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Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by partiallypro on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:09PM (#25951489)
How were these not overall real reviews? If they can't prove otherwise, this just entrenches the idea that big money is vastly more powerful than small voices. I honestly don't see how if this trend continues how things will end well. It's not just about Robinhood, etc, it's deplatforming, using AWS, etc as a weapon against smaller voices. I can't see this ending well.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by TeMPOraL on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:17PM (#25951604)
Me neither. This month is crazy with very visible examples of blatant, unethical overreach of prominent companies. This thing absolutely adds up in people's consciousness. Sure, it decays over time, but right now, it adds up faster.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by 0-_-0 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:30PM (#25951798)
Someone could become US president riding this public sentiment. Let's see if it decays in 4 years...
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by TeMPOraL on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:44PM (#25951952)
Given that 2021 is gearing up to become even weirder than 2020, it wouldn't surprise me if the next president was WallStreetBets' own /u/DeepFuckingValue...
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by crawfordcomeaux on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:05PM (#25952707)
I'd be down for asking someone from WallStreeBets to be my runningmate. Why DeepFuckingValue?
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by mrep on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:22PM (#25953410)
He is the one that posted the initial GME due diligence (DD) last year. Started with 50k in stocks and options, was valued at 48 million yesterday and 33 today and been posting updates basically everyday recently [0]. He did cash out 13 million yesterday.

[0]: https://old.reddit.com/user/DeepFuckingValue

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by pixl97 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:22PM (#25953873)
Things I should have done.

1. Bought bitcoin when it was worthless

2. Followed DFV's footsteps when I watched him go in GME options around a year ago.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by TeMPOraL on Friday January 29, 2021 @02:47AM (#25955056)
I don't know whether he orchestrated this or it grew out organically, but he's essentially the Jesus of WSB now. Most of what he seems to be doing is holding lots of GME and posting day-by-day updates (he lost some 14 million USD on GME yesterday, but is still millions in the positive) - but that galvanizes the community.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by ajliu on Sunday January 31, 2021 @11:39PM (#25985600)
> I don't know whether he orchestrated this or it grew out organically, but he's essentially the Jesus of WSB now.

None of his DD was actually related to GME being shorted. In fact he mentioned a few months ago that he wasn't betting on the squeeze would happen.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by aallen90 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:25PM (#25952880)
That user took a strong position in GME before this all went down, and is still holding.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by ryandrake on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:59AM (#25959485)
I believe if you go back in the user's posting history, he has posted screenshots of having a position in the stock over more than the past year--before the pandemic even started.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by thinkingemote on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:31PM (#25951806)
They could use a catchy slogan like "drain the swamp"...
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by chc on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:42PM (#25951939)
I think there are a couple of other recent presidential hopefuls who centered their messages much more around reducing the structural power of billionaires and large corporations.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by AWildC182 on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:41AM (#25954435)
And further, nobody outside of the extreme of the extremists actually wants to eliminate the potential for achieving a "wealthy" status. People will always be able to achieve high levels of success. The argument is that we need to pick a point where amassing so much wealth can start to be deemed anti social and start to taper things off there. There is basically nothing you can buy with ten or eleven digits that you can't buy with nine, except entire corporations and countries and absolutely no individual needs that power or the prospect of that power to be fulfilled in life.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:54PM (#25952049)
> who centered their messages much more around reducing the structural power of billionaires and large corporations.

The problem is that there is a segment of the American voters who believe that if the current billionaires and large corporations would quit screwing them, they would become the billionaires and owners of the large corporations. As such they are all for screwing over the current crop of billionaires, but don’t want long lasting reduction in the structural power of billionaires.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by lamontcg on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:53PM (#25952598)
Sir, this is a site run by an investment fund, I'm afraid you've stepped a bit out of line there.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by AWildC182 on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:37AM (#25954411)
This platform is far from an impartial place. People need to remember the reason this site exists...
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by chkaloon on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:57PM (#25952632)
I've heard it said that Americans all think they are potential millionaires and billionaires that have temporarily hit a down patch. That's why democratic socialism will never fly here except for isolated programs.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by neltnerb on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:15PM (#25952798)
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."

