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Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by CyberBank on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:11AM (#26002710)
>>I’ll tell you a story of when we were developing a product here States-side. We worked with one very gifted development team and we put all of our eggs into that basket.

They were doing great work for us but eventually, there was a business event where they left.

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"Business event" aka budget cuts? Benefit cuts? Change in leadership? Bad leadership?

People in the US often do not leave if things stay the status quo, managed well, and are given appropriate accolades for their performance. Absurd way to deflect blame and justify cutting fair wages

Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by deepspace on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:20AM (#26002855)
I imagine the "business event" to be:

Company: "We've been checking offshore software development rates and will be cutting your compensation to $25/hour to be competitive".

Developers: "Nope".

Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by ChrisRR on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:40AM (#26003151)
The fact they even start with such a vague statement as a "business event" after which everyone left says a lot.

If it's something so significant that most of your staff leave, then don't try to imply the blame is with the staff.

Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by ghaff on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:18AM (#26002807)
The level of double-speak is off the charts. Also "It is very expensive to spread intellectual property and know-how amongst the number of US-based resources."
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by 4cao on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:23AM (#26002900)
It gets even better than that: "unfortunately, the economic benefits [of outsourcing to Argentina] started to fail when the Argentine economy started to improve."
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by rmsaksida on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:39AM (#26003127)
If only those pesky third-worlders would stay poor for longer...
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by sgift on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:44AM (#26003200)
> We are in Ukraine now, where the talent pool is abundant and economic conditions are favorable.

They are probably routing for the Russo-Ukrainian War to continue as long as possible. Makes for more "favorable" conditions too. The worst event for them would be if Ukraine joined the EU, with all that pesky labor protection laws.

Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by nefitty on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:30PM (#26003838)
It’s a little mind blowing to see an atomic version of how business interests end up favoring outcomes that are negative for an entire country. If many of these small businesses end up dependent on low-wages, political instability, etc., it doesn’t seem far fetched to imagine that in aggregate they start institutionalizing lobbying efforts to maintain these circumstances.

This introduces possible outcomes like failed states, and counter measures like authoritarian strongmen to maintain modicums of stability. This can then lead to greater, unintended geopolitical consequences. And it all stems from a bunch of businesses trying to shave a few dollars off of wages...

Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by Izikiel43 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:58AM (#26003419)
Don't worry, the economy in Argentina is back to being shit since over 10 years ago. Argentina never changes.
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by marianov on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:46AM (#26003224)
Not getting any richer. It's just there is inflation, but the exchange rate for exporting services is fixed by the gov at a low valuation (90) vs the actual dollar on the street (160)
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by isbvhodnvemrwvn on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:56AM (#26003391)
They really do seem like the kind of people who would be opening champagne when civilians in Ukraine are getting killed by totally-not-Russia.
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by theflyinghorse on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @03:06PM (#26005873)
Two points: The war is happening in the Russian speaking part of Ukraine. To that point I'll put everything I have and double down with debt that a westerner would not be able to tell which folks are "Russian" and which are "Ukrainian" in this conflict.

Civilians are getting the brunt of it on both sides. Don't think for a second that Ukrainian forces avoid hitting civilian targets in some display of galantry. It's a brotherly war and nobody wants it.

Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by caskstrength on Wednesday February 03, 2021 @06:54AM (#26012813)
Not sure what you mean by this. It is very easy for one side to pack their bags and leave, if they "don't want it".
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by warent on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:48AM (#26003261)
This reminds me of someone I was talking with about their growing, modestly successful startup. They were bragging to me about how they didn't even have to worry about paying benefits, healthcare, retirement, etc. to their contractors in Mexico.

I said something like "Yuck, who needs healthcare and basic life standards" and he sincerely replied "Exactly!"

Business is full of people like this. If it's not full blown sociopathy then it's definitely a grievous lack of awareness, turning humans into an inhumane abstraction.

Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by jmknoll on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:51AM (#26003305)
The entire article reads like it was generated by GPT-3 after being fed a bunch of early 2000's MBA material.
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by JimDabell on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:16PM (#26003667)
I don’t know why people are taking this at all seriously. It’s a poorly-disguised advert and SEO bait. “Look at how awful and scary outsourcing can be. See all the years of effort we have put into overcoming these obstacles to become the experts you need to outsource successfully.” Complete with a call to action that feeds into their sales pipeline at the bottom. It was likely written for pennies by somebody who had a list of keywords to repeat for SEO.
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by mint2 on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @01:02PM (#26004303)
Are you saying it was outsourced to the lowest bidder?
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by kylecordes on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @11:30AM (#26003013)
The unstated information behind this bit is probably more important to understanding than all the rest. It might be wages or budgets or leadership or something else, but if it was innocuous they likely would have not been so vague.
Re:Software Development Outsourcing: Our Story by metalliqaz on Tuesday February 02, 2021 @12:47PM (#26004095)
I'm sure the "business event" was a renewal/renegotiation of the contract