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Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by chongli on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:31PM (#25717020)
Nothing short of steel wool is going to affect the patina.

Actually, if you throw it in the oven and set it to self-clean it'll strip the seasoning right off. I've done it with my cast iron pan before. Washes completely clean and ends up gun-metal grey; a non-oxidized pure iron surface. This is a great way to start over with the seasoning process if you're unhappy with it.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by gambiting on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:44PM (#25717197)
Yes, if you happen to own an oven that has this feature. It's not exactly common.

Edit: because of course I triggered a storm. Maybe it's common elsewhere. I've lived in few EU countries, rented then owned a few houses, exactly only one of them had an oven with the self cleaning(by heating up to like 500C) feature, I don't think we ever used it. When we bought our current oven none of the ones we looked at had that function. A fancy Candy we looked at had a function where it cleans itself with steam(where you fill up a provided container with water and then it heats it up to fill the oven with steam and in theory that softens the gunk. No idea if that actually works).

If it's common where you live, then my apologies for this comment.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by nycticorax on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:08PM (#25717476)
Not sure where you're writing from, but it's very common in the US. This article (https://www.thekitchn.com/why-you-should-almost-never-use-th...) quotes someone who works for an appliance store in Cincinnati who says it's difficult to sell an oven without that feature. And as others have said, every oven I have every owned (or that my parents owned when I was around and capable of forming memories) has been self-cleaning.

Maybe it sounds fancier than it is? Is not like it has a little robot that cleans the oven. It's just a mode where the oven can get the internal temperature very high (up to 1000 degrees F according to that article) that just incinerates any organic material stuck to the oven walls.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by saiya-jin on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:26PM (#25720792)
Its not fancy, but I guess it requires a bit more resilient engineering/materials than 250C ovens. Its definitely not a norm in budget/medium priced ovens in Europe, even for new. I mean brands like Bosch mostly don't have it here, I never had one (house, 2 apartments, couple of rental apartments all with full kitchen, kitchen < 10 years old).
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by rrrrrrrrrrrryan on Monday January 11, 2021 @06:11PM (#25739317)
Do you guys use electric ovens?

Most ovens in the U.S. burn natural gas, which burns at 1000 degrees F (which is the self-cleaning temperature).

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by astura on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:42PM (#25720978)
In my experience it was fairly uncommon 30+ years ago, but common today.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by chipsa on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:12PM (#25717539)
Mine doesn't, but that's because it's too fancy, and has a special coating on the inside that's supposed to make stuff just come off. Freaking Whirlpool. It doesn't work.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by butterfi on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:57PM (#25717348)
Really? I figured most ovens had a self-cleaning option... I did this trick to recondition several cast iron pans and it works great, but be prepared for massive amounts of greasy smoke.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by onli on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:25PM (#25717736)
Afaik it's just not a thing in europe. Only high end models have it, and even then it's an optional feature that costs extra. Even in a kitchen I rented where just the sink faucet did cost 1000€ the self-cleaning module of the oven was not installed.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by iamacyborg on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:51PM (#25718059)
We tend to have pretty different ovens in Europe vs the US.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by ros86 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:30PM (#25720127)
Just a random thought (lived both in the US and in the EU): could it be that US ovens are more often gas ovens while in the EU it's mostly electric? (might be easier to get higher temperatures with gas).

Couldn't find statistics on this with a quick search...

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by the_pwner224 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:22PM (#25720742)
It's the opposite... my oven in the US doesn't have the cleaning thing, turns out it's because it's gas only. The gas stovetop + electric oven version of this model has it. Seems to be a thing even with other manufacturers and models.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by iamacyborg on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:18PM (#25720697)
I’ve lived in the US and EU too. My experience was we have fan assisted ovens in the EU whereas ones I saw in the US had a top and bottom element with no fan assist.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by astura on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:47PM (#25721055)
Fan assisted ovens are also called "convection ovens." They certainly exist in the US, but I think they are more high end? I personally have one, it also has a self-clean function. The stove part is gas but I think (?) the oven is electric.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by iamacyborg on Monday January 11, 2021 @08:32AM (#25728619)
Ovens are smaller here typically and you’ll more often than not find the oven and hob (stove) as separate appliances.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by slavik81 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @05:01PM (#25720500)
I'm in Canada, but I don't think I've ever seen a gas oven. All my ovens have been electric, and nearly all of them had a self-clean option.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by OJFord on Sunday January 10, 2021 @07:21PM (#25722199)
Yes it is, it's marketed as 'pyrolytic', it's the norm above roughly £350 and unusual roughly below.

But yes, it is just an element that can go hotter and a shell that can withstand it. Ovens are incredibly overpriced for how rudimentary they are IMO. Ripe for 'disruption' if you had something non-bullshit to compete on but price - sizing is already standardised.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by onli on Monday January 11, 2021 @07:20AM (#25727943)
`pyrolytic` does not exist as a keyword for ovens in my country. I just checked at the biggest retailer for such stuff.

The cleaning module of the one oven I'm aware of that had that option was more than just a heating thing. The manual talked about foam and how to refill it. Different countries, different mechanisms I assume.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by hnick on Sunday January 10, 2021 @10:29PM (#25724048)
Never seen it in Australia either but maybe I'm sheltered.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by xxs on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:30PM (#25719340)
interesting - both electrolux ovens i have had in the last 10y do have self cleaning. that just - heat as much as possible mode.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by BikiniPrince on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:33PM (#25719380)
You can do it with a propane grill as the temperatures are hot enthused to carbonize any polymers.