John Steinbeck

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by ryandrake on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:04PM (#25959566)
Reminds me of an article I keep in my bookmarks from a long time ago, which is probably still true today: 39% of Americans think they are in the top 1% or that they will one day be [1]. They don't want to be mean to the rich because they think they are rich or will soon be among them.

1: https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/opinion/the-triumph-of-ho...

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by wtfiswiththis on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:12PM (#25952765)
Sir, how dare you discuss taxing money I haven't earned yet and will likely never earn in my lifetime.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by r00fus on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:54PM (#25952054)
The last one who did was great at playing lip service but gave the wealthy & big banks a $1T payout via tax cut.

Hopefully this sentiment results in structural change instead.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by karmasimida on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:43PM (#25951941)
> could become US president riding this public sentiment

It already happened 4 years ago.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by alisonkisk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:54PM (#25953152)
That was the sarcastic joke.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by lostmsu on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:17PM (#25953358)
Most jokes are half-true here, sadly.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by Fjolsvith on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:57PM (#25953183)
Scary to think that after four years of solid market gains it could implode because of retail investors getting angry.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by rorykoehler on Friday January 29, 2021 @05:54AM (#25956056)
It's imploding because hedge funds are taking crazy risk on and then illegally trying to weasel their way out of the losses they have coming.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by partiallypro on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:33PM (#25951838)
If you through Trump was bad, just wait until a competent version shows up
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by ghufran_syed on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:44PM (#25951955)
I expect pompeo or haley to feature prominently in that role in 2024 unless Trump himself screws things up for republicans by trying to make a comeback
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by TheOtherHobbes on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:05PM (#25952699)
Awful as Google is, I'd still trust it more than anything with Mercer's fingerprints on it. (Which is barely at all. But still.)

As for 2024 - it is obvious now that the only way the GOP can win another election is by dismantling democracy.

There is no chance whatsoever that the GOP can win again without wilfully disenfranchising tens of millions of voters. In spite of the bot mob on Twitter trying to create the impression there's some kind of enraged far right majority agitating for representation, the reality is the numbers just aren't there for a clean win.

So that is what is happening now. 2020 is the last chance for the far right, and they know that - which is why they intend to take the shot well before 2024.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by ImprovedSilence on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:12PM (#25953313)
>> As for 2024 - it is obvious now that the only way the GOP can win another election is by dismantling democracy.

I don't think that's true. There are plenty of moderates in the the swing sates that voted for Biden but would be more than willing to jump on the bandwagon for someone who is seen as a moderate conservative and making the right promises. The trick is getting that candidate through the primaries if the scene looks like 2016, where the hard hard right will gather around the one nut job, and the other 5 establishment republicans will be indistinguishable.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by flukus on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:14AM (#25954256)
> The trick is getting that candidate through the primaries if the scene looks like 2016,

After Trumpists, tea partiers and evangelicals it will be interesting to see what happens next. The latter two groups seemed happy to align with trump despite not sharing their core values, maybe the trumpists will stick with whatever the next group is.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by wavefunction on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:08AM (#25954207)
Pompeo is a clown who can't even Bangladesh or Ukraine and Haley is long in the tooth. The SD governor Noem has the superficial attractiveness and utter in(s)anity to capture the heart of US right-wingers though.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by Fjolsvith on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:59PM (#25953201)
March 4th.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by alsetmusic on Friday January 29, 2021 @09:00AM (#25957275)
> March 4th.

I believe the context here is that Sovereign Citizens and some Q people believe that this is the date that Trump assumes a new term.

March 4 was (haven’t verified this myself) the original inauguration date. So says a podcast I listened to about conspiracy theories.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by simias on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:27PM (#25951761)
I think it's a tough decision to make. In general I understand that Google would prevent review bombing, since it can very easily be abused by social media mobs or competitors. The point of reviews is to give a genuine idea of how people on average like a given app. Reviem bombing completely distorts that, whether it be 1-star or 5-star reviews.

