2, documents with SSN, etc...

At least apple notes eventually added a version of camera to .pdf (though it wasn't obvious how to use it when it came out)

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by MKinley on Sunday May 02, 2021 @11:22AM (#27016031)
Camscanner was one of my favourite apps! I had even paid for the pro version back before it sold. Then when it sold that actually meant nothing, and now I have a "pro" app that is useless essentially.

If anyone has good alternative suggestions I'm open, I haven't tried to look as I don't use it much anymore.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by brunno on Sunday May 02, 2021 @06:37PM (#27019688)
Microsoft Office Lens is free and really good.

You can also do it natively now in iOS Files app and Android's Google Drive.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by MKinley on Monday May 03, 2021 @01:03PM (#27027634)
OK thanks! I will try those out!
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by moksly on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:25PM (#27010431)
The default assumption for many people will be that something which sells, but has a low rating, is a business opportunity.

The real business opportunity is the sale of the list of course. It’s sort of like selling shovels to and booze to gold diggers.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by jensvdh on Saturday May 01, 2021 @08:55PM (#27011383)
More like selling a map of gold veins to a gold digger in this instance.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:30PM (#27010477)
ha, hope you are not correct because i wont sell my list :)
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by jamestimmins on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:39PM (#27009612)
As an app developer, I spend a lot of time trying to find the right opportunities for apps to build. I'd happily spend $50 to cut down research time by a few hours.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by stirfish on Saturday May 01, 2021 @08:22PM (#27011210)
Do you ever develop apps to solve problems you personally have?
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by deadmutex on Saturday May 01, 2021 @09:54PM (#27011723)
I remember a story on Startup Podcast (by Gimlet media) about an atheist who looked at top 100 apps, and realized that there was an opportunity to build a better Bible app.

So, sometimes market research is very valuable. This risk you have for "solving problems you personally have" is that you can end up trying to build infra tooling like new databases.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by stirfish on Sunday May 02, 2021 @10:16AM (#27015508)
>sometimes market research is very valuable.

I agree! I didn't intent to discount market research.

>This risk you have for "solving problems you personally have" is that you can end up trying to build infra tooling like new databases.

...which is great and should be encouraged, if it's enjoyable! I was thinking more along the lines of an app store ratings scraper

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by jamestimmins on Sunday May 02, 2021 @12:22AM (#27012333)
Yeah but I got tired of making things nobody else used lol
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Sunday May 02, 2021 @04:33AM (#27013381)
thx i keep it free for now
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by Qwertious on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:48PM (#27011966)
If it's worth planning your business around, it's worth paying $5 for.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Sunday May 02, 2021 @04:34AM (#27013384)
nah i keep the list for free :)
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by speedplane on Sunday May 02, 2021 @02:41AM (#27012858)
> Can someone explain the value of such a list, am I missing something?

You can glean information about your competitors’ usage and advertising, which can help you optimize your own app’s advertising spend.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by bricemo on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:30PM (#27009551)
The strategy is to take one of these apps and build a better version of it. The market demand is there, validated through purchases. But the market is unsatisfied with the current solution. So if you can build a better solution then you have a well defined valuable product
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by pegas1 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @06:04PM (#27010301)
Learn marketing from these guys who can sell mediocre product.

Also, some might sell because their App resembles something popular so some users buy by mistake. Then make sure, it does not parasitise on your app!

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:10PM (#27009369)
well not sure if there is money in it, like said i cant tell if that guy with that list managed to sell anything :D

I dont think i will put on a pay wall, i will rather try to build a community.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:53PM (#27009703)
I just tried to add G2 to my list but they immediately get you on captcha, so they really dont wish to be crawled :D
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by amelius on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:29PM (#27009546)
Perhaps also keep a list of people who are currently implementing improved versions of these apps, to minimize the possibility of redundant work.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:49PM (#27010200)
yeap this is a social feature i will work on, actually thinking more about collaboration rather than competition but will see.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by shoto_io on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:21PM (#27009478)
Thanks for sharing this! Great idea!

Q: How do you evaluate if the apps are still being paid for?

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:49PM (#27010191)
good question, i cant tell how many people did actually pay and when was the last time someone did. I guess its up to you to do the research further. One can at least often see when the last comment was posted.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by akudha on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:51PM (#27008264)
Do you know if scraping this data violates their ToS?
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by chuckgreenman on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:22PM (#27009041)
Even if it is, it doesn't matter. The US Court of Appeals created precedent that allows for the scraping and aggregation of publicly published information with that LinkedIn case.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by geuis on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:28PM (#27009085)
Got a link for this? Could open up some possibilities.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by chuckgreenman on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:33PM (#27009119)
Here's the actual case:

https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca9/17...

There is an attached PDF with the full decision, Pages 27, 28 on reference some related cases that informed the decision.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by DaiPlusPlus on Saturday May 01, 2021 @10:02PM (#27011756)
> publicly published information

Is Apple’s iOS App Store “public” though? Ostensibly it’s only open to Apple customers with an iOS device: accessing App Store pages in a web-browser just redirects you to the App Store.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by ElFitz on Saturday May 01, 2021 @11:31PM (#27012151)
> accessing App Store pages in a web-browser just redirects you to the App Store.

