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Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by mimikatz on Sunday February 14, 2021 @09:28PM (#26138398)
Texas is shockingly green when it comes to power. The windmills have frozen and it is the winter when there isn't as much sun. Most people are on a contract with fixed pricing, but some startups like Griddy are hurting people's wallets. We will likely see some retail electric company bankrupcies. Some of the electric providers are paying customers to move to someone else on Monday.

The Joke is all the Californians who immigrated brought the blackouts with them.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by Rapzid on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:59PM (#26138905)
Just to add some numbers; we(Texas) have over 31,000MW of installed wind energy capacity. No other state comes close.

Probably a lot of things people find shocking about Texas when compared to its reputation lol.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by ericbarrett on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:45AM (#26139840)
Driving through Amarillo on I-40, the number of windmills on the plains compared to even two years ago is mind-blowing. Saw lots of trucks carrying new blades etc. as well.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by briandear on Monday February 15, 2021 @09:02AM (#26142832)
Where do all those blades go when they reach end of life?
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by ssully on Monday February 15, 2021 @10:51AM (#26143835)
Currently they go in landfills, but there are programs[1] starting up to recycle them.

[1]: https://www.utilitydive.com/news/ge-announces-first-us-wind-...

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by heyflyguy on Monday February 15, 2021 @10:44AM (#26143756)
A giant graveyard outside Sweetwater, Texas. It's a blight in every way. You cannot recycle this stuff.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by txlpo78 on Monday February 15, 2021 @11:44AM (#26144344)
Are you talking about this?

Global Fiberglass Solutions Of West Texas https://goo.gl/maps/od4YB3MubUqT5B6a9

It’s a field about 600x600 feet. I wouldn’t call that “giant”, it’s about the size of a typical warehouse and certainly smaller than most landfills. And according to some brief searches on the internet, they are indeed being recycled.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by heyflyguy on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:22PM (#26144756)
I didn't know they can be recycled, and that is not the only graveyard. I appreciate the fact that we have differing opinions on the size of giant!
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by bluGill on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:47AM (#26141837)
Iowa comes close. Sure it is a third, but on vastly less land area.
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Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by nyokodo on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:36AM (#26140133)
Texas has 5X the population of Denmark and 5X the wind energy generation. That doesn’t sound like a great justification for your smug comment. Also, that is current generation as the rate of increase of wind and solar appears to far outstrip Denmark on a per capita basis. If the WSJ is reliable, Texas is supposed to add an additional ~17GW of solar by 2023, reaching 21GW![1] If they reach that it’d beat Denmark’s 2030 goal by 23% and 7 years on a per capita basis.[2]

1. https://www.wsj.com/articles/solar-power-booms-in-texas-1160...

2. https://um.dk/en/news/newsdisplaypage/?newsid=25147b44-3dce-...

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by tolien on Monday February 15, 2021 @04:54AM (#26141063)
Per capita doesn't seem like the most useful measure here unless you're expecting people to spin the turbines by hand. Texas has (by GP's numbers) 16 times the land area and 2.5x the annual sunshine hours [1,2] (given Texas's proximity to the equator relative to Denmark, I'd be shocked if those hours didn't confer significantly more power too) but "only" 5x the generation?

Edit: Of course, it's 5x the wind power. For solar power in Texas and Denmark the difference is about 4x - 4,324.3 versus 1,079 MW [3, 4] so the point stands that Texas still has a way to go relative to the resources available to them.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_sunshine_dur...

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark#Climate

3: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Denmark

4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_Texas

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by kgermino on Monday February 15, 2021 @07:44AM (#26142186)
> Per capita doesn't seem like the most useful measure here unless you're expecting people to spin the turbines by hand.p

“Percentage of energy generated” is probably better, but per-capita is better than per-acre. Broadly speaking, people use power, not cornfields.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by tolien on Monday February 15, 2021 @08:20AM (#26142449)
Not when acres directly correlate with the amount of energy being generated. The Sahara has very few people but would be ripe energy-generation space.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by DetroitThrow on Monday February 15, 2021 @08:57AM (#26142778)
I think far-off deserts aren't nearly lofty enough in the context of which nations are furthest ahead in renewable energy generation...

Why not set the baseline with Mercury? That's an entire planet with much more solar capacity than any measly desert!

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by tolien on Monday February 15, 2021 @09:21AM (#26142952)
I mean, if we're going for complete absurdity why not build a Dyson Sphere?