But here it's a pretty huge app, and the bombing is motivated by a real issue the users are having, so I think I agree with you that it was not necessarily the right decision.

As always the real problem is that tech giants are opaque in their behaviour. If we had clear guidelines for what constitutes "review bombing" there wouldn't really be an issue I think.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by kerng on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:51PM (#25952027)
Not really. Many of people are rightfully upset and want to leave a 1 star review. It would be extremely inappropriate if Google removed my review.

I think the app sucks if they can just prevent you from trading a stock and make you the bagholder in favor of large investors. Seems like a legitimate concern that hundred thousands of other people share - not some organized random prank. People are losing money as we speak.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by creato on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:56PM (#25952629)
It seems like maybe the solution is not to remove reviews, but weight them somehow. 100k reviews left in 2 days probably shouldn't have the same weight as 100k reviews left over 2 years.

Or a more sophisticated version of this would be to somehow cluster reviews based on the particular issue they are reporting.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by TrianguloY on Friday January 29, 2021 @06:49AM (#25956322)
I think this is how Steam solved (or attempted to) with their store reviews. Now you can see two scores, the lifetime score and the recents score.

In an ideal situation the app should show the 4. lifetime stars and the 1. recent stars. A user will them immediately know something happened, and investigate on their own (whether the review bombing was for something they care about or not).

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by bigwavedave on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:12AM (#25958795)
> 100k reviews left in 2 days probably shouldn't have the same weight as 100k reviews left over 2 years.

I'm not entirely sure I agree with this; let me offer another perspective and maybe you can talk through this with me and help me understand a little better. A review is an opportunity for a user to give their honest feedback to any prospective user and (incidentally) to the app developer(s), so a bunch of reviews bombing an app into oblivion has the potential to be wasteful and harmful (unauthentic negative ratings from competitors, like you mentioned). But on the other hand if Firefox mobile has average reviews and I don't leave any kind of review since I've been fairly satisfied with my experience with the app for the eight or so years I've been using android, then they release Firefox Daylight and completely ruin the experience for me, preventing me from doing things I've been able to do for years and fundamentally tanking the experience, should a five star review from 2017-18 be considered more relevant than my 2 star review from 2020? And the other thousands of 1 star reviews flooding in after the update? What if a company has a bad app, changes their process from waterfall to agile (sorry, had to inject a little humor here), overhauls their app, and gets a huge influx of positive reviews the same day as the release. Do the negative reviews left over time have more relevance than the positive reviews left after the update?

I'm not trying to take a position on what the right approach is, I'm hoping to understand a perspective that's different from mine :).

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by paulddraper on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:26PM (#25952887)
Or just you know let people express their views.

If people think the app is a good or bad experience they will say so.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by creato on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:19AM (#25954290)
Where did I suggest otherwise? My whole point was to let the reviews be, but figure out a way to make them useful. 100k reviews complaining about not being able to buy Gamestop is not useful.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by sthnblllII on Friday January 29, 2021 @08:46AM (#25957143)
right here:

>[reviews i dont like] probably shouldn't have the same weight as [reviews i do like].

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by alsetmusic on Friday January 29, 2021 @10:24AM (#25958147)
You’re projecting. The comment didn’t say that. The intent of the commenter is being assumed, whether rightly or wrongly.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by sthnblllII on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:08PM (#25952730)
Robinhood can kick people off, block trading certain stocks to help big players, etc. All ordinary people can do is leave a bad review and you want to take even that away. Why?
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by alisonkisk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:55PM (#25953167)
Because spam isn't helpful to other ordinary people browsing the store.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by quartus on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:38PM (#25953543)
Clarification: It did not prevent you from selling your holdings (ie. did not make you a bag holder). It only prevented you from opening a new position.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by hedora on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:14PM (#25953814)
It prevented people that bought on margin from selling during tomorrow’s short squeeze, since it auto-liquidated their positions.

At the same time as it auto-liquidated the positions, it blocked attempts to purchase the liquidated stock.