Not if you are on an non-Apple device. Or access an iOS App Store page from a Mac. The pages show just fine.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by bahmboo on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:16PM (#27008487)
Google's entire business is scraping websites
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by catillac on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:43PM (#27008689)
Maybe that’s a reason to not feel bad if it violates the TOS but there are real consequences to doing so so perhaps your response isn’t that helpful.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by reader_mode on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:45PM (#27009201)
>but there are real consequences to doing so

What consequences ? Breaking ToS can get your account suspended if you even need an account for doing this, not sure what else breaking the TOS really implies.

I don't know if Google can claim ownership of this data as it's customer generated and publically available.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by AznHisoka on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:37PM (#27010098)
If anyone really wanted to stop you, they would put up an anti scraping mechanism like Imperva and not even bother with legal action.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by luxuryballs on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:25PM (#27010887)
But mostly people are old or don’t care about solutions when they are too busy so it’s easier just to throw money at a lawyer and cause you trouble.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by intricatedetail on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:45PM (#27008710)
Shouldn't that be caught by anti-trust laws? Google does not pay websites for scraping, so anyone should be entitled to scrap Google to their hearts content.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by namdnay on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:47PM (#27008729)
Websites can choose whether to be scraped or not, and google respects that choice
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by k4rli on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:55PM (#27008800)
To be fair if being scraped were opt-in (Robots Inclusion Standard?) instead of opt-out, we might have a completely different technological world. Who knows.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by intricatedetail on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:03PM (#27008876)
By creating an account and using their webmaster tools giving up even more of your data?
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by mitchdoogle on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:19PM (#27009022)
No you just have to put a noindex header on requests to your website
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by intricatedetail on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:26PM (#27009523)
So they still can use up my resources?
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by Google234 on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:41PM (#27009626)
How can they know without looking? Again, you could also use the webmasters tools to block it...
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by uglygoblin on Saturday May 01, 2021 @05:57PM (#27010262)
Robots.txt can accomplish the same thing which means they periodically grab a single text file from you.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by account42 on Monday May 03, 2021 @10:07AM (#27025253)
> robots.txt can accomplish the same thing

Not exactly - robots.txt will prevent Google from crawling the page but it might still show up in search results (without a snippet or your page title) based on how others link to it.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by Google234 on Sunday May 02, 2021 @06:43AM (#27013990)
How dare they!
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by hire_charts on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:53PM (#27008778)
It's nice of google to respect the choice to effectively become undiscoverable to anyone searching for your product.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by ben_w on Saturday May 01, 2021 @04:09PM (#27009361)
You sound like you have a third opinion, one which would allow a website to appear on Google in response to user searches without Google knowing anything about what the website contains?
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by DangitBobby on Saturday May 01, 2021 @07:11PM (#27010770)
No, they are sarcastically indicating that you don't really have a choice, because if you aren't indexed by Google, practically speaking, you might as well not have a website.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by fooey on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:50PM (#27009232)
Sure, but they don't scrape anyone who opts out
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by davidgh on Saturday May 01, 2021 @03:05PM (#27008887)
In the US, there was a ruling a couple of years ago that gives some legal clarity to scraping data made publicly available (in favor of the scrapers) in the hiQ vs. LinkedIn case. You can read more about it here https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2019/09/victory-ruling-hiq-v-l...
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by Scoundreller on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:54PM (#27008296)
Dunno about Atlassian and Shopify, but I can’t imagine Google launching a case against someone for scraping them.

I guess robots.txt is all that really matters.

Here’s Play Store’s: https://play.google.com/robots.txt

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by akudha on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:00PM (#27008350)
This data is quite valuable and services like this aren't competing with these app stores. If anything, they are probably inviting more competition to the app stores resulting in better apps.

There is no reason for these companies to go after some small guy scraping the app store data. But who knows - Craigslist went after one man shops. These companies might too.

Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by minnehaha on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:59PM (#27008345)
agreed, provided the crawler complies with robots.txt
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Saturday May 01, 2021 @02:27PM (#27008562)
hm not sure how/if they will react if this blows up but it wont stop me for now.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by dkdk8283 on Sunday May 02, 2021 @05:04AM (#27013548)
Will the scraper code ever be open source?
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by lambdasquirrel on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:36PM (#27008126)
Cool idea. I’m not able to find some well-used apps with the search, like Headspace. So as we say, it’s about the execution.
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by yoz-y on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:57PM (#27008322)
Headspace is there, but you need to set the filter to 0usd min (the app is free) and max rating to 100 (the app is rated 92%)
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by lambdasquirrel on Sunday May 02, 2021 @02:55AM (#27012915)
hmm, interesting... my search term was "meditation"
Re:List of apps people pay for but have low rating by visox on Saturday May 01, 2021 @01:38PM (#27008146)
hmm shame, maybe remove some filters, maybe there are no hated apps like that.