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Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by conradfr on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:04PM (#25735629)
Having not played in years and like everyone else I guess I went to chess.com after watching the Queen's Gambit, which they mention was an even bigger peak than lockdown, and I was impressed by the site: you can play immediately without registering and the user interface is nice and intuitive.

It's very refreshing.

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by Buttons840 on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:10PM (#25735743)
https://lichess.org/ is also very good. You can play without registering, all features are available to everyone for free, and the site is open source. It's a good clean website without ads or tracking.

(I used to be bitter about chess.com, thinking they're just cashing in on their domain name and charging for features because they can. And that may be, I don't know. But I have seen them organize some good chess events, so they might not be all bad. I think they pay streamers to use their site though, a practice I'm not too happy about.)

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by __s on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:35PM (#25737557)
I was bitter towards chess.com after they sent me my password through the forgot password process

That was a decade ago though. Maybe they've improved

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by benatkin on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:13PM (#25742181)
They certainly have. Now not only are their user accounts secure, they are on the bleeding edge of detecting and kicking off cheaters.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by the_arun on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:09AM (#25743760)
How do they make money?
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by me_me_me on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @06:15AM (#25745322)
Premium features.

You can pay to get an extra move or a take-back (only joking).

Actually thinking about it, there probably is a cheap chess clonelike app on mobile market that does that.

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by DobryMorozov on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:13AM (#25745813)
There is! "Chess Online"
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by me_me_me on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @08:04AM (#25746253)
Oh no. You shattered my remaining slither of hope in mobile app market.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by chaorace on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:09AM (#25747853)
If you think that's bad, check out this GDC Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8Lhqri8tZk

They procedurally generated 1,500+ different iterations on top of the same Unity-based slots shovelware using noun/adjective pairs. The general success they enjoyed is as sad as it is hilarious. For the record, the most enticing descriptor categories were: "3D", "Luxury", "Casino/Gambling", and "Sexy".

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by me_me_me on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:44AM (#25748334)
Stop it! This is soul crushing... and funny.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by amw-zero on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:19AM (#25743831)
By charging their users money.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by majormjr on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @07:32AM (#25745972)
They have a premium membership that gives a few extra features like game analysis.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by amw-zero on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:19AM (#25743829)
I’m quite happy that they are able to make money off of a game like chess. I don’t see a problem with “cashing in on their domain name.” They provide value to people, and people are willing to pay.

You generally have to pay to be a member of a chess club for example. For a fraction of the price, you can play with anyone in the world. Seems valuable to me.

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by winrid on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:21PM (#25739498)
Back in 2014 the lichess app would send your username/password in clear text :) will have to see if that's still the case...
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by zests on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:36PM (#25740584)
Paying people to play chess can't be a bad thing. I prefer chess.com to lichess specifically because I support chess players by using chess.com. Streamers, tournaments, article writers...
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by ptudan on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:58PM (#25736783)
What's so bad about influencer marketing? It is the norm these days. Inevitably competition will do it if you don't.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by oli5679 on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:33PM (#25737519)
As an online chess player I find it a bit shady.

Lichess.org has a better UX and featureset for free than a premium chess.com subscription, but many of my friends watch steamers --> sign up to chess.com and get a worse expereince.

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by Kranar on Monday January 11, 2021 @05:02PM (#25737986)
Very subjective opinion about the UX.

I much prefer chess.com's UX. They allow multiple pre-moves vs. lichess that only allows 1 premove, has much better cheat detection and overall much better handling of players who engage in bad behavior (abandoning lost games) by segregating repeat offenders into a pool of their own so they don't affect well behaved players, and lichess has a very quirky and unnecessary 300 move limit, which one can argue is more than enough for regular chess, but for speed chess is just a nuisance.

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by eeegnu on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:17PM (#25742210)
I've played speed chess for years, and I have never hit 300 moves in a game. The only way this will ever happen is if both sides are intentionally trying to avoid 3 move repetition.