Getting back into the real world (and the original point, although accidentally I think you've made my point that energy generated per-capita isn't relevant) and putting aside that there are actual thoughts to build a solar farm in the north Sahara [1]...

Texas has lots of surface area currently used by agriculture so while it's cute to suggest cornfields don't need electrical power there's a conversation about whether there's space which could productively generate power and send it over the grid which the rest of the state (and through HVDC interconnects, the rest of North America) is connected to?

1: https://theconversation.com/solar-panels-in-sahara-could-boo...

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by chrisrogers on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:08AM (#26139979)
Texas' population is 29 million. Denmark's is 5.8 million. So the scale is remarkably equivalent.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by Kokichi on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:47AM (#26141420)
Why are you comparing figures like that? Is the land itself using the energy generated from those turbines?
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by roenxi on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:13AM (#26139661)
It'll be interesting, when the dust settles, to see how this event squares away with the regulator's risk modelling. My initial impression is there is a correlation between extreme power demand and renewable energy being unavailable that would not have been present for a nuclear or fossil fuel based system.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by eigenvector on Monday February 15, 2021 @02:09AM (#26139985)
ERCOT is pretty good about releasing their event analysis after the fact.

I think the main issue with renewables is not inherent unreliability but that grid operators do not understand the potential contingencies as well as with conventional generation sources.

SPP has put out some good analyzes of recent max generation events there involving large amounts of wind being unavailable in cold snaps. It turns out no one at SPP bothered to ask wind turbine owners what temperatures they were capable of operating in and some wind operators didn't buy the cold weather package for turbines despite installing them in the Midwest. So generation availability forecasting didn't take into account the real capabilities of generators - a clear failure in operational planning.

This is more of a regulatory issue than a technical one. The machines can operate at -40 C, but someone has to actually spec that functionality and ensure that the associated subcomponents (heaters etc) are properly maintained.

There is a new NERC reliability standard in the drafting stage for this.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by a9h74j on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:03AM (#26141535)
Somewhat off topic, but are regulators also considering mandating Basalt rebar in wind tower foundations, prohibiting steel rebar?

I don't know what the re-use story is for foundation plus tower, but it seems to me a bad idea to start with the assumption of rusting out the foundations.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by eigenvector on Monday February 15, 2021 @08:29PM (#26149919)
I haven't heard of that here in North America, but I'll add that I'm not up to speed on global developments.

In general, wind turbine foundations are considered to have a fixed lifespan of 25-30 years. If re-powering occurs at end of life, it may be with a larger turbine that requires a new foundation anyway, so not much thought is given to foundation re-use.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by nickysielicki on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:11PM (#26138637)
Griddy literally emailed every customer yesterday and told them to switch providers asap.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by dehrmann on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:18PM (#26139037)
I hope they get some sort of a surcharge for this. Part of what you pay for with a big utility is for them to eat weird price fluctuations. Getting grid pricing just when it's convenient is cheating the system.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by DavidPeiffer on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:22AM (#26139721)
It sounds like Texas has a substantially different market than most of the rest of the country, by typically utilities are heavily regulated. I would be curious how the other market players react to this (perhaps requesting more regulation).

It kinda feels like someone who could have gotten insurance but declined getting coverage until after learning they have cancer. That's certainly not the spirit of how insurance is supposed to work (spreading tail-end risk across a pool of people), and if everyone acted that way, it would be far from sustainable.

As a whole people are poor at assessing low probability risks. Low probability high cost risks pose a big threat. Letting people get spot pricing may help the market be more efficient, but considering many people would struggle to pay a $200 unexpected bill, it does feel odd to let everyone do spot pricing if they want. For many people, even having one bill that was double normal would financial headaches, much less 10x!

Giving consumers spot pricing feels like having everyday people selling naked call options. It may work fine for a really long time, but when the strategy blows up, it has unlimited liability potential.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by mbreese on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:45AM (#26139500)
Probably not a surcharge, but maybe a minimum contract length? I don’t know if that’s possible (legally). But, I imagine that a utility would want to make sure that a customer who switched providers to avoid these wholesale prices would want to ensure that the customer would stick around long enough to make sense financially.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by rstupek on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:14AM (#26139672)
The contract lengths yield different prices. griddy has referral recommendations for several 1 month contracts through different providers until prices stabilize
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by shiftpgdn on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:13PM (#26138650)
Yep. I was on track for a $5000 electric bill at the end of the week. I got switched over yesterday. Still going to be painful but not horrible.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by conductr on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:04AM (#26139605)
I’ve been half ignoring them because they tend to cry wolf with the high price emails. But this is no joke, I checked current rate which is $9.01/kWh. I immediately switched back to my old provider.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by slater on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:14PM (#26138653)
$5k?!?!? How?!
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by shiftpgdn on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:37PM (#26138775)
My house normally uses 70kwh/day. We have an electric heater and with this cold weather we were on track to use 150-200kwh day. At $5/kwh for 5 days of 200kwh due to the cold puts me at $5,000.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by pfdietz on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:27PM (#26139098)
It would make sense for you to turn off your water, drain all the pipes, turn off the heat and go somewhere else for a few days.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by tonyedgecombe on Monday February 15, 2021 @09:14AM (#26142903)
and go somewhere else for a few days