One of their major investors directly benefited from the resulting market distortion.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by bubblicious on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:05PM (#25953258)
Wouldn't you see a similar rise in app store reviews though? Seems like that wasn't the case?
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by elihu on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:14PM (#25952245)
In this case you have a lot of people burned at the same time from the app failing to do the one thing they expected it to.

https://xkcd.com/937/

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by rpdillon on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:28PM (#25952403)
Completely unmoderated reviews would be awful, which suggests moderation is necessary. Moderation requires judgment, and different people have different ideas about what good judgment looks like. Your question made me think about what a "real review" is. Should the person have used the app for more than a certain period of time? Do they need to have taken certain actions (make an account?) Different folks will draw lines in different places because reviews are just opinions, and there are no real credentials for having an opinion. I don't see a way to resolve this with a centralized model.

Federated/distributed systems where the network is itself the filter seem more promising to me, even though they tend to come at the expense of usability.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by odessacubbage on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:26PM (#25952892)
why do scores need to be simple? why not simply graph satisfaction over time and allow for demarcations like number of hours used. trying to apply a roger ebert scoring system to products and services that are ephemeral and ever-changing is largely meaningless. whether review bombing is legitimate or not, it at least always has a cause and that cause should be considered highly relevant purchasing information.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by gfxgirl on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:19PM (#25953375)
I don't agree at all. I want to be able to rate an app that made it impossible to sign up with 1 star. Or that required access to my camera even though the app has nothing to do with taking photos or images. So, no time in but the app deserves IMO 1 star and potential customers should be notified to stay far away from the app

As for breaking apart reviews into categories that also has its problem. Zagat used to rate restaurants in 5 categories and it ended up requiring people to lie if they wanted to convey the message "do not go here".

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by rpdillon on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:11PM (#25953301)
Totally agree...ratings could be quite sophisticated. In the end, I suspect that sophisticated scoring system would still need to draw lines that some will disagree with, and we'd be back where we are now.

Sophisticated scoring might also bring common critiques, like ratings being biased or opaque (or just confusing). I recall Netflix had a issue when they made their star rating a prediction of what you would rate it (based on your previous viewing habits). It confused a lot of people who thought it was simply the average star rating. They since switched to percent-match as a result, and dropped star-reviews in favor of thumbs-up/thumbs-down.

Come to think of it, your suggestion may lead to something like percent-match for apps...though I suspect rating apps along dimensions the way Netflix does TV/movies may be tricky. Maybe different dimensions for different categories in the app store?

I'm still intrigued by a distributed approach that filters opinion through the sieve of the social network...I think it has more promise than centralized rating systems that attract abuse.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by ArcVRArthur on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:54PM (#25952055)
The internet has been going poorly for awhile. I don’t see how we’ll get off this track where the large crush and silence the small. I’m not sold on IPFS, GunDB, Zeronet, ect... My guess is federated XMPP or RSS might be a few of the only vestiges of resilient organization. Even Matrix has signalled they’ll begin looking into deplatforming. https://matrix.org/blog/2020/10/19/combating-abuse-in-matrix...

Sad times in cyberspace.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by DennisP on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:48PM (#25952563)
I read your Matrix link and it's not top-down deplatforming, it's user-driven moderation:

> What if we had a standard way to let users themselves build up and share their own views of whether other users, messages, rooms, servers etc. are obnoxious or not? What if you could visualise and choose which filters to apply to your view of Matrix?

The closest to actual deplatforming is:

> Admins running servers in particular jurisdictions then have the option to enforce whatever rules they need on their servers

But honestly, in a federated system I always assumed the server owners could do that. As long as it's not mandated from on high by the Matrix team, anyone can host whatever they want by setting up their own server.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by rvz on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:35PM (#25952458)
Meanwhile in the UK, the 'Robinhood equivalent', 'Trading 212' also is taking a hit with the instant 1 star reviews it has: [0]

I'm expecting that Google will do the same here.

[0] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.avuscapita...

