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Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by crazygringo on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:23AM (#26531119)
I love this concept, I just really want one with an e-ink screen instead.

I think there's a great niche for "embedded" devices around the home -- weather readout panels, lighting controls, music player, intercom, etc. -- but glowing rectangles mounted to the wall are just too... glowing. E-ink panels is where it's at, and a Raspberry Pi powering it is perfect.

Unfortunately, the only real general-purpose e-ink tablet I'm aware of is the Boox, but their models are all $400-800, which is way too expensive (when similar tech in a Kindle is $80).

All I want is a relatively low-power, low-memory, low-storage touchscreen e-paper tablet (i.e. specs of an old Kindle) that I can run Linux and a WebKit browser on.

And I want them to be cheap enough in bulk so that other companies and startups can build home devices on top of them to resell.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by solarkraft on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:27PM (#26531568)
A friend & I have a dream of building an E-reader based on the 10" ED097OC4 E-ink display that was built into the Kindle DX and can now be had for around 30€ (old stock?).

Most parts of the stack are conceptually figured out:

A Pine64 SOPINE module (comparable to the Raspi CM, but cheaper), a Linux DRM driver based on tinydrm (https://github.com/notro/tinydrm) or gud (https://github.com/notro/gud/), as panel driver either vroland's ESP32 based EPDiy (https://hackaday.io/project/168193-epdiy-976-e-paper-control...) or a custom FPGA solution.

What's really missing and I just can't figure out is how to get a touch input layer on there. Because the format is so weird there's just nothing available off the shelf at a fitting size. Cutting a larger one to size doesn't seem feasible (or is it?), perhaps the most DIYable would be an infrared solution like early kindles and old larger touch screens have, but on that topic there's a distinct lack of information (best I could find is this EEVblog video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnZ9KfJNjRQ).

A button-only navigation would really suck, since even KOReader (the absolute minimum application to run, preferable would be a full Wayland desktop) doesn't seem to be compatible with that.

I figure this is the best place to ask: Does anyone have an idea how this could be solved? Also, would anyone be interested in E-reader kits like that?

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by c-cube on Sunday March 21, 2021 @05:51PM (#26534445)
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by sydd on Sunday March 21, 2021 @06:12PM (#26534625)
This looks great! Except that the sizes are not my favourite... a 6" one and a 9.7" one.. I think the ideal size for a small tablet/ebook reader is 8". Also I dislike the huge bezels of the devices, I wonder if it would be possible to make with minimal bezels.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by solarkraft on Monday March 22, 2021 @06:17AM (#26538819)
This is one of my main motivations. I also hate bezels. Unfortunately there's just no touch layer that would allow small ones :(

If you want an 8" device there's a fairly good market around 300€ already, with my favorite being the Kobo Forma and the Kindle Oasis also being worth a look (along with some others). Both have fairly small bezels on 3 sides and a thick one on one for holding.

My dream would look about like those devices, but yeah - the touch panel issue. I can't imagine a decent UX just based on buttons yet. One possible way forward is finding/making/retrofitting a reader app that is buttom navigable and maybe having a thinkpad nib as a fallback, but I'm not too sure about that since it'd compromise the UX fairly significantly, I'd say.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by teleforce on Monday March 22, 2021 @08:00AM (#26539611)
There is a new 8" tablet with e-reader and note taking capability with color e-ink from Onyx [1].

[1]https://onyxboox.com/boox_nova3color

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by Abishek_Muthian on Sunday March 21, 2021 @01:41PM (#26532242)
All the best with your endeavor, If it works out consider an external E-ink display for the next project as there's a needgap[1] for it.

[1] https://needgap.com/problems/43-affordable-e-ink-large-exter... (Disclaimer : It's my platform).

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by sitkack on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @07:03AM (#26565659)
I would go with after market replacement parts for an existing tablet like

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000899975285.html

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by tomcooks on Monday March 22, 2021 @04:32AM (#26538147)
Let people use a usb or bluetooth keyboard/touch surface
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by goliatone on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:51AM (#26531301)
There is the m5paper[1] that is around $80 with shipping. It uses an esp32 and is arduino compatible, and the provided libraries are pretty good.

[1] https://docs.m5stack.com/#/en/core/m5paper

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by ianthehenry on Sunday March 21, 2021 @01:41PM (#26532240)
Oh my gosh. I've spent hours looking for something like this, and was never able to find one. Unfortunately they're out of stock right now, but I'll be ordering one as soon as I can. Thanks!
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by qwertox on Sunday March 21, 2021 @05:18PM (#26534168)
I once bought a small E-Paper display [1] for a Raspi, and was very disappointed with the refresh rate, it was useless.

