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Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @09:07AM (#25527525)
I'm loving my Apple Watch. I wasn't entirely sure yet what to think of the watch as a form factor, given that a phone can do everything it can and more. But there's three interesting aspects that have really added value for me.

1) is health data, in a way a computer or phone just can't do. It tracks things like heartrate that a phone + heartrate strap is too convoluted for, for non-athletes. Plus it's all-day and quite accurate. My phone counts my steps in my pocket for example, but not when I'm at home or in the office. My watch can differentiate when I'm cycling to work with my phone in my jacket and detect exercise, whereas my phone may think I'm in a tram or on a motorised scooter.

2) is gamification of exercise. Closing rings, notifications, nudges, vibrations, competitions. It all demands attention and lets you 'jump in' from the wrist much easier, than an app on a phone. It's been a great extrinsic motivational tool to jump-start a change in behaviour for a few months, that can then turn into a long-term intrinsic habit.

3) freedom from the phone. You can open digital locks with the watch, pay with the watch, listen to music or podcasts, get directions on maps, make calls, send (dictated) messages, keep an eye on your mail and calendar etc. I can reliable leave my phone at home, or just leave it in my jacket when I'm visiting friends. Notifications can be set to only allow priority ones in certain settings. It's the first time in 10 years that I'm moving away from having a phone available and in-vision all the time. The Watch doesn't induce mindless scrolling and consumption in a way a phone does, and can be configured to only demand your attention for things you want it to (e.g. certain notifications).

It's definitely not quite where I'd like it to be. Things like battery life, looks, software etc, there's much to gain still. But as a form factor I'm pretty convinced I will be using this for many years to come, and getting upgrades when they become available.

First time series 6 user by the way.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by csa on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:43AM (#25529018)
All of my friends told me something similar, so I got one.

It just collects dust now.

- The health tracking and gamification of exercise was somewhere between meh and useless for me. I don’t have exercise issues.

- The freedom from the phone has potential, but the ostensible ease of use just isn’t worth the hassle of wearing a watch. I’m ok just pulling out my phone.

- The deep breathing option was probably the app i liked most. Now I just do deep breathing exercises at regular times during the day for, what I assume, are similar effects.

I can certainly imagine that it can improve the quality of life for some (many?) people, but I don’t find myself to be one of these people.

That said, I really wish I did have a profound experience with it. I’m always down for good quality of life improvements.

If anyone has ideas for using the Apple Watch that some people seem to miss, please let me know. I’m willing to give it another go.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @02:29PM (#25530612)
> I don’t have exercise issues.

Well that's what I told my brother, don't get one because you do sports 3-4 times a week anyway. For me it was a motivational thing, seeing my trends in activity, getting nudges, doing competitions with friends, seeing my Vo2max go up over-time, are all great, but unnecessary for my brother.

> the ostensible ease of use just isn’t worth the hassle of wearing a watch. I’m ok just pulling out my phone.

I'd say there's a mix-up here. The watch isn't easy to use versus the phone, which is the primary reason that it allows freedom from a digital device that demands constant attention. Secondly, if you're okay pulling out your phone, then you're really saying you don't have any wish to be free from your phone, so there's an audience mismatch here.

The freedom from the phone first requires you to actually agree that you need it, for many of us that's the case. If you do, the second part is being able to leave your phone at home when you go for a walk, go to the gym, go see friends, go clubbing etc. But for many that's a step too far, without any alternative offering functionality like payments, music, maps, messages, calls. The watch offers that, but in a way that's not super easy to use, but will get the job done. This is why the watch will never be a place where you scroll through social media for hours, or refresh your 5 news apps for the news junkies among us, but the easy-to-use phone, will be.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by extrapickles on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:45PM (#25529610)
I haven’t come across anything profound with it, it mainly reduces friction from not needing to be taken out of a pocket and unlocked.

Contactless payments are fairly nice as you can double tap the button, and hold the watchface over a reader, no need to get out your wallet and find the card you want to pay with.

Back when going out with others was a thing, it’s calculator has features for tips and splitting checks.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by andreilys on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:47PM (#25529632)
My biggest value-add is being able to leave my phone at home.

Being able to listen to podcasts and audio-books on my watch while going for walks and running errands has been great. With Apple Pay I don't even need to take my wallet with me and can just tap with my watch.

