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Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by izacus on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:42PM (#25948878)
> I'm all for this, I might even be able to move to a cheaper country and do the full digital nomad thing. I sort of want to find a way to save a minimum of $100,000 per year in order to retire within the next 10 years.

As someone from a "cheaper country", a crazy amount of these jobs dries out when they figure that they'll need to deal with your tax/labor law employment situation.

There's still plenty of remote work, just make sure you don't go into this completely blind.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by zinckiwi on Thursday January 28, 2021 @06:10PM (#25950867)
PEOs make this... well, not easy, but certainly less onerous.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_employer_organiza...

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by woodson on Friday January 29, 2021 @02:44AM (#25955042)
But international PEOs have such crazy high fees that finding a local tax accountant suddenly becomes much less of a bad idea.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @03:48PM (#25948959)
Okay, cheaper American city !
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by thatfrenchguy on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:15PM (#25949340)
Sadly most american cities are cheap for a reason, unless you're into suburban life obviously.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:49PM (#25949810)
Actually I found Chicago to be extremely affordable, and really lively. The absolute friendliest people on earth.

If remote work holds up I expect to see San Fran's real estate market, at least it's rental market collapse

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by shinkim0914 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:12PM (#25950150)
The cost of living in Chicago is amazing for a Top 3 metro. My theory has always been that the winter weather discount is baked into the CoL.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by jlaurend on Thursday January 28, 2021 @08:37PM (#25952471)
Chicago's a very nice city. There are basically three main factors keeping the cost low currently:

1. Population decline. 2. A very large amount of good housing stock. Chicago's completely flat with solid public transit reaching out to the suburbs. 3. Lower proportion of tech and startups. Similar to how tech has driven up the CoL in many cities, the relative lack of tech in Chicago has kept CoL down.

Winter is rough in Chicago, but the CoL in Boston has skyrocketed which invalidates that as being the _only_ reason.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by shinkim0914 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @09:20PM (#25952837)
Agreed, weather cannot be the only reason. What drives the population decline in Chicago despite the low CoL?
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by toomuchtodo on Thursday January 28, 2021 @10:24PM (#25953426)
Rising tax burden and fiscal mismanagement. Check out property taxes and the debt Chicago, Cook County, and the state carry.

Your dollars go further in Tennessee, Florida, or Texas (all of which have no state income tax).

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by pchristensen on Sunday January 31, 2021 @08:41PM (#25984643)
Chicago has a huge part (1M+) that's effectively a Rust Belt city like Cleveland, St. Louis, or Detroit. It has deindustrialized and suffered disinvestment, and anyone in that section that has the ability to leave does.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by pchristensen on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:46PM (#25950610)
Chicago has a wealthy, top-tier global city of 500k inside a depressed Rust Belt city of 2.5M. There's significantly less economic and population pressure on the core global city.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:32PM (#25950409)
Such a great place, I try to tell, particularly young people how important picking the right city is. If you pick a bad City, you're going to end up not being able to afford to live your life will be needlessly stressful, you won't be able to find a partner. But if you pick a good city live can be pretty good
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by thatfrenchguy on Saturday January 30, 2021 @02:12PM (#25971984)
> If remote work holds up I expect to see San Fran's real estate market, at least it's rental market collapse

San Francisco's climate, walkable hoods, having a ton of things to do will probably make it come back from the dead even if the tech industry were to actually leave.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by dudul on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:26PM (#25949502)
One of these reasons is often the lack of jobs. Suburbs are actually often fairly expensive since they try to bring the good of the country (individual houses, bigger lots) closer to the city where good jobs are located.
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by LockAndLol on Friday January 29, 2021 @05:01AM (#25955766)
Just curious, why a city? What does a city give you personally that a town doesn't?
Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by offtop5 on Friday January 29, 2021 @11:37AM (#25959156)
Public transportation.

Events and opportunities to socialize.

Even if I have a family one day, I still would want my kids to take language classes , etc.

I hate driving ( particularly when commuting), so a town wouldn't really work.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by 908B64B197 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @04:48PM (#25949801)
> As someone from a "cheaper country", a crazy amount of these jobs dries out when they figure that they'll need to deal with your tax/labor law employment situation.

Why not make your laws more friendly?

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by dghlsakjg on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:14PM (#25950174)
Reforming an entire country's tax and employment law to enable a few hundred people to work for companies too lazy to comply with the law is impractical at best. It's an edge case, and many of those laws are there to protect workers anyway.

Frequently the issue isn't so much that compliance is extraordinary difficult, it is that there is no section in the HR manual for handling it, and they don't want to deal with it. Most of the time it would take two days of labor at most, and a small percentage of the employee salary to make it kosher. In Canada it is so common that there is an entire industry that will arrange legal employment of Canadians by foreign corporations with no local presence. Most US companies don't even want to hear about how easy it is to comply.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by 908B64B197 on Thursday January 28, 2021 @07:21PM (#25951663)
Just imagine the labor pool if hiring from your country by a US corporation was trivial.

I guess the existing rent-seekers wouldn't like it however.

Re:Shift to Remote Work Based on 7k HN Who Is Hiring Posts by izacus on Thursday January 28, 2021 @05:17PM (#25950219)
It's not about friendliness, it's about difference. As soon as the legal situation changes, many companies immediately get cold feet.