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by mhh__ on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:35PM (#25951856)
Which deplatformings do you specifically refer to? The concern over them just seems way too tribal at the moment to be considered in league with the more serious allegations against Robinhood and the funds involved - that is big money.

Wrt Parler specifically, I think a lot of the "solutions" (or sketches toward) on this site would quickly reveal that the optimal societal configuration is closer to what we have now than one would expect - with or without S230.

Also, the wording of "using AWS" is almost libelously in need of a citation - who is doing it, and how do they have any sway over a company that is both absolutely enormous and not particularly woke?

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by paulddraper on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:37PM (#25953012)
> Which deplatformings do you specifically refer to?

President (Twitter, Facebook, Instagram), White House, Parler (Google Play, Apple, AWS), MyPillow guy, anyone who utters the phrase "stop the steal" on Facebook, Kyle Rittenhouse (Facebook, GoFundMe, Discover)

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by Theory5 on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:48AM (#25954485)
Wow, it's almost like private companies don't want to be seen supporting terrible people who have done terrible things, such as damage a democracy by incompetence and malice. Or encouraged and emboldened extremists cumulating in an attempt to actually harm the leaders of a country, or illegally obtain a gun, shot several people, then was seen associating with extremists who regularly call for and perpetrate violence.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by tal8d on Friday January 29, 2021 @09:13AM (#25957372)
Well those private companies wouldn't be seen as "supporting" anybody, if they behaved with any level of consistency and transparency. It is a problem of their own making, with every virtue signal further compounding expectations. I suspect that the majority of people you hate probably have phone numbers and receive mail, but I don't believe that AT&T and UPS "support" them - because those companies don't pull these stupid stunts. Debanking is starting to get normalized... and the new liberal battle cry is "private companies!"
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by paulddraper on Saturday January 30, 2021 @12:25PM (#25970926)
Yes, that's why deplatforming happens.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by p2t2p on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:16PM (#25951591)
They'll just play themselves into regulation eventually. Once FTC comes after them the only people to blame for it are themselves.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by pueblito on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:29PM (#25951785)
They are clearly not afraid of regulators anymore
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by 650REDHAIR on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:38PM (#25951898)
"Too big to fail" is a slippery slope and the Citizens United rulings certainly didn't help with accountability.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by fastball on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:17PM (#25951598)
Optimistic.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by p2t2p on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:26PM (#25951745)
May be, but if "split up big tech" becomes a viable path to being elected things may change _suddenly_
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by cabalamat on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:33PM (#25951835)
Last year Elizabeth Warren called for Facebook to be split up. Facebook censored it.

So things may change suddenly, but in one of two directions:

1. big tech being split up

2. big tech exercising the control they have over politics, by controlling speech, to prevent being split up

The second option would of course be the final end of democracy in America.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by Avicebron on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:36PM (#25951874)
We have democracy in America?
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by cabalamat on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:44PM (#25951958)
To some extent, at least.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by aphextron on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:08PM (#25952733)
> How were these not overall real reviews? If they can't prove otherwise, this just entrenches the idea that big money is vastly more powerful than small voices.

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by bilekas on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:21PM (#25952320)
All of this very impressive, community, unpredictable, sentiment driven market has proven is that even the platform those cowboys and girls are trading on are owned.

The claw's in deep.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by alexfromapex on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:43PM (#25951950)
These centralized app stores are part of this problem
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by tylerjwilk00 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:44PM (#25952534)
And the news pits us against one another because God forbid we all get along and work together. That would be the real threat.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by booleandilemma on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:59PM (#25952650)
Could a solution to this be a 3rd political party that unites people together somehow? Instead of fighting between democrats and republicans all the time.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by SV_BubbleTime on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:43AM (#25954441)
OK. Is your third political party pro gun or anti gun? I need to know before I can commit... see the problem yet? We’ve been divided with wedge issues.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by tinyhouse on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:03PM (#25952131)
Big money? What big money exactly? Do you really think Google care about RH and its money? They do it to prevent organized activities of rating manipulation. The RH case might be justified but Google cannot be the judge. If tomorrow the corner store across the street receives 100K reviews in 1 hour, Google would respond in a similar way.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by argomo on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:43PM (#25952520)
I don't see any overlap between Google's executive board and Robinhood, but it's a small world among power players at that level. Someone could have called in a favor (or been trying to curry one).