Or put a tent up in the living room.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by pilom on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:08PM (#26138964)
Holy cow! How in the world do you use that much? My old house in Colorado would use ~350kwh/month. Swap out that electric heater for a heat pump asap!
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by shiftpgdn on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:13PM (#26139002)
Big house (3700sqft or so), tall ceilings, four people working/schooling from home and an electric car as the primary family car. In 2019 I literally did not turn the heater on a single time, I don't think the investment in a heat pump would be worth it.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by jbm on Monday February 15, 2021 @03:14AM (#26140342)
We have colder weather where I live, but I see I used 550 kwh per month (at most). Even if my house is half your size, 70 kwh seems like a lot for a daily baseline. I have a similar situation (kids at home studying, me working at home).

Does the the car that drives up your electricity usage that much?

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by shiftpgdn on Monday February 15, 2021 @11:23AM (#26144149)
Car adds about 500kwh/mo. During offpeak rates charging this amount cost between $1 and $12 for the month.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by dzhiurgis on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:05AM (#26139614)
Does your AC has not heating function (I assume everyone in Texas has AC)?
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by toast0 on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:46AM (#26139848)
I'm guessing most Texas AC systems don't have a reversing valve, and a defrost system and all the other goodies you need to run it for heat. It adds to the equipment cost when many years heat isn't needed, and if the temperatures are 10F, you'd still likely need other heat sources.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by dzhiurgis on Monday February 15, 2021 @05:15PM (#26148225)
> a defrost system

What does a defrost system includes? My dad manages a place where defrost system on one of the devices broke. Technician replaced something and hence it was fixed. IIRC it was temperature sensor. All defrost system does is periodically warms up the outside grill basically. It used to get stuck at -15C or so.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by toast0 on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:12PM (#26148910)
That's the gist. It's not much, but if the outside unit is iced over, there's not going to be a lot of heat exchange into the working fluid, so you're not going to get heat into your conditioned environment.

So, a defrost system will include a temperature sensor, and a resistance heater, and often something to signal the inside unit to run the emergency/auxiliary heat until (unless) the outside unit can get up to a temperature where it will work.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by lgats on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:00AM (#26139586)
Heat pump systems can sometimes be an upgrade to standard air conditioning systems
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by selimthegrim on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:06AM (#26139628)
Have you seen how houses are insulated in TX/LA?
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by bluGill on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:53AM (#26141877)
New construction is actually pretty good in Texas. But most houses are not new and have little.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by sangnoir on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:13AM (#26139344)
A don't think a heat pump would help them in this weather.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by dzhiurgis on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:05AM (#26139619)
Modern ones and designed for purpose go to -20C.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by happosai on Monday February 15, 2021 @03:17AM (#26140356)
I bet absolutely nobody in texas asked "how efficent is the heatpump at -20c" when buying them. Same reason why all the windmills froze: "would like this wind mill model that produces eletricity at -20, or this cheaper one that freezes at 0c?"
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by bluGill on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:54AM (#26141884)
No, but those who make heat pumps know that to sell in the north people care so they try to make one model that works anywhere.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by etimberg on Monday February 15, 2021 @10:06AM (#26143372)
Even higher this morning. Up to ~ $6000/MWh or $6/kWh. http://www.ercot.com/content/cdr/contours/rtmLmp.html
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by oezi on Monday February 15, 2021 @06:47AM (#26141833)
Wow! European here. Family of 5 and we are at 8kwh per day. Total yearly electricity bill is < 1000 EUR.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by ev1 on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:17PM (#26138667)
$0.05 to $0.10/kWh seems like normal pricing.

Average US house uses ~1100-1200 kWh (I don't actually know this, based on googling, assuming most places in Texas are standalone houses) per month.