Also the reminder to "close my rings" and being able to enter "competitions" with friends has been a great motivator for me to exercise.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by matsemann on Thursday December 24, 2020 @01:09PM (#25529815)
As for exercising, if one's into that one might as well buy a proper watch for that. My Garmin can play music via BT and pay without my phone present. In addition it's tracking and fitness functions are way better than a normal smart watch. And the battery lasts longer than a day. More than a week even though I use the gps for an hour a day.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:09PM (#25531439)
Agreed, I'd say one is a smartwatch, the other is a fitness tracker. The Garmin can't make calls or send text messages, for example. Most don't even have NFC or wifi, although the Felix 6 pro does, but it's also quite a lot more expensive than the 6, let alone the SE. The resolution is typically about half as much, the screen size is smaller, thicker, heavier, brightness is lower, and the screen to bezel is much worse. It's just not something I'd wear with a suit to the office, or at a dinner, or when I go clubbing because it just doesn't look very nice. It's something I'd wear during workouts. But because of that, it's more limited in use, has less value, and isn't quite worth the price for me. It also means I'm not wearing it all day, so it won't give me all-day health data tracking. Dancing for 4 hours at a party would get tracked, heartrate, calories etc, on my apple watch. But I wouldn't bring the garmin felix 6 pro to such an occasion. (there's smaller versions but I find their specs/feature set is a lot worse).

As a fitness tracker I'd say it's superior to the apple watch.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by matsemann on Thursday December 24, 2020 @05:28PM (#25532090)
I guess it depends on one's circle. In my eyes one looks kinda like a dork with an Apple watch. But a fitness watch signalizes health and taking care of yourself/sportiness. I wear my garmin 945 everywhere, and most people I hang out with do the same.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @05:57PM (#25532315)
I'll grant you it certainly does depend on the circle, but we're on a pretty dorky forum so I don't think our circles are particularly representative :p

But to me, while a fitness-focused watch does signal sportiness etc, which are great qualities, so does a heartrate strap or sweat band. You wouldn't wear it in the office, at a dinner, or at a party. Of course those are some extreme examples that aren't 1:1 comparable with a garmin. But the general principle to me is the same, to me a garmin 945 looks great on people doing sports, and out-of-place on people not wearing sports clothes.

I think this looks really classy for example, and could easily be worn on something casual (that's not sport clothes) or formal, without looking out of place: https://media.karousell.com/media/photos/products/2019/04/15...

The way that the watch is mostly screen and that screen can show a style compatible with any situation, with swappable bands, is a lot more stylish and versatile than something bulky, with a very large bezel, limited watch face choices, a dim low-resolution screen, often not always-on etc. (not sure 'bout the 945 on all of these btw, just my general impression).

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by jasondelta on Friday December 25, 2020 @04:53AM (#25535463)
I disagree. Garmin's high end watches are styled just the same as standard timepieces, but they just happen to be serious fitness trackers (in particular, see the Forerunner 945, Fenix series, and Marq series). Even with the standard wristband they generally fit in where any other timepiece would, and even more so if you pair it with a classic metal band (which is easily swapped in). Likewise, the watch face is customizable and subdued, unlike the glaringly bright screen of an Apple Watch. It's hard to pass off an Apple Watch as anything but obvious, chintzy tech gear.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by matsemann on Thursday December 24, 2020 @06:06PM (#25532377)
I agree with your assessment.

But it's just that in Norway, sports wear is so in fashion that it bleeds over to everyday- and even formal clothing. Instead of a wool sweater, one wears a sporty wool baselayer like "kari traa". Instead of sun glasses it's sports glasses. Instead of a winter coat it's a ski jacket etc.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by andreilys on Thursday December 24, 2020 @03:16PM (#25531019)
I don’t think Garmin offers enough fitness features to justify having two different watches.

The Apple Watch is much more versatile and general purpose. Having access to Siri on my wrist has been pretty helpful, paired with AirPods and I can navigate most of life without my phone.

We’re quite habituated to charging our phones every night. Doing the same with your watch (especially if you purchase a stand for it), is a very low friction habit to follow.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by matsemann on Thursday December 24, 2020 @05:26PM (#25532078)
For me it's the opposite. Fitness is the most important, and the basic smart watch features on the Garmin is enough that I can't justify a second smart watch.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by SyzygistSix on Thursday December 24, 2020 @03:25PM (#25531095)
>can play music via BT

What is BT?