Without more information, it's hard to say whether this was a good faith move by Google, reflexive algorithmic moderation, or another example of American extractionalism.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by tinyhouse on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:54PM (#25952611)
Please, some common sense. Google is one of the wealthist and powerful companies in the world. RH is one app out of millions in their play store. No one at Google is stupid enough to do RH a favor. It's not the first time nor the last time they do something like like this. Their tos doesn't allow rating manipulation, which clearly happened here. They don't care if it justified or not.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by jquery on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:31PM (#25952953)
All the insane conspiracy theories floating around, by people who mostly have no idea how trading/margin works, that this is just mean ol’ hedge funds trying to screw the little guy... I’m suddenly afraid of Trump 2.0, except he or she is gonna be a lot more competent and brutal. Jan 6 was just the warmup.

There is so much wrath, envy, and greed out there, and so much willingness to believe whatever fits one’s preconceived notions of how the world works.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by amznthrowaway5 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:30PM (#25953927)
But the giant hedge funds and billionaires aren't corrupt at all and we should all just believe them?

Get real, most economic theory is all nonsense to cover for corruption and insider trading. Everyone can see how bad the economic inequality is getting, greed is mainly from the rich side, not from the so-called "conspiracy theorists"

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by bryan_w on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:51AM (#25954499)
Exactly! Today I saw a clip at the top of Reddit of a CNBC clip that was clearly manipulated to generate outrage, but only one person out of thousands even mentioned it in the comments
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by itsdrewmiller on Friday January 29, 2021 @09:50AM (#25957777)
I mean, "this user never even downloaded this app" and "it got 100000% more reviews today than any other day" is probably a decent enough heuristic for removing fake reviews.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by eternalban on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:52PM (#25952595)
> this just entrenches the idea that big money is vastly more powerful than small voices.

An “idea”? It’s like saying there is an entrenched idea that the Earth goes around the Sun.

The political class tried everything in the book to divide this nation. And in just one day, at least among the “retarded”, there is unity. No wonder they are all coming out of the woodwork to claim support for the retards. They are worried.

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Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by justforyou on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:46PM (#25951974)
>> it will likely end with ordinary people being really cynical about the motives of big tech, the financial services industry, the media, and the ruling class generally.

That's how things were from the 70s up until the internet boom.

It's going to take another paradim shift before the cynicism errodes.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by alvah on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:37PM (#25951877)
That's not how it ends, that cuts off the story halfway through. Also, the next populist will likely make Trump look level-headed and restrained.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by cabalamat on Friday January 29, 2021 @04:43AM (#25955656)
> That's not how it ends, that cuts off the story halfway through.

I think the end point is one of:

- America comes to its senses, reforms, and becomes democratic

- America becomes a China-like oligarchy and police state, with ubiquitous surveillance, and a big-tech-run social credit system to keep everyone in line

- America bumbles along is the same fashion it has been doing, with things slowly deteriorating

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Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by smcl on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:27PM (#25951755)
There’s a way to make that point without being insulting
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by mulmen on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:55PM (#25952618)
You're right. I made an edit to make it less insulting without otherwise rewriting history.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by ZachS on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:33PM (#25951831)
gaming reviews to extract money is insulting
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by bg4 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:19PM (#25952307)
That requires self-awareness and maturity, however.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by simias on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:29PM (#25951789)
Being condescending is not constructive. Can you substantiate your claim?

I'm sure that there are many tweaks to the way apps are ranked, but I would expect that the rating itself would, indeed, mostly be a star average.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by IMTDb on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:13PM (#25952244)
My company has been scraping the apple app store and google play store using private reverse engineered api. We provide a wide range of services around those data which include reviews and ratings historical analysis and so on.

I can confirm that the displayed rating on both stores is exactly the weighted average of valid reviews and ratings posted by users. No trickery there.