If prices are $3000-9000 per MW, then ~40 to 60 kWh/day (let's be generous, people are explicitly turning on heat for this extreme cold) for a week...

Even $2/kWh (which was exceeded days ago) would demolish peoples' budgets.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by maxerickson on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:27PM (#26138717)
I think most people are on fixed prices though. The supplier gets a big mark up over the wholesale cost and then is expected to have a plan to deal with situations like this.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by rstupek on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:34PM (#26138759)
Griddy is a different provider which gives you grid prices for power
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by maxerickson on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:35PM (#26138768)
Yeah, this is the answer to slater's question, that some people have signed up for exposure to wholesale prices.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by ev1 on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:43AM (#26139484)
griddy's twitter is full of people angrily demanding refunds because "i signed up for cheaper rates and it's been cheaper til now why am i paying higher rates??? this is a scammer"
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by phonebanshee on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:53PM (#26138860)
Those prices are far below normal prices. Normal is 28-50 cents in places like San Diego (https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/energy-green/s...).
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by shiftpgdn on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:58PM (#26138900)
In Texas griddy exposes you to real time spot pricing. I was frequently getting paid to use electricity at night due to excess generation by wind. As an electric car owner this was fantastic as I frequently got paid to recharge my car. My average delivered rate before this week was 7c/kwh all in.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by tzs on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:11PM (#26138986)
Does anyone there get a battery system, like a Tesla Powerwall, to save up negative priced night electricity to use in the daytime?
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by rstupek on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:22PM (#26139054)
It doesn't happen enough that I've seen to make it worthwhile
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by manyes on Monday February 15, 2021 @08:56AM (#26142763)
Of course, during these cold snaps, the battery doesn't really work well, right?
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by tzs on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:47PM (#26145752)
Powerwalls have an operating temperature range of -4 F to 122 F (-20 C to 50 C), although they recommend 32-86 F (0-30 C).

They can also be mounted indoors.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by xxpor on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:15PM (#26139016)
CA power is hilariously expensive compared to the rest of the country. 10c is much closer to average.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by jeffbee on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:53PM (#26139236)
The weighted average price is 10.54¢ per kwh. In California it's 16. Both 5 and 35¢ are pretty poor estimates.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by kevinventullo on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:38AM (#26139454)
I paid $.36 last month living an hour north of SF.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by jeffbee on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:39AM (#26139464)
Average or marginal? Most PG&E customers have a “baseline allowance” with a higher marginal cost as you draw more energy over the month.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by kevinventullo on Wednesday February 17, 2021 @08:51PM (#26174492)
Marginal. I was doing a back-of-the-envelope calculation about getting an EV and realized that the $/mile cost to charge it would be about the same as paying for gasoline on a car which gets 30 mi/gallon.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by maxerickson on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:06PM (#26138950)
My power comes from, I believe, a nuclear plant in Wisconsin.

$0.098 per kW-h, with $15 a month connection fee.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by bfrog on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:22AM (#26139379)
Wi has a lot of coal by the lake, where is there a nuke? Chicago was almost all nukes at one point
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by khuey on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:11AM (#26139655)
Point Beach is still operating afaik. Kewaunee shut down several years ago though.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by Aloha on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:44PM (#26139189)
I'm paying 8.5-8.3 cent kWh on a fixed contract.

Power is very very very cheap in Texas.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by rstupek on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:42PM (#26138795)
They emailed, sent a phone notification and called their customers to tell them to switch
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by rootsudo on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:45PM (#26138809)
"The Joke is all the Californians who immigrated brought the blackouts with them. "

Ouch, yet wow.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by ryanmarsh on Sunday February 14, 2021 @09:48PM (#26138503)
>We will likely see some retail electric company bankrupcies.

REP's go bankrupt all the time, especially when the weather gets funny. As WallStreetsBets says, "Sir, this is a casino".

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by jeffbee on Monday February 15, 2021 @09:59AM (#26143306)
Texas fuels mix in 2019 was 20% coal, 47% natural gas. That's shocking, yes, but not green.

California's mix is 3% coal (2019 figures; in 2021 it is zero) and 34% natural gas, for comparison.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by s1artibartfast on Monday February 15, 2021 @10:51AM (#26143833)
Can you share your source? I wonder if you are looking at production or consumption numbers. California is the largest energy importer in the USA (25%) and my understanding is that the number 1 source for this power is coal and natural gas in Arizona and Utah.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by jeffbee on Monday February 15, 2021 @11:02AM (#26143936)
I'm looking at this source for California which includes imports. The main source of error is "unspecified" open market imports, but even if 100% of that is from fossil fuels, which seems unlikely, the worst-case error is another 7% of the total.

https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/califo...