I wanted to use it to display room temperature and electrical information like home power consumption, solar panel power generation and stuff like that, and expected a refresh rate of around 1 update per second.

Having it blink and do stuff for around 7 seconds just to redraw the next frame made me send it back and replace it with a small LCD touchscreen [2].

[1] Waveshare 1.54 Inch E-Paper Raw Display Panel(B) V2,200x200 Resolution,3.3v [ https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B074P32F9B ]

[2] ELEGOO Display 3.5" Zoll TFT LCD Touch Screen Monitor 480x320 für Raspberry Pi mit Allen Daten und Touch Pen (SPI Schnittstelle) [ https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B01JRUH0CY ]

Edit:

Look at all that needs to happen just to update the minute counter as well as the temperature and humidity. It certainly is faster than the colored display I bought, but still, do you really want such a flashing display? https://youtu.be/v9sNzmtMSXo?t=164

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by dfox on Sunday March 21, 2021 @06:41PM (#26534830)
This apparently is about driving the ePaper correctly to produce intended image and not just using it as dumb framebuffer. The demo firmware for above mentioned M5Paper seems to have some support for intelligent driving of the display, sadly this is mostly not exposed to the (currently marked as alpha) MicroPython implementation for the device, where it only supports full (ie. "blinking") updates of rectangular regions.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by sydd on Sunday March 21, 2021 @06:16PM (#26534643)
Waveshare has some displays with really nice refresh rates, I bought a 6" one with ~300ms refresh rate: https://www.waveshare.com/6inch-HD-e-Paper-HAT.htm
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by tomcooks on Monday March 22, 2021 @04:39AM (#26538189)
Pity it deteriorates with ultraviolet rays
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by jodrellblank on Sunday March 21, 2021 @04:30PM (#26533695)
> "I love this concept, I just really want one with an e-ink screen instead."

How close would a hand-crank mechanism be to driving an e-ink tablet for a useful amount of time? A quick look at a clockwork crank-wind-up torch shows it has 300mAh battery and 30hrs of blinking SOS LED on a full charge, and they claim 1min of winding gives it 2hrs of blinking LED, so roughly 20mAh per minute of winding. How much computing can one do in 20mAh?

"Clockwork radio" and no-battery crystal radios must be quite low power, and one approach for e-ink screens is to only update a small changed area of screen at once. The FireBeetle ESP32 can deep-sleep on 0.011mA [1] and reference is at 39mA. Maybe 1min of clowkwork winding could drive it at reference power for 30 mins, and half-power for an hour?

What kind of computing UX/UI/OS could there be with primarily audio feedback[2] using a low power earphone, e-Ink style screen updated only on demand?

I carried on this thought to "treadle powered computer" thinking of a flywheel, and found someone has built one: https://scoraigwind.co.uk/2010/07/treadle-powered-computer/ which seems to be generating around 6 Watts and running a laptop.

[1] https://diyi0t.com/reduce-the-esp32-power-consumption/

[2] http://emacspeak.sourceforge.net/ - EMACSPEAK computing interface for the blind. Also ref the classic `ed` editor which doesn't print unless you ask, because it was from the days of printing on paper

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by SimianLogic2 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @01:43PM (#26532260)
Seconded. I looked into this at the start of the Pandemic -- there are a few crap ones on Amazon. I couldn't get them to work with my phone. I'd love to just have a set of web bookmarks and be able to load those or send it a URL from my device or even a page out of Notion.

My main use case: when I'm following a recipe, my devices go to sleep in a minute or two and it's a huge pain in the ass to wake it up and type in passwords while covered in sauce or flour or raw meat or whatever. I've started printing (or writing) recipes on blank paper just so I can move them around the kitchen and not worry about things going to sleep on me.

The press would eat it up with snark (Silicon Valley invents recipe cards. ha ha ha ha ha so clever!), but I don't want a rolodex full of cardboard that I have to stick in a drawer somewhere and sort/manage.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by gbear605 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @04:49PM (#26533857)
It seems like the simple solution is just to change your phone’s sleep settings when you know you’re going to be cooking
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by SimianLogic2 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @08:43PM (#26535538)
Because there's nothing I love more than fiddling with obtuse settings menus just to have to do it again in couple of hours. This would maybe be acceptable if there was a charm/quick toggle like they do with Do Not Disturb, but I'd rather print it or write it than change the settings and then remember to change them back later.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by SamBam on Sunday March 21, 2021 @09:49PM (#26535991)
I am surprised phones (I'll only speak for Android) don't make it easier to say "don't automatically sleep for the next 30 minutes."