The only caveat here is that both platform regularly invalidate posted reviews and ratings for various reasons (the user asked for it to be removed, apple/google has reasons to believe it was fraudulent/automated, ...). If a review/rating is removed, it won't be shown and won't be taken into account in the calculation.

So the calculation is really along the lines of :

> SELECT app, AVG(stars) AS display_stars FROM customer_reviews WHERE deleted=false GROUP BY app;

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by sulam on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:13PM (#25952236)
This is not how most stores calculate the rating. Not Apple's, not Amazon's, and not Google's. They all have various "leans" on the score, that factor in other things besides just total_score divided by num_reviews.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by 0-_-0 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:35PM (#25951863)
I'm pretty sure it is, with the addition that when they detect brigading of the rating in a certain time interval, they remove ratings made in that time interval.

They will probably reenable ratings for the Robinhood app when things calm down, so if you want to give it a 1 star rating just wait a few weeks and try not to forget about it.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by rory on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:23PM (#25951702)
Is this actually true? I feel so naive, I would have never guessed.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by 0-_-0 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:28PM (#25951764)
No
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by happytoexplain on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:28PM (#25951773)
Your bitterness robs your post of legitimacy.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by fastball on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:22PM (#25951682)
Does RH have in-app purchases? Otherwise not sure how wiping negative reviews optimizes for revenue.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by mandelbrotwurst on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:27PM (#25951758)
High ratings for apps in the store might help convince users that the store is worth using.

Or, even better, high ratings for apps from large corporations encourage them to support the continuation of your store's monopoly power.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by simias on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:34PM (#25951843)
But that's why there's no real need for manipulation. App store what highly rated apps and app makers want their apps to be highly rated so they use more or less dark patterns and incentives to incite users to leave good reviews.

There's a massive selection bias at play which tends to naturally inflate review scores without any explicit fudging.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by mandelbrotwurst on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:45PM (#25951962)
I thought that at first, until I considered that user ratings might not actually map all that well to things like how long they spend in the apps, how likely spending time in an app is to increase their time spent in the store or on their device overall, and/or how much money they spend in these places.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by mulmen on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:27PM (#25951759)
If reviews don’t drive customer behavior why have them?
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by fastball on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:35PM (#25951859)
Reviews that are accurate (hypothetically) help users make informed decisions and therefore enjoy using the store more.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by dragosmocrii on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:20PM (#25951634)
That's an excellent point
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by DevKoala on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:22PM (#25951679)
I love this comment.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by 1996 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:20PM (#25951645)
> it's deplatforming, using AWS as a weapon against smaller voices. I can't see this ending well.

This, so much - imagine you believe "they" stole the election, "they" got your favorite social media shut down (parler/gab/whatever), "they" blocked the buying of options, "they" then liquidated your position as the price predictably fail and you got margin called, you complained but "they" got your feedback deleted. Ouch.

I can't see this ending well at all. The executive will have to be extremely careful with what they will enact. The climate was already tense, but this is making it explosive.

I'd be extremely careful for all my 2021 forecast.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by XorNot on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:28PM (#25951779)
So this is conflating some very different circumstances.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by 1996 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:40PM (#25951916)
Do you seriously believe the average person won't think like that?

It's breaking trust at the society level.

It can become extremely dangerous when a large percentage of the population don't believe there's a social contract anymore.

Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by 1123581321 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:25PM (#25953437)
The point is that a widely perceived conflation will have material effects on the involved organizations and that the conflation will spread to new organizations with each new incident.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by ClumsyPilot on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:19PM (#25952302)
Agreed, if you keep demonstrating that might makes right, eventually people will act on in.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by 9985479945_ on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:29PM (#25951788)
In all of these cases ‘They’ were within their rights.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by read_if_gay_ on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:35PM (#25951857)
So? That is supposed to make it okay in people’s minds? I kinda doubt it.
Re:Robinhood Play Store listing went from 329K reviews to 18... by rurp on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:28PM (#25952395)
"They" also write the rules, so I can't see how anyone is going to be convinced by this.