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Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by manojlds on Friday December 18, 2020 @07:17AM (#25466356)
Ok so everyone knows and loves JetBrains.

What's their worst product so far?

Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by jansan on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:19AM (#25466745)
I always disliked the name IntelliJ IDEA by JetBrains. It has a product name, a comany name, and something else that until today (15 years after I used it for the first time) is still unclear to me. I mean wouldn't IntelliJ not have been enough? Or IntelliJ IDEA by IntelliJ? It is a fantastic product, but the name?
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by topka on Friday December 18, 2020 @09:25AM (#25467356)
Interesting. Most people I know actually call the product either just IDEA or IntelliJ. :)
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by singularity2001 on Friday December 18, 2020 @07:39AM (#25466481)
I'd say Android Studio and the whole gradle mess
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by AsyncAwait on Friday December 18, 2020 @07:45AM (#25466516)
Agreed, but I think that's not entirely on them, but rather the wider JVM & mobile dev ecosystems.

Still better than XCode which regularly looses syntax highlighting for no reason in 2020.

Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by thu2111 on Friday December 18, 2020 @10:28AM (#25467970)
Gradle isn't their product though. They just have to interop with it.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by mekster on Friday December 18, 2020 @04:06PM (#25472021)
Compared to the previous Eclipse environment, it's ton so much better...
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by insertnickname on Friday December 18, 2020 @10:02AM (#25467723)
Android Studio is a Google product built on top of IntelliJ.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by The_rationalist on Friday December 18, 2020 @02:35PM (#25470967)
Gradle with kotlin script is elegant and order of magnitude more powerful than npm & ci
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by izacus on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:13AM (#25466696)
YouTrack... I've never used a more confusing and feature lacking bug tracking system. And I've used both JIRA and BugZilla in professional capacity :)
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by mekster on Friday December 18, 2020 @04:07PM (#25472037)
Agreed. Never felt that their own bug tracker is impressive compared to other online services. It's just messy and not easy on the eyes. Maybe a different team is working on it?
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by The_rationalist on Friday December 18, 2020 @02:37PM (#25470982)
Interesting, what are some of the best features/designs from those systems that you find lacking in github/gitlab?
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by Aeolun on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:08AM (#25466664)
Datagrip.

I honestly still cannot understand why their database product does not show the encoding/collation for fields in mysql (and has no way to do it either).

Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by jordanab on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:31AM (#25466851)
I disagree. I use it daily as my tool to manage data in MySQL, Postgress, Sql server and Db2 databases, and it's probably one of my favorite JetBrains tools. As a Linux user there aren't that many good options available, and I am very grateful that they added this product to their line.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by mekster on Friday December 18, 2020 @04:09PM (#25472054)
For a standalone app, DataGrip is just too bloated and slow.

Native apps like TablePlus is so much faster to work with.

Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by The_rationalist on Friday December 18, 2020 @02:39PM (#25470995)
Why/when use datagrip instead of just the database view from intellij idea?
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by vanpythonista on Friday December 18, 2020 @02:42PM (#25471034)
The Database plugin from IntelliJ and Datagrip is essentially the same. My guess is people like to have separate tools based on their purpose and Datagrip serves that need.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by hadrien01 on Friday December 18, 2020 @07:50AM (#25466552)
I haven't been convinced by WebStorm (for Angular and Gatsby/React projects EDIT: with TypeScript). It doesn't feel as magical as IntelliJ or Rider/R#.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by thrower123 on Friday December 18, 2020 @11:39AM (#25468783)
I'm always impressed by how strong the WebStorm intellisense is on pure javascript projects. Somehow it mostly gets jump-to-definition right, even in AngularJS tarpits that are full of ngInject magic.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by Aeolun on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:07AM (#25466657)
Try using Typescript? It feels like magic to me anyway :)
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by abiro on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:15AM (#25466710)
Maybe not as great as Intellij, but definitely much better than VSCode
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by jansan on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:03AM (#25466630)
I cannot be as magical due to Javascript's dynamic typing. In Java/Kotlin, the IDE can know all about your classes, types, etc., but with Javascript is has to make some guesses.

I am using Webstorm for my side project and have to use Visual Studio Code for company work. Webstorm is so much better IMO. Everything feels to well integrated, while Visual Studio Code always feels like a toy to me.

Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by hadrien01 on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:26AM (#25466809)
I've used it with TypeScript exclusively. My qualms are more about debugging (VS Code creates a temporary Firefox profile in seconds and that's it; in WebStorm you need to configure Firefox to launch a certain way and then setup the debugger), the absence of refactoring options, framework support, etc.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by KptMarchewa on Friday December 18, 2020 @07:46AM (#25466528)
TeamCity, known as TeamShitty in my previous company.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by dhd415 on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:17AM (#25466727)
Saying that TeamCity is their worst product sounds like a back-handed compliment to me. It's certainly not a perfect product, but I've been in multiple jobs where they migrated the CI system (including one that did ~25k builds/day) to TeamCity and it was a significant improvement in scalability and manageability over Jenkins, Travis, and some other Windows-only CI system.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by isbvhodnvemrwvn on Friday December 18, 2020 @10:41AM (#25468098)
To be fair anything is a significant improvement over manageability of Jenkins.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by spyke112 on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:28AM (#25466825)
Oh how I have wasted days configuring build and deployment pipelines in TeamCity. Brings back some arguably bad memories!
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by abiro on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:13AM (#25466700)
I tend to run into performance regressions maybe once year after upgrading one of their non-Intellij products. I suppose this is because they mostly use Intellij internally so less dog fooding for other products.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by PZ81JUXJE7uJ on Friday December 18, 2020 @07:34AM (#25466451)
YouTrack is pretty slow.
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by simoneau on Friday December 18, 2020 @11:01AM (#25468336)
Still better than Jira!
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by thrower123 on Friday December 18, 2020 @12:28PM (#25469510)
Upsource (the code review/analytics thingy) probably?
Re:Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help by throw14082020 on Friday December 18, 2020 @08:15AM (#25466713)
AppCode