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Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by tinco on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @05:59AM (#25197322)
Many people assume that if they're seeing something that's more expensive than they're used to that they're being ripped off for some reason. Ripping people off with high prices is actually very rare nowadays, mostly thanks to the big online marketplaces.

These large price differentials are purely due to the insane economies of scale we're able to create. It's not a wonder that there's a 128GB USB stick as expensive as $1675, it's a wonder there's a 128GB USB stick as cheap as $27.

Imagine it took 1 million dollars to develop the tech and implement the manufacturing process of a 128GB stick. Assume they cost $5 to manufacture, and $20 to market and ship. Then when you sell a million you've recuperated your R&D and made a million profit that warrants the 6 million upfront investment you had to do.

Same story but now with the expensive 128GB sticks, of which you're only going to sell 1000. Even though the stick is 1675, you only make 1.650.000, so your effective budget to develop the fancy encryption scheme and make a profit is 650.000.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by maxsilver on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:22AM (#25198186)
> Ripping people off with high prices is actually very rare nowadays, mostly thanks to the big online marketplaces.

This is so absolutely untrue that this reads like a joke.

> Many people assume that if they're seeing something that's more expensive than they're used to that they're being ripped off for some reason.

Yes, because it's so absurdly common. "High price ripoffs" are so common that it's the default mode of operation for nearly every company in America. "High price ripoffs" are so common, that it's literally taught in school as a fundamental part of all marketing. (Price anchoring, premium pricing, skimming pricing, are all just 'high-price rip-offs' applied practically).

Yes, it still occasionally happens, but the days of "a high price probably means better time/materials/quality" are long gone. 9 times out of 10, the high price product is identical to the cheap price one, and the higher price is explicitly just a ripoff.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by jakubp on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:41AM (#25198807)
I'll give a practical example. If you got to a gas station near me, you can get a CR2032 battery for say 2 USD. If you got to a certain home decor/equipment store a mile away, you'll get 4 of these batteries for 1 USD. That's what, 8x more expensive for a relatively common product? Gas stations and convenience stores in my country routinely charge 500-1000% more for common products because, and here's the gist of it I'm sure for most store/chain owners, "why not"?
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by shawnz on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:56AM (#25198970)
You are paying extra for the service the gas station is providing which is that they shipped and stored the batteries in a location close to your home. The gas station is probably also open longer than the big box store.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by mbreese on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:06AM (#25199650)
It’s even in the name. You’re paying for ... convenience. That’s why things are more expensive per unit.

A) they are closer to where you live. And B) in smaller unit packs. Maybe you only need one battery, but to get them cheaper (per unit) you need to buy an 8-pack.

If a one pack is $2, but an 8-pack is $0.50/ per battery. If you only need one, you’re still better off paying four times as much ($2 < $4).

It’s all about the convenience...

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by jakubp on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:27AM (#25199289)
The store where the price is low also needs it shipped and stored, and is also close to my home. So that's definitely not a reason.

Did you mean "convenience makes the price higher"? No quarrel there! The issue is how much higher. 8x more expensive (as an example) is in the "ripping me off" territory, if you ask me :)

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by dharmab on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:58AM (#25199575)
Real estate prices for a big box store and small convenience store are totally different.

Wait until you find out the cost of producing most non-alcoholic beverages...

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by cutemonster on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:28PM (#25201364)
A bit more than water but not much, may I guess? Transporting and storage and the waiter/ress is the real cost?
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by dharmab on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:27PM (#25202652)
Fountain drinks are produced on-site using tap water and concentrated syrup. Transport and shipping cost is low since the syrup doesn't take up much space. A typical fast food soda (any size) costs about 15-20 cents for the cup and soda, and is sold for $1 on the low end. Larger chains can optimize the price down to 5-10 cents on the most popular sodas. Labor costs are insignificant if the customer self-serves from the fountain.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by cutemonster on Saturday December 05, 2020 @02:00AM (#25312465)
Ok, thanks. I previously assume the drinks were in coke cans, but now when you mention cups instead, and self serving, it's more obvious to me how the drinks can be that inexpensive.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by Daviey on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @02:06PM (#25201821)
The subsidies from high-fructose corn syrup etc, may even make the production of fizzy drinks less than water.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by dharmab on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:23AM (#25199251)
The gas station also probably pays more per square foot of real estate.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by tinco on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:46AM (#25199462)
Maybe you're a little bit more of a sceptic than I am. Strategies like price anchoring, premium pricing and other kinds of artificial product segmentation are ways to derive maximum value from a wider range of customers. I don't consider them a way to rip off people.

If you've got a monopoly, sure this can lead to price gauging. But in a competitive market it just means you are rewarded for your edge.

Anyway, I've only felt like I was ripped off on price a couple times. And every time it was buying something in a higher end brick & mortar store where I bought a quality item at significant mark up. Brick and mortar stores simply are something that's a luxury that is hard to justify if you're on a shoestring budget.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by stonemetal12 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:02AM (#25199609)
" Derive maximum value" is the technical term for ripping people off. Nothing said about delivering value, just how much "value" can I suck out before they walk away from the table.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by shawnz on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @11:43AM (#25200095)
As opposed to purposely underpaying compared to the fair value and therefore ripping businesses off?