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @03:40PM (#25531215)
bluetooth
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by corytheboyd on Thursday December 24, 2020 @05:53PM (#25532289)
It sounds like you bought this expecting life changing gains, and maybe that is how OP is coming across too?

These things are not life changing, but they have their fun use cases. If you can accept that it’s not going to 10x your productivity and just want something technically neat maybe you’ll find a use for it again.

Or not, and you can just sell it for a quick buck :p

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by fsflover on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:06AM (#25528044)
“Full day, 18 hours” battery life ruined it all for me. Too much trouble to charge so often.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by a254613e on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:12AM (#25528106)
While 18 hours is what apple says, their scenario for 18 hour usage is probably very uncommon.

At least for me it is. And thus I get around 2 days battery life with a 4 year old series 2 watch.

Their official test includes "45 minutes of app use, and a 60-minute workout with music playback from Apple Watch via Bluetooth"[0] - so unless you plan on doing that you can easily expect double the battery time.

[0] - https://www.apple.com/watch/battery/

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by wincy on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:19AM (#25528165)
It does feel really good to go on a jog without bringing my phone. That’s my favorite part of my Apple Watch, upgrading from the series 0 to the Series 6 cellular. I barely wore my series 0 and got bored of it, but the 6 feels indispensable.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by skohan on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:46AM (#25529046)
I have a series 6, and if I throw it on the charger while I'm in the shower in general I don't have to think about battery life
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by metal on Thursday December 24, 2020 @06:02PM (#25532347)
18 hours is absurd, IMO. I have a Garmin Instinct Solar that gets up to 24 days of battery life without any solar exposure (there's unlimited battery life with enough exposure unless you use GPS a lot). I get notifications for any phone app I want, plus GPS when I need it and a multitude of fitness tracking, including round the clock heart beat monitoring. I can't use it as a phone or send texts (though I can read them) so I guess that's where it "lags" behind the Apple Watch. I think it's the perfect fitness tracker that's also a rugged watch.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by Daneel_ on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:46AM (#25528474)
I miss my pebble time so much. 6-7 day battery life, always on screen, extremely customisable.. sigh :(
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by wincy on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:17AM (#25528148)
I have the series 6 and also wish the battery life was just a little bit longer. It feels like I have very little wiggle room, and have to charge it once a day around the same time or it’ll die. I’m writing this from an iPhone 12 Pro Max that hasn’t been on a charger since yesterday morning when I got out of bed.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by selykg on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:05PM (#25531413)
I charge mine while I’m in the shower usually. Or if I’ve hit all my goals for the day I’ll toss it on the charger before bed.

It doesn’t take long to get a reasonable charge on it. I usually keep it around 80% at most anyway. It gets me through the day at 80% and through the night since I use it for sleep tracking and alarm.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by hu3 on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:26AM (#25528245)
It depends on how many apps you pair with the watch.

My colleague gets 24 hours battery life on her series 6. Still uncomfortable compared to the usual week+ battery life Garmins.

On the cheaper side, another colleague has an Amazfit Blip Lite which lasts 30 days on a 2 hour charge and can withstand up to 30 meters underwater.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by cj on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:28AM (#25528277)
The Series 3 has better battery life than the Series 6 (from my experience owning both).

I think the difference is the Series 6 screen never fully turns off. I imagine disabling "always on" mode would likely push battery life much higher, but that's just a guess

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @02:43PM (#25530748)
Yeah I can easily get 2 days when I turn off always-on. Sometimes I do because the watch distracts me sometimes when its always on. But the screen is also bigger, that doesn't help.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by baxtr on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:35AM (#25528356)
It’s actually no big deal for me. I charge mine 30min every morning and I’m done for the day.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by bloopernova on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:23AM (#25528215)
Possibly a silly question, but does the Apple Watch work with Android? Or at least with a Mac?
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by neogodless on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:33AM (#25528319)
https://old.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/iqg81v/what_fu...

This plus the first few Google search results tell me it's not going to work without an iPhone.

This is why I do not buy into the Apple ecosystem, even if individual elements are superior to competitors. I do not want to be completely constricted to one ecosystem. My world involves Microsoft, Google, Steam, Epic, Blizzard, Logitech, Fossil, Asus, HP, Lenovo, etc. and I will continue to swap in and out components as desired.

