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Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:39PM (#25948811)
I'm all for this, I might even be able to move to a cheaper country and do the full digital nomad thing. I sort of want to find a way to save a minimum of $100,000 per year in order to retire within the next 10 years.

I definitely could see the government creating incentives to get people back to work. The big issue of people no longer commuting, is millions of people working auxiliary industries which are getting screwed right now. The guy who works at the cafe next to your office, the landlords who own buildings, even car mechanics.

I suspect by the end of 2021, we'll see more 50% work from home, particularly for new engineers.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by onion2k on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:16PM (#25950208)
I suspect by the end of 2021, we'll see more 50% work from home, particularly for new engineers.

I like remote working, and I've done it on and off for more than 2 decades. It suits me.

In my experience, mentoring junior devs and new hires on my projects is much harder for everyone involved when you're not in the same office. Sometimes you're lucky and get someone who'll speak up and ask questions when they get stuck, but often (especially with juniors) people will just try to figure things out on their own in order to not look bad at their job or incompetent or something. Some devs would rather spend a whole day on a problem and only bring it up in the following day's stand up than show they can't solve it alone. That is really bad for a project. I find I have to poke the quieter juniors regularly on Slack just to make sure they're OK, but then people get annoyed about being micromanaged. This is something I really want to solve...

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by whatshisface on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:16PM (#25950923)
Maybe you should publicly commend the vocal juniors so that the rest can learn from their example. Say something like, "Jim Halpert realized that it would be a good idea to collaborate with me on the A4 project, and together we finished it far ahead of schedule." Phrase it so it ascribes agency to the junior, focusing on how they (with agency) decided to use the resources they had appropriately.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by monkeycantype on Friday January 29, 2021 @02:01AM (#25954834)
My Dad, still programming at 72, was one of the first people I know of to work as a remote developer. From about 1982 We lived on a remote-ish farm in Australia and out in the shed we had an IBM mainframe with a bunch of terminals and PCs on makeshift tables made from doors resting on filing cabinets. A couple of times a year some of his colleagues from the UK would fly out from the UK with a bag of tapes of source code, they would spend the next month merging their code and planning the next few months work.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by alexashka on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:39PM (#25951128)
Sounds like you're doing a fine job.

One thing you can do is let people flounder and fail on irrelevant small tasks for a week or two early, to help them learn the lesson that they don't know what they're doing.

The best way to make someone appreciate guidance, is to have them fall on their face, receive guidance and notice the difference.

One suggestion I had was, if you're stuck for more than 30 minutes, ping me. Juniors will almost always be stuck with something trivial you can answer within a few minutes. It gives you a break and it is something they really appreciate. If you communicate to them that they're not expected to know anything and that the first few years on the job is their real world education and a chance to ask questions without raising eyebrows, they'll be far more likely to do it.

Juniors are nice in my experience, you can mold them into something half-decent if they've got a bit of a brain and their mistakes are ones of innocence, not cunning or apathy. It's the 'senior' devs who don't know shit that you have to put up with that's almost always a disaster. They'll be well versed in lying and politics, wasting everybody's time.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by amwelles on Thursday January 28, 2021 @11:55PM (#25954124)
I got over this by having teammates who regularly asked for help in Slack. Suddenly, it felt very acceptable for me to do so. Our #dev channel is full of my coworkers and me asking and answering questions for everybody to see that we all need a nudge in the right direction from time to time. I think when that stuff gets hashed out in DMs or in other less public places, the new devs don’t realize it’s happening.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by shinkim0914 on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:09AM (#25954219)
This is why remote mature companies like Gitlab emphasize transparent communication and highly discourage private channels / DMs. Otherwise it is much easier for individuals to become silo-ed in a remote company than in a onsite company. Remote teams need to overemphasize transparent and public communication.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by solatic on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:11AM (#25954234)
The flip-side of this is that the constant interruptions from the help channel prevent you from entering flow / getting deep work done.

I find that a balance can be managed if people are nudged to at the owner of the specific component they need help with, i.e. @guild-frontend or @owner-fooservice

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by FpUser on Friday January 29, 2021 @12:56AM (#25954530)
>"I like remote working, and I've done it on and off for more than 2 decades. It suits me."

Exactly the same here for exactly 20 years. I make my own products and make products for other companies as consultant.