I know individual apps can turn off sleep. The browsers ought to also be better at recognizing that you're looking at a recipe, and keep the phone from falling asleep.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by yjftsjthsd-h on Monday March 22, 2021 @01:38AM (#26537172)
My phones have a quick tile called "Caffeine" that lets you disable sleep for 5/10/30 minutes. I guess this might be limited to custom ROMs, but it absolutely exists.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by jimktrains2 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:07PM (#26531415)
Remarkable tablets are pretty hackable. They run Linux and let you ssh in and install othwr software by default. The screen is also a decent size and touch sensitive.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by broabprobe on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:46PM (#26536648)
after reading https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26531119 I searched the page for Remarkable. It could be the Linux tablet of our collective dreams if enough developers notice it...
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by eloeffler on Monday March 22, 2021 @04:39AM (#26538195)
There are already some very skilled people active in the homebrew community. It runs Qt applications and up until recently, the company also published the developer toolchain (which will hopefully return soon).

Most of the device is Open Source and the compliance section gives you the root password of the device that has ssh via usb enabled by default.

There are also initial (unpolished) solutions for encrypting files with gocryptfs.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by rektide on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:43AM (#26531254)
When do the Pixel Qi / One Laptop Per Child (OLPC) / XO-PC screen patents expire? :) Why not both? :)

Update: oh holy shit, John Gilmore was a Pixel Qi investor, bought the patents to help the company close cleanly rather than go bankrupt, and licenses the patents with an generally-available Defensive Patent License[1]! What a story!!! Thanks John! Pixel Qi is from ~2010, so he's better than halved the time it took to get this amazing technology legally accessible to the world. The gotcha is that it's a somewhat "copy-left" gnu like license, so anyone unwilling to open some of their own patents for use (or not holding patents) is going to have to go to John to get these built, until these patents expire.

Just a quick word on the Pixel Qi screen, it's a LCD screen with a normal transflective mode, but it can also switch into a reflective black and white mode that works great outdoors. 10" 1024x600 screens go for a bit over $100 today.

[1] https://goodereader.com/blog/electronic-readers/the-rise-and...

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by baybal2 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:20PM (#26531510)
It's a big problem to get active matrix monochrome displays these days, let alone reflective ones.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by numpad0 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @03:17PM (#26533041)
Like the ones used in Chitu Systems SLA resin printers(Elegoo, Anycubic, Creality...)?
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by baybal2 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @06:03PM (#26534562)
From first look, they use colour ones.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by Sunspark on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:47PM (#26531755)
Hisense sells a transflective monochrome LCD android tablet.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by baybal2 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @06:02PM (#26534547)
Very likely it's a custom order panel. I would very like to see a teardown.

The whites are still quite bad I can see already, it has no special high whiteness polariser.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by GekkePrutser on Sunday March 21, 2021 @07:22PM (#26535069)
License or not, if nobody bothers to make them it's still not going anywhere :'(

I'd love to have one too, I live in Spain and it would really help with outdoor use in the sun.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by alex-a-soto on Monday March 22, 2021 @10:39AM (#26541453)
At EI-2030, we're working on developing an e-ink laptop.

We have two working groups. One's creating an e-ink laptop, and the other is using a low-power CPU/MCU with an e-ink display.

If interested, check us out at the EI-2030 forum or join our Discord channel.

https://forum.ei2030.org/c/working-groups/26 https://discord.com/invite/nnxKnxh

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by darknavi on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:29AM (#26531152)
Yes! I want a Home Assistant panel in my house but don't want to hack together some old Android monstrosity.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by Risse on Monday March 22, 2021 @04:53AM (#26538291)
I did something similar, Raspberry Pi with e-ink display hooked up with HA API etc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0sHtZqs8Go
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by wojciechpolak on Monday March 22, 2021 @04:18AM (#26538060)
Me too. I'd like to have a cheap HA panel in each room. This CutiePi looks promising. I hope HA community will quickly support it and create some nice solutions.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by bbernhard90 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @01:25PM (#26532084)
A few months ago I built a E-ink picture frame, which displays an image that was taken today but x years ago. The picture frame now stands on my desk and already brought back some really nice memories.

In case anyone is interested: https://mindfulbytes.io/

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by mightyRodri on Monday March 22, 2021 @06:19AM (#26538828)
I like this function on google devices to spark memories of old travel trips.

Without the Lena photo the side would be even cooler ;). https://www.nature.com/articles/s41565-018-0337-2

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by lnsru on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:07PM (#26531413)
Your comparison is wrong. Kindle isn’t being sold with sustainable profit. A hardware company couldn’t operate with that margin. Plus Kindle has a huge volume. Not really comparable with an e-ink tablet what makes latter even more expensive.