But I am sad that WearOS options are generally so terrible (at least in performance and features, though some of the physical designs are much better than anything else). And a little jealous of the happy M1-based Macbook users with their battery life!

Ah to dream of having your cake and eating it, too. But we each must choose our own collection of compromises!

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by fsflover on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:34AM (#25528342)
Have a look at PineTime, the open-source smart watch.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by emcq on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:29AM (#25528886)
You can get all this functionality and more working beautifully with Android with Garmin watches. Mine lasts for many days on a charge (perhaps a week without activity tracking), has better sport tracking features, but the screen isn't quite as good. There are currently a few good deals on the Vivoactive 3, but also many higher end models available too.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by noarchy on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:56AM (#25529146)
I use a Vivoactive 3, and the battery definitely doesn't last days if I actually use it to track a specific exercise. I'm quite unimpressed with the battery life, but the watch is fairly feature-rich, otherwise.

If I just wear it without running anything, then yes, it can last days. But if all I want is to track heart rate, sleep, and such, I can get that with a much cheaper watch.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by izacus on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:53AM (#25528548)
No it doesn't. But check out Samsung Galaxy Watch series, they are a very decent competitor and they offer superior battery life.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by baxtr on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:34AM (#25528343)
Nope. You need an iPhone...
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by wadkar on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:40AM (#25528410)
Nope, Apple Watch requires an iPhone
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by corytheboyd on Thursday December 24, 2020 @05:45PM (#25532211)
I got one for free, handed down to me by my partner after she upgraded, the stakes were pretty low for what I expected out of it.

It’s great! I silence the hell out of my phone (on top of having almost all notifications off) so the watch vibrations are useful to me for not missing messages I care about.

Super easy to read 2FA codes through SMS without digging up the phone. The LastPass Authenticator has a watch integration but it’s never worked for me. I’m sure there are other authenticator apps that work for the watch though.

Logging workouts is easy, it’s fun to compare rings with my partner but we’re not serious about it and don’t really need the watch to get motivated about being active.

Hands down my favorite feature is surprisingly the maps integration. If you just ignore the baseless memes about “Apple Maps bad” (works fine for me these days, but I saw how bad it was at its inception back in the day too) and just use it, you get the watch integration for free too. The vibrations for left/right turn are a very nice feature that don’t require averting attention at all, but you have the option of viewing the watch for a quick preview of the maps route (distance to next event and a visual, i.e. right three lanes to exit right).

Just some feedback from a guy without strong opinions for or against the thing.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by boringg on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:09AM (#25528073)
Agree on this. I thought I would hate the watch but it has been very unobtrusive nice add on. I don’t use email or texting on there and all notifications have been turned off. Great for quick checks in Heath, weather, workouts etc. and mine seems to be bomb proof!
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by skohan on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:51AM (#25529086)
Same - I resisted getting one for a long time, in general because I like to live minimally, but I finally caved in because I was interested in tracking biometrics, and it seems like the best option in terms of simplicity/performance for now.

I thought I might only wear it when I was training, but it turns out having information on my heart rate all day long is super interesting, and I'm really happy I have it.

Also I have turned off most of the notifications, but having the ones I want on my wrist without taking out my phone is actually super nice.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by LordKelv on Monday January 04, 2021 @09:14PM (#25641226)
Do you find the calorie tracking accurate?
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by gregd on Thursday December 24, 2020 @11:20AM (#25528802)
I have the Series 4 and it's fundamentally changed the way I interact with my iPhone when I'm out and about.

* I can answer calls while driving and not have to fumble around for my phone while driving my truck (The wife's SUV has fancy bluetooth integration)

* I can open and close my garage from my watch.

* I can voice message my family through Messages.