No real problems when I need to hire subcontractor though. Being an old fart I know many very experienced people who would never pass an opportunity to make some dosh.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by shinkim0914 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:57PM (#25951328)
I've also noticed in the job post data that remote-mature companies prefer employees with remote work experience. I'm guessing it's partially due to this problem of difficulty of getting juniors up to speed remotely.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by jki275 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:47PM (#25951985)
Now most of us have remote work experience...
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by alwaysdoit on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:56PM (#25953175)
Pairing maybe?
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by greatgoat420 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:54PM (#25953662)
I always feel like pairing is the most annoying and most mediocre way of getting people to ask the right questions. It takes double the time for easy tasks, and makes everyone really awkward. In sessions I have supervised it looks like ~70% of the time it just one person driving the keyboard solo. It does get people to learn, and if someone does something weird or gets stuck, the other usually speaks up. But it seems so slow in the average case.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by izacus on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:42PM (#25948878)
> I'm all for this, I might even be able to move to a cheaper country and do the full digital nomad thing. I sort of want to find a way to save a minimum of $100,000 per year in order to retire within the next 10 years.

As someone from a "cheaper country", a crazy amount of these jobs dries out when they figure that they'll need to deal with your tax/labor law employment situation.

There's still plenty of remote work, just make sure you don't go into this completely blind.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by zinckiwi on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:10PM (#25950867)
PEOs make this... well, not easy, but certainly less onerous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_employer_organiza...

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by woodson on Friday January 29, 2021 @02:44AM (#25955042)
But international PEOs have such crazy high fees that finding a local tax accountant suddenly becomes much less of a bad idea.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:48PM (#25948959)
Okay, cheaper American city !
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by thatfrenchguy on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:15PM (#25949340)
Sadly most american cities are cheap for a reason, unless you're into suburban life obviously.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:49PM (#25949810)
Actually I found Chicago to be extremely affordable, and really lively. The absolute friendliest people on earth.

If remote work holds up I expect to see San Fran's real estate market, at least it's rental market collapse

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by shinkim0914 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:12PM (#25950150)
The cost of living in Chicago is amazing for a Top 3 metro. My theory has always been that the winter weather discount is baked into the CoL.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by jlaurend on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:37PM (#25952471)
Chicago's a very nice city. There are basically three main factors keeping the cost low currently:

1. Population decline. 2. A very large amount of good housing stock. Chicago's completely flat with solid public transit reaching out to the suburbs. 3. Lower proportion of tech and startups. Similar to how tech has driven up the CoL in many cities, the relative lack of tech in Chicago has kept CoL down.

Winter is rough in Chicago, but the CoL in Boston has skyrocketed which invalidates that as being the _only_ reason.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by shinkim0914 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:20PM (#25952837)
Agreed, weather cannot be the only reason. What drives the population decline in Chicago despite the low CoL?
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by toomuchtodo on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:24PM (#25953426)
Rising tax burden and fiscal mismanagement. Check out property taxes and the debt Chicago, Cook County, and the state carry.

Your dollars go further in Tennessee, Florida, or Texas (all of which have no state income tax).

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by pchristensen on Sunday January 31, 2021 @08:41PM (#25984643)
Chicago has a huge part (1M+) that's effectively a Rust Belt city like Cleveland, St. Louis, or Detroit. It has deindustrialized and suffered disinvestment, and anyone in that section that has the ability to leave does.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by pchristensen on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:46PM (#25950610)
Chicago has a wealthy, top-tier global city of 500k inside a depressed Rust Belt city of 2.5M. There's significantly less economic and population pressure on the core global city.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:32PM (#25950409)
Such a great place, I try to tell, particularly young people how important picking the right city is. If you pick a bad City, you're going to end up not being able to afford to live your life will be needlessly stressful, you won't be able to find a partner. But if you pick a good city live can be pretty good
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by thatfrenchguy on Saturday January 30, 2021 @02:12PM (#25971984)
> If remote work holds up I expect to see San Fran's real estate market, at least it's rental market collapse

San Francisco's climate, walkable hoods, having a ton of things to do will probably make it come back from the dead even if the tech industry were to actually leave.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by dudul on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:26PM (#25949502)
One of these reasons is often the lack of jobs. Suburbs are actually often fairly expensive since they try to bring the good of the country (individual houses, bigger lots) closer to the city where good jobs are located.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by LockAndLol on Friday January 29, 2021 @05:01AM (#25955766)
Just curious, why a city? What does a city give you personally that a town doesn't?
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:37AM (#25959156)
Public transportation.

Events and opportunities to socialize.

Even if I have a family one day, I still would want my kids to take language classes , etc.

I hate driving ( particularly when commuting), so a town wouldn't really work.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by 908B64B197 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:48PM (#25949801)
> As someone from a "cheaper country", a crazy amount of these jobs dries out when they figure that they'll need to deal with your tax/labor law employment situation.

Why not make your laws more friendly?