And in terms of premoving, chess.com spends 0.1 seconds per premove whereas on lichess it's instantaneous, so I've found games tend to last longer on lichess move wise.

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by oli5679 on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:48PM (#25740702)
Sounds like valid reasons. I think we have different preferences - I like the lichess aesthetic, unlimited free puzzles, engine evaluations and opening explorer and lack of freemium popups.

Hope you enjoy your games, and your preferences seem reasonable too!

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by billfruit on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @10:00AM (#25747727)
Also lichess has good number of variants, for example its very easy to get a game of CrazyHouse in lichess, whereas can you play CrazyHouse in Chess.com.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by dilyevsky on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:33PM (#25740546)
How does lichess handle abandoned games? About half the time I don’t even get to claim the early win and i can see the other player is already playing another game
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by distortedsignal on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:54PM (#25742459)
If a player leaves your game, lichess gives like a 20 second timer and then lets you claim victory. I believe there are also "offer draw" options, but I'm not sure.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by dilyevsky on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @02:21AM (#25743472)
Oh is it not a thing on chess.com? Ime lichess abandoned game detector is not super reliable but i guess better than nothing
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by IbyvzOneoneh on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @03:40AM (#25743978)
Chess.com has 60 seconds countdown after leaving a match (at least in 10 min mode, haven't played others that much). Also, in daily chess there is a time limit for every move. Failing to move on time results in automatic resignation
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by Buttons840 on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @01:42AM (#25743243)
You can claim victory or a draw in that situation.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by chmod775 on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:15PM (#25740346)
Marketing is antithetical to a free market, because it makes consumers prefer brands with the better marketing to brands with better value at a given price point.

This is why advertising is so heavily regulated - though not even close to regulated enough.

Marketing via 'influencers' is even worse than other forms of marketing because it is one of the least regulated spaces, especially when graphed against its relative effectiveness.

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by rtpg on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:35PM (#25741142)
I bit the bullet and got a subscription. The game analysis feature is really good (I guess you can just run that client-side in theory? I don't know), and the lesson content feels worth it for me. And stuff like 4-player chess is fun.

The main homepage is a huge mess though...

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by freewilly1040 on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:59PM (#25741301)
> The game analysis feature is really good (I guess you can just run that client-side in theory? I don't know)

Indeed, this is how Lichess (optionally) does it (for free).

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by maxfan8 on Monday January 11, 2021 @09:04PM (#25741335)
They also offer server-side rendering as well (provided by volunteers through fishnet): https://github.com/niklasf/fishnet
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by conradfr on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:13PM (#25735825)
I think you mean .org and yeah that seems alright and the open-sourcing is interesting (resisting trolling on node ;).

It's all about SEO, chess.com is the first result on Google and DDG for "chess".

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by Buttons840 on Monday January 11, 2021 @03:19PM (#25735937)
Thanks for the correction: https://lichess.org/
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by onecommentman on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:17PM (#25740998)
You can find a list of other chess websites at

https://www.chessstrategyonline.com/play-chess-online

Chess24 has Jan Gustafsson and Peter Svidler as commentators. Amazingly good English banter from a German and Russian. In general, the individual personalities of Nations comes through really well in chess commentary, since commentators are from all over the place, are quite sharp, and everyone is talking about the same thing in usually the same language (English). I didn’t even know Germans and Russians had a sense of humor...

ICC is an old (in Internet terms) established website.

Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by ehnto on Tuesday January 12, 2021 @12:09AM (#25742571)
I wish more sites would let you begin using the service before trying to hoover up user accounts. I understand why it's not always possible, but it sure is nice.
Re:A bit on scaling chess.com's database by awb on Monday January 11, 2021 @11:26PM (#25742273)
Their live commentary is surprisingly entertaining as well.

And they have a bunch of chess variants to mix things up.

All around impressive site.