I only wish that the battery life were much longer than it is and that Apple could settle on one method of charging their devices, especially in vehicles with limited room.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by 2sk21 on Thursday December 24, 2020 @09:33AM (#25527753)
The Apple Watch has been a really amazing gadget and is well worth the expense. I would add the ease of using Apple Pay from the Watch as a very useful feature to your list.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by trianglem on Thursday December 24, 2020 @03:18PM (#25531036)
I agree wholeheartedly. The Apple Watch got me running 3 miles a day for the last six months or so. I’m wholly invested in closing the rings and I up the the difficulty every month or so. The biggest revelation was my resting heart rate was somewhere between 70-90 and that scared me. Doing the daily runs has reduced that to 65 so I really feel like I’m making progress.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @04:10PM (#25531457)
Tell me your Vo2 max trend! That's been the one to watch for me, happy to say I'm making quite a bit of progress there!
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by trianglem on Thursday December 24, 2020 @06:13PM (#25532439)
It’s relatively new, I started low at 36 but I’m up to 40 now!
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:28PM (#25533939)
Awesome :D same story here, but up to 42 now! Hope to hit and then keep it at least above 45 for many years to come, but I'll see if I can't reach 50...
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by nova22033 on Thursday December 24, 2020 @12:14PM (#25529304)
You should try the new Fitness+ app on the apple TV. Really good integration with the apple watch.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @02:51PM (#25530820)
I'd like to, but the fact they required the TV was pretty crazy, to me. They've captured a huge portion of the smartphone market, but apple tv is only 1-2% of the market, and in many countries much less than that.

They don't allow your phone to show Fitness+ on the TV through HDMI, nor through airplay. The phone screen is just way too small.

So what's left are iPads, which can be a really great experience, particularly on the 12 inch pro, but it's a shame they don't allow Macbooks... I'm okay with the buy-in to some extent but man... A watch, phone and an apple tv is necessary, all from the same company, plus a subscription just to do a video-assisted workout that shows your heartrate on the screen? That's a pretty insane proposition. Would've been great if they allowed more options or third-party stuff. Just casting from my iPhone would've been a good start, or casting on my macbook... Honestly it's pretty ridiculous.

Happy Macbook, iPhone, Apple Watch and Airpod Pro user, otherwise.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by wrboyce on Saturday December 26, 2020 @04:46AM (#25542405)
I don’t know where you got your information about fitness+ playback via airplay but it is incorrect. I just tried it and it works fine.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Sunday December 27, 2020 @07:09AM (#25550493)
From where to where? It's been all over the forums and news the past few weeks, e.g.:

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/12/14/apple-fitness-plus-no-a...

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by manuelflara on Thursday December 24, 2020 @09:44AM (#25527849)
I agree, as a proud owner of a latest gen Apple Watch, but I can see how its benefits are not enough for its price for most people (i.e. its very convenient, but also expensive)
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by IkmoIkmo on Thursday December 24, 2020 @02:56PM (#25530869)
I got mine through my insurance's cashback program, pretty cool. As long as you workout enough, you get 1/24th paid back monthly. The workout requirement isn't too crazy, commensurate with 2 weekly workouts and some daily activity (like a walk), and based on heartrate (so effort-based, instead of performance based. if you're out of shape and your heart rate goes up a lot from a simple walk, it'll get recognised as a serious workout for you, because in a way, it is).

Not sure I'd have gotten it otherwise. But at the same time, it's pretty easy to rationalise any cost when looking at it as a monthly payment haha. A 3-year usage and a 20% resale value on the SE ($280) will get you a $6 a month price. If that improves your daily activity by just 5 or 10%, that's probably the cheapest medical intervention in your life, ever. That's probably why the insurance companies offer cashbacks, it's a cool model. They can give me a watch for free every few years and get in return a person who, on average, spends >1x the apple watch less on healthcare costs, every year.

Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by pkrotich on Thursday December 24, 2020 @10:55AM (#25528564)
I never knew how bad my breathing (stress) was until I got an Apple Watch. Beside health data... the reminders to breath has literally changed my life.
Re:Ask HN: What Lived Up to the Hype? by greggman3 on Thursday December 24, 2020 @02:10PM (#25530414)
hmmm, I had bad experiences.

1) activity tracking is fake. Turn over on sofa, get told "congrats! you finished your activity"

2) sleep tracking is fake. Forget to wear it, get told "You slept great!

3) water proof is useless. I bought it because I was going to be surfing and wanted to know if it was close to time to meet up with others. But, while it is water proof you can't use it if the screen is wet

4) Not good for telling time - because often I'd twist my wrist and the face would not light up, try again fail, try again fail, RAGE! get out other hand to manually wake it up

Sold it 2 months after I got it.