You can get for that money 7,5” e-paper hat for Raspberry Pi. It goes for 71,99€ on German Amazon.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by kvirani on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:12PM (#26531451)
They aren't saying that it needs to be $80. Just not 10x that price.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by profsnuggles on Sunday March 21, 2021 @01:56PM (#26532391)
Well a kindle is actually $110 when it's not ad supported and boox is selling a comparable device for $185. So very similarly priced.

I would suspect the boox actually has more capable hardware because it needs to run android 10. I don't care enough to check though.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by mastazi on Sunday March 21, 2021 @06:23PM (#26534690)
Kindle is not just subsidised by ads, the business model is based on the fact that you are going to buy ebooks. I wouldn't be surprised if the non-ad-supported Kindle was also being produced at a loss, just like the ad-supported model.

You are right that $185 might be a more realistic pricing, but that's a 68% increase over the price of the $110 Kindle so I wouldn't say that they are similarly priced.

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by julianlam on Sunday March 21, 2021 @01:38PM (#26532205)
The stopgap solution for this is pascalw's kindle-dash[1]. I set it up on my jailbroken kindle and now it displays some headlines, my google calendar events, and the weather (via OpenWeatherMap API)

Last time it was on HN: [2]

[1] https://github.com/pascalw/kindle-dash

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25939042

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by t0r0nat0r on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:33PM (#26531620)
I got the BOOX Note 3 and it somewhat dooes what I need it to. It’s mind boggling to me, however, that nobody has tapped into this market yet. I think Lenovo even made a laptop which had one e-ink as well as a regular display, but used the e-ink display in place of the keyboard. That just felt like they were rubbing it in tbh.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by tluyben2 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @01:39PM (#26532224)
I have the note 3 as well and it would be rather perfect for many things if it would have a SD card slot.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by kemonocode on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:38AM (#26531216)
I'm sure it has been stated before but I do wonder why e-ink displays remain still so out of reach even though the sort of parents that were encumbering them have expired? It really does seem that anything that involves e-ink panels comes with a huge markup.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by notRobot on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:06PM (#26531409)
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by adkadskhj on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:25PM (#26531555)
The CLEARink product in that thread looks _amazing_. Super excited to see that come to market. I'd buy a dozen of those displays for pairings with Pi's around the house.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by ezluckyfree on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:58AM (#26531351)
I think that the initial Eink tech wasn't really suited for a general purpose computer. There have been recent advancements that fixed a lot of the issues, but this technology is still new and expensive.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by niutech on Tuesday March 23, 2021 @08:09AM (#26554076)
Why don't you repurpose cheap e-book readers, such as Kobo, which run Linux? https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Debian_Linux_on_a_Kobo or BQ Cervantes: https://github.com/bq/cervantes or you can root the Nook e-reader running Android or you can check out the Open Book Project: https://github.com/joeycastillo/The-Open-Book
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by throwaway81523 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @03:17PM (#26533054)
Inkplate 6 looks good to me on paper, though I haven't seen a real one yet. https://www.crowdsupply.com/e-radionica/inkplate-6
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by bbernhard90 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @04:41PM (#26533783)
The Inkplate 6 works pretty well - I am using it for my digital picture frame. The only disappointing thing for me is, that they haven't released the actual source files (Eagle, Kicad, etc..) for the hardware yet. [1]

[1] https://github.com/e-radionicacom/Inkplate-6-hardware/issues...

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by hauget on Monday March 22, 2021 @04:53PM (#26546857)
Consider the Ares Lifebook $289, 7.8in and runs Android :) https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0814RYMNF
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by hauget on Wednesday March 24, 2021 @02:34PM (#26571235)
Why the downvote? It's a decent eink tablet.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by imrelaxed on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:50AM (#26531292)
You can buy a 7.5” e-ink hat for the RPI for around 60$.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by CharlesW on Sunday March 21, 2021 @11:59AM (#26531360)
I can find some for $150-250. Can you share links to less expensive options?
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by sydd on Sunday March 21, 2021 @06:30PM (#26534750)
Look at waveshare's website. Get one with a HAT if the description says it needed, and always check out the refresh rate, it varies wildly (from ~0.5 secs to 15+ secs)

I think they are Waveshare's supplier, you might even get cheaper/more specific stuff: https://www.good-display.com/product/6/

Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by fnord123 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:15PM (#26531470)
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by darness-2 on Sunday March 21, 2021 @01:44PM (#26532268)
Ty. I was also looking for this.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by hedora on Sunday March 21, 2021 @12:28PM (#26531576)
I wonder if the orange tab can be folded over without damaging it.
Re:CutiePi – A Raspberry Pi 4 tablet by snypher on Monday March 22, 2021 @01:09AM (#26537051)
It can at the adapter board end, but not at the screen end as it has components mounted to it (!).