Or is that fine because a business can't starve (even though its owners might?)

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by krageon on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:55AM (#25197636)
> Ripping people off with high prices is actually very rare nowadays

Given how many dropshippers exist for goods straight from China at 10-15x the price (if not more), this is untrue to such a degree that the original sentence almost reads like satire.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by sdflhasjd on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:01AM (#25198042)
Apple charge $200 between a 256GB and 512GB SSD. Sales & Marketing would call this "price anchoring"
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by 93po on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:00AM (#25197654)
I think the premise is that you can look up a item on Amazon, ebay, and walmart and between the three you're very unlikely to get ripped off if you buy the cheapest one available. If you Google for sunglasses, click the first advertisement, and buy without any cross shopping then sure you can absolutely get ripped off. But if you're that unsophisticated with shopping in general I don't know what to tell you
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by krageon on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:20AM (#25197764)
The original statement said the activity itself was rare. That it can be mitigated even when it is not rare is not in dispute, I think by anyone. That this is necessary, must always be done and is logical is a case I don't find compelling though.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by bartread on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:07AM (#25198081)
> I think the premise is that you can look up a item on Amazon, ebay, and walmart and between the three you're very unlikely to get ripped off if you buy the cheapest one available.

I doubt it's an issue with Walmart but you have completely ignored the problem of counterfeit/knock-off goods on Amazon and eBay. From painful experience, although fortunately not with anything too expensive, I can tell you that it's absolutely possible - likely, even, if you buy enough stuff - to get ripped off on Amazon in this way and that your strategy is not a reliable way to avoid being ripped off.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by throwaway0a5e on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:13AM (#25198563)
Co-mingling inventory resulting in plausibly deniable (from the counterfeiters perceptive) for counterfeit merchandise is an Amazon specific (as far as I know) problem.

Walmart, Ebay and damn near every other ecommerce platform have things set up in a way that it's clear who's goods wound up on who's doorstep and therefore counterfeit stuff isn't very much of a problem. You can absolutely buy terrible Chinese knockoff products engineered to within an inch of their life (I do it all the time) but it's vanishingly rare (compared to Amazon) to get a genuine "I paid for X and got inferior knockoff Y" situation on any other eCommerce platform.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by imtringued on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:40AM (#25198797)
Every time I buy cheap crap directly from China I regret it. Not waiting 30 days for shipping is easily worth paying 5€ for a product that sells for 2€ directly from China. You can often find the same Chinese stuff at a brick and mortar shop for a reasonable price (2x at most) but its sold under the budget store brand.

The high quality products from China are often branded by an American or European company. You can't buy them directly from China unless it is a knockoff and a lot of knockoffs are sold on Ebay locally. I don't even know why anyone would bother to get stuff directly from aliexpress at this point.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by Spivak on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:02AM (#25199047)
I buy lots of stuff from Aliexpress! It's usually lots of low-stakes stuff like bullet journal stuff, pins, phone cases, magnets, small electronics parts, stones, christmas decorations, baking supplies.

But I think our experience differs in that I'm really happy with the quality. Once you start checking Aliexpress for stuff you're about to buy you see just how much stuff in stores is just rebranded bulk orders from Alibaba at a huge markup. I think the most egregious example I found was a tapestry from Urban Outfitters. They were selling it for $50+ and it was on Aliexpress for $3.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by isthatsoup on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:54AM (#25197997)
Not really, drop shipping from China has 0 barrier to entry so the margin will be competed downwards very quickly.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by krageon on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:13AM (#25198117)
I wasn't quoting a hypothetical. I can look at a storefront right now and see that I am correct. What you imply here has not happened.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by _jal on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:42AM (#25198318)
A perfect example of Econ 101 reasoning gone awry. It is funny how often people will deny things sitting right in front of them because "that wouldn't happen".
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by HideousKojima on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:31AM (#25198708)
Two economists are walking down the street, and one says "Look, there's a $20 bill on the ground over there!"

The other economist replies "Nonsense, if there was then someone would have already picked it up by now."

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by unicornfinder on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:52AM (#25198394)
You'd think so and I really doubt it's as profitable as people suggest but even just looking at Amazon you can see many of the exact same products you'd find on AliExpress for far higher prices.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by ReptileMan on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:07AM (#25198505)
If you start importing from china - you must be certain that you can unload the product. Or you are stuck with 12 000 masticating juicers ...
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by dfadsadsf on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:44AM (#25198829)
Dropshippers provide valuable service - I can get item in 2 days (on Amazon) versus 2-3 weeks or longer if I buy on Aliexpress. Express shipping (if available) on Aliexpress is often $100+ for item that cost a few dollars.