Or just use easy off which is a spray on acid.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by drjasonharrison on Sunday January 10, 2021 @10:17PM (#25723943)
Easy Off is a spray on with a pH well above 7, thus a base. Not an acid.

http://www.rbnainfo.com/product.php?productLineId=2704

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by soperj on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:04PM (#25717420)
I lived in some of the crappiest places, never had a fancy oven. Every single one had a self cleaning option.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by mikepurvis on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:24PM (#25719264)
Some wackos disable the safety latch and then cook pizza in their ovens on the self clean cycle:

https://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/index.php?topic=268.0

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by giardini on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:52PM (#25719643)
Thank you for the most informative post on this HN discussion!
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by philwelch on Sunday January 10, 2021 @12:53PM (#25717286)
I’ve never had a non-self-cleaning oven.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by mdtusz on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:02PM (#25717406)
I've tried this a few times and none of the ovens I've had over the years have been successful in removing seasoning with their self-cleaning, so at this point I'm trying to find a machine shop that will be happy to bead blast it and mill the surface flat again. So far, most shops have given me quotes in the hundreds of dollars so I've been waiting until I meet someone that has the capability to just do it in their garage.

Most new cast iron cookware now has a raw surface with lots of pits and bumps from the casting process as well, which doesn't seem to get nearly as smooth and non-stick as "vintage" cookware.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by slacka on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:59PM (#25718177)
Since quarantine life, I've been cooking multiple times a day. My oven's self-clean makes my pans look exactly like new. Takes all of the black off leaving them with a shiny, silvery shine. I then have to season them to regain a nonstick coating as good as any Ceramic/Teflon pan that I've used.

As far soap. My experience is that it definitely damages the nonstick coating, depending on how much you use. You can get by with a soapy sponge, but putting detergent directly on it and the nonstick coating will be lost.

The best way to avoid need to avoid soap or scrubbing and re-seasoning is to put hot water in the pan while it's still hot and scrape. Meat is the worst for leaving a coating and this technique removes 99% of it.(If not blackened use that water for a delicious sauce with all the best flavors of your cooking). This routine allows me to use the same pan for months without a deep cleaning.

I have tried to put cold oil on after heaving soaping, but I'm not happy with the pan until I season it with high heat. The only reason I'd do it for rust and still would pan on seasoning it properly later.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by ethbr0 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:19PM (#25718487)
The biggest difference I've found (moreso on stainless steel than cast iron) is food weight: which is to say, time food is left without moving.

Which makes sense. Essentially burnt-to-pan bits are food-pan interface, as opposed to food-oil-pan interface.

Give enough time, heavy food displaces oil and comes in direct contact with pan. Given enough movement, oil is able to reimpose itself between the two.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by captrb on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:44PM (#25717967)
I used a propane grill and it was very, very effective. I removed the grates and (if I recall correctly) rested the pan on the heat deflection sheets. I left all burners on for about 2 1/2 hours. After cooling, the previous coating was reduced to a thin dust. After blowing it off, the pan was gun metal grey.

I then used a cheap corded drill and inexpensive flap wheels and similar attachments from the hardware store to make it smooth, wearing an N95 mask to protect my lungs.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by chipsa on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:10PM (#25717501)
Self cleaning should reach a high enough temp for it, because most of what you use the self-cleaning to take off is effectively seasoning. If it's not getting hot enough, use something else to get it hot enough (blowtorch, maybe).

For smoothing out the surface, you could just use a flapwheel. You can get them for angle grinders. This will also take off seasoning if necessary (but it's a bit worse for the pan if you're not also trying to smooth it out). Be sure to wear a respirator and googles if you're doing this.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by jnellis on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:11PM (#25718376)
Our dog's food bowl is about the most mirror polished metal in the house. Free labor.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by ethbr0 on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:11PM (#25719123)
Just wait until you diamond-grit-coat Fluffy's tongue...
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by BikiniPrince on Sunday January 10, 2021 @03:34PM (#25719395)
You can stick the pan in a bag, spray on some easy off and let it soak overnight.
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by denton-scratch on Monday January 11, 2021 @04:59AM (#25726824)
If you're planning to re-season an old pan, easily the best way of stripping off old crud is caustic soda. Leave the pan in a bath of caustic for 24 hours, then scrub with wire wool.

Voila - a clean iron surface. Use rubber gloves, and wash off any splash with lots of water - caustic soda is nasty stuff.

I use flaxseed oil. It works. Unless you have an awful lot of pans, your small bottle of flaxseed oil will only be 10% used by the time it goes rancid; swallow the cost.

I've tried this on a goood carbon-steel omelette pan. The result was mixed; a grubby-looking polymer layer that comes off in the wash, but a pan that still works well, and has reasonable non-stick properties. I suspect that with carbon steel, the oil only needs to get into the pores in the metal, and doesn't need to form a layer on the surface at all.

But my best experience has been with cast iron: a mexican comal, to be specfic. I stripped and seasoned my comal about 8 years ago, and the finish is still flawless.

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by gnicholas on Sunday January 10, 2021 @04:04PM (#25719809)
Apparently there is some controversy over whether the self-cleaning cycle is bad for ovens. [1] [2]

1: https://www.thekitchn.com/why-you-should-almost-never-use-th...

2: https://lifehacker.com/dont-use-your-ovens-self-cleaning-fun...

Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by im3w1l on Sunday January 10, 2021 @01:04PM (#25717423)
How does this work?
Re:Chemistry of Cast-Iron Seasoning (2010) by sircastor on Sunday January 10, 2021 @02:04PM (#25718256)
Self cleaning ovens bake as hot as they can to vaporize material. After the cycle is complete, you take a brush and sweep out the ash.