Your understanding sounds completely fictional to me. Where did you come to believe that the primary source of imported power is Utah coal?

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by s1artibartfast on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:42PM (#26144999)
I didn't say Utah coal specifically. I said the leading sources were coal and natural gas from Arizona and Utah. I based this on theEIA. [1]

>In 2019, California’s net electricity imports were the largest in the country at 70.8 million megawatthours (MWh), or 25% of the state’s total electricity supply ... California utilities partly own and import power from several power plants in Arizona and Utah.

Arizona is ~75% coal and natural gas [2] Utah is ~80% and natural gas [3]

Looking at your link [4], 70% of California imports are "non-renewable and unspecified" and 75% of "non-renewable and unspecified" comes from the southwest (e.g. Arizona and Utah)

I think this brings us to the same conclusion that the number 1 source for imported electricity is coal and natural gas in Arizona and Utah. You are saying that a worst case for CA power is being 3-10% coal. I am talking about the worst case for CA imported power (which happens to be up to 37% coal)

[1] https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46156#:~:tex....

[2] https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=AZ#tabs-4

[3] https://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=UT#tabs-4

[4] https://www.energy.ca.gov/data-reports/energy-almanac/califo...

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by jeffbee on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:51PM (#26145108)
How does this materially affect the discussion, though? If Texas at 67% fossil fuels is "shockingly green" then California, with at most 45% fossil fuels, must be jaw-droppingly green or some such nonsense.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by s1artibartfast on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:43PM (#26145717)
I wanted to understand if the numbers you presented reflected a real snapshot of California's fossil fuel consumption or not.

I think the conclusion we came to is that the numbers you presented likely underestimate the fossil fuels, but there is still a big gap between Texas and California, and there is no material impact on the discussion. Thats OK.

I had an honest question about the data you presented, so I asked, and explained why I thought the data could be different.

You said my understanding was completely fictional, so I demonstrated that yes, in fact a significant portion of California imports come from fossil fuels.

Turns out that California's coal could be up to 3x the stated number, but is still less than Texas. My question is answered and hopefully we both understand the subject matter better now

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by MattGaiser on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:35PM (#26138767)
Griddy is basically a variable price for power? I checked their website, but it wasn't completely clear on that point (maybe because I don't understand Texas electrical billing).
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by maxerickson on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:48PM (#26138832)
Yeah, they pass through the wholesale prices. Most providers do some work to offer fixed retail prices (gaining when wholesale is cheap, losing when it's expensive). Most markets in the US have some sort of system for matching supply and demand, often a wholesale market.

https://www.epa.gov/greenpower/us-electricity-grid-markets has a picture of the various wholesale markets.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by rstupek on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:48PM (#26138830)
Yes you pay a monthly fee and get the grid price. Typically this is a great deal but when these surges happen it isn't
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by pickle-wizard on Monday February 15, 2021 @11:50AM (#26144408)
I was on Griddy for about 9 months a couple of years ago.

Until one very hot August, when the wholesale price hit $10/kWh in the afternoon. My power bill for one day was $130. I didn't even wait till the end of the month. I switched back to my old power company that afternoon. Thankfully they were able to switch me back the next morning.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by Scoundreller on Monday February 15, 2021 @12:44PM (#26145021)
Trick is to set up a couple transfer switches and make a deal with your neighbour on a fixed rate plan. Could do it just for the air conditioner and gain most of the savings.

We’re you able to set up anything interesting to take advantage of ebbs and flows in rates?

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by pickle-wizard on Monday February 15, 2021 @01:28PM (#26145541)
No I never did. Griddy didn't have an API by the time I left. I had thought about setting up something to scrap the data from ERCOT's page, but decided it wasn't worth the effort.
Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by v64 on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:07PM (#26138959)
> Some of the electric providers are paying customers to move to someone else on Monday.

I'm on a fixed rate plan and my provider just offered me $150 to change, but I had to do it by tomorrow and the rates available now aren't close to what I'm currently at.

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by gok on Sunday February 14, 2021 @10:43PM (#26138798)
> windmills

Wind turbines! :)

Re:Ercot nearly at capacity for Texas power grid by stjohnswarts on Sunday February 14, 2021 @11:00PM (#26138911)
just one nit to pick, it's wind turbines, not windmills. :)