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by dghlsakjg on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:14PM (#25950174)
Reforming an entire country's tax and employment law to enable a few hundred people to work for companies too lazy to comply with the law is impractical at best. It's an edge case, and many of those laws are there to protect workers anyway.

Frequently the issue isn't so much that compliance is extraordinary difficult, it is that there is no section in the HR manual for handling it, and they don't want to deal with it. Most of the time it would take two days of labor at most, and a small percentage of the employee salary to make it kosher. In Canada it is so common that there is an entire industry that will arrange legal employment of Canadians by foreign corporations with no local presence. Most US companies don't even want to hear about how easy it is to comply.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by 908B64B197 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:21PM (#25951663)
Just imagine the labor pool if hiring from your country by a US corporation was trivial.

I guess the existing rent-seekers wouldn't like it however.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by izacus on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:17PM (#25950219)
It's not about friendliness, it's about difference. As soon as the legal situation changes, many companies immediately get cold feet.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by rhacker on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:43PM (#25948908)
We need to convert the "ice-cream trucks" of my youth into drive by coffee shops... lol - except without the music, more like an app saying they're coming. Free business idea if anyone is listening. Put your order in on the phone.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by DonHopkins on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:12PM (#25950151)
I just wish they'd bring back milk delivery, like in the old days, but 24/7.

I ran out of cream for my coffee at 3AM in Amsterdam. But of course there's a 24/7 nitrous oxide delivery company in Amsterdam:

https://amsterdamlachgas.com/

I'm not a customer, but I would only consider it if they'd actually deliver fresh cream without any nitrous oxide at 3AM, to keep up the pretense that the N2O was actually intended for making late-night whipped cream.

But no, they brashly deliver incriminating accessories like balloons and "Slagroomspuit" dispensers. But no cream! Fuck that.

https://amsterdamlachgas.com/lachgas-toebehoren/

Somebody should start a 24/7 milk and cream delivery service. DeliverMOO!

I think you could make a killing delivering 24/7 fresh milk, cream, and dairy accessories like breakfast cereal and chocolate mix.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by ashtonkem on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:01PM (#25950780)
Amsterdam does not strike me as the kind of place that needs to put up a polite fiction in front of drug usage.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by Sophistifunk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:33PM (#25952963)
Are you kidding? Doing exactly that is like 30% of their tourism industry.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by DonHopkins on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:51PM (#25953138)
Maybe the sex industry can take up the slack. I don't care what costume the delivery person wears or how well they dance, I just want my fresh cream delivered 24/7!
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by ashtonkem on Friday January 29, 2021 @02:06AM (#25954864)
Really? They have legalized prostitution there as well as legal drugs. The whole area seems the least "polite fiction" that I've ever seen.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by sensitive-ears on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:00PM (#25949118)
We already have that where I live. It's an espresso machine in a van, they drive by offices in the morning and then stop and parks and other communal spots during lunch
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by dont__panic on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:09PM (#25949243)
Espresso trucks/vans seemed to be a big thing in the EU when I lived there, but don't seem to have much of a place in the US. Maybe it's due to the low walkability of the US and tendency to travel via car? Or maybe it's hard to get the licensing for it?
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by uxp100 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:33PM (#25951067)
I have found coffee carts not uncommon in the US (midwest and california). I think aside from the michoacana guy, food trucks and carts in the US tend to stay put for a long period of time, and really, you don't need more than a cart that you pick up with a truck at the end of the morning. I've seen coffee carts post up at entrances to offices as well as along bike and walking trails.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by Sophistifunk on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:34PM (#25952977)
This is everywhere in Australia. Coffee-and-sausage-roll carts towed behind an SUV from office to office in areas where somebody's stuck a bunch of office buildings in the burbs rather than the CBD.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by krallistic on Friday January 29, 2021 @04:57AM (#25955745)
Keep the music - excellent branding.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by rhacker on Sunday January 31, 2021 @12:46PM (#25980736)
The music could play on the phones of everyone that has the app when it's approaching!
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by prawn on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:50PM (#25951251)
There are coffee vans in Australia that park in school carparks (for parents to grab a coffee after drop-off, or teachers to get one on their way in) or near popular beach spots or tour through office areas at specific times.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by shinkim0914 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:57PM (#25949081)
Yes! Drive-by Blue Bottle coffee trucks please!!
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by wikibob on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:16PM (#25950209)
Check out Puerto Rico.

Only jurisdiction in the entire world where an American tax subject can go and pay ZERO federal income tax.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by dagmx on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:20PM (#25950960)
Plus you get free presidential delivered toilet paper.