Also margins are getting squeezed on drop shipping. Several years ago the difference between price on Amazon and Aliexpress was very significant now it's often negligible and I just buy on Amazon.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by krageon on Thursday November 26, 2020 @05:01AM (#25218518)
What you are describing is not dropshipping. When dropshipping the goods come from the manufacturer or some wholesaler (but explicitly not from you).
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by oefrha on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:19AM (#25197438)
> Ripping people off with high prices is actually very rare nowadays

Apparently you have no idea of the audiophile market. I have someone swear that music doesn’t sound as nice when converted losslessly from WAV to AIFF/FLAC on whatever $$$$ gear he uses.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by henryackerman on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:02AM (#25198459)
Elaborating on the audiophile market: you have audiophiles and audiofools. I consider myself a bit of an audiophile, your friend might be an audiofool... I have even heard someone claim that spotify sounds better than CD.

There is this audiophile article [0] that takes compares some different consumer level NAS devices. They used the same listening setup to play lossless audio files from different NAS devices. The article's authors perceived a difference in sound quality and characteristics, depending on the NAS and RAID configuration!

The article is a solid example of a placebo effect. The bitstream is identical between the setups.

When it comes down to digital to analog conversion, there's a lot of variables going on. I can definitely hear the difference between my laptop's headphone output and the headphone output of my prosumer-level audio interface. A more expensive audio interface might introduce measurably less cross-talk and noise. Some headphones will sound weak if the headphone amp is not powerful enough.

In other words: some people focus on things that are measurable. Others seem to be deliberately chasing the placebo effect of expensive equipment.

0. http://www.enjoythemusic.com/hificritic/vol5_no3/listening_t...

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by steerablesafe on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:24AM (#25198651)
> I have even heard someone claim that spotify sounds better than CD.

This can be probably explained by different mastering between the two. CD releases were subject to loudness war. Spotify and other streaming services normalize volume, so there is no incentive to release louder, less dynamic range tracks.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by Loughla on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:19AM (#25198620)
Hey, off topic, but while you're here, this is a question I like to ask audiophiles when I come across them in the wild.

What entry level turntable and speakers would you buy for listening to vinyl in a standard living room and why?

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by deadmetheny on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:54AM (#25198938)
I don't really consider myself an audiophile, but I do love music and vinyl. My general suggestion if someone wants to buy new is an Audio-Technica LP 120X turntable and a pair of Klipsh R-51M bookshelf speakers. The 120x has most of the features a newbie will want/need, and the speakers are fairly low priced while still sounding pretty good (although they're not quite as punchy on the bass as I'd personally like). The setup will probably run around $500, but the turntable won't make mincemeat of your records like a cheapo Crosley.

Of course, the real answer is to find vintage equipment at a local audio place, but that isn't always easy for newbs and is a bit dependent on your local music nerd community.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by tinco on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @03:22PM (#25202604)
That's one thing I've always wondered about with the vinyl scene. My dad's an audio enthusiast, and he once told me that when my mom and he had 2 incomes and no kids yet he bought a diamond tip for his record player for hundreds of dollars.

So that's a crazy thing that the thing that would make your record have the best audio quality, will also just rip into your record so bad it will probably also immediately be the last time you could listen to it at that quality.

He swapped his collection to CD's the second that became a reasonable option.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by Rillen on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:35AM (#25198745)
Normal digital setup is better then vinyl.

If you really want to play and use vinyl, you should try to read up on it yourself shopping around and experience it, otherwise you just have something at home because its hip to have it at home.

You might just like the weirder sound from your selection even more.

There are plenty of good youtube channels and videos showing you a varity on options you have to explore.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by Loughla on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:01AM (#25199032)
I have and do play vinyl, just for the nostalgia of sitting in my attic bedroom with the liner notes out in front of me and my shitty old headphones on when I was a teenager. I have done reading up and shopping around.

I also understand that I am not a good evaluator of audio items. I don't know, nor do I care about the lingo. I just want a good turntable, so I can get some of the old vinyl out for my small children. I think Thick as a Brick and Locomotive Breath are two things that absolutely need to be experienced in your youth.

And I can't break up my pot and roll a joint on the back of an mp3 player. (jokes)

That's why I've asked here for advice.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by nitrogen on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:35PM (#25200736)
Powered studio monitors are usually a pretty good option. I'm a fan of the JBL LSR series (305 or 308 can be had for cheap on sale). The dispersion pattern of studio monitors may not work well for all rooms, but usually are pretty good. After that, room treatments are a bigger ROI than better speakers.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by treeman79 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:26AM (#25197486)
Yea, the group is both insane and amazing.

They have a conference in Vegas.

The sound from these setups are amazing.

I started to get into it, but there is always something to do that provides a slightly better experience. Even 40k setups have room for improvement

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by whywhywhywhy on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:29AM (#25197826)
Is that ripping them off though? I'd say Audiophiles want to pay over the odds for things that might not even really make a difference if you actually measured it. It's part of the enjoyment for them.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by wegs on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:30AM (#25198234)
Yes, it is. If I sell you quack medicines for thousands of dollars, but you BELIEVE they work, am I ripping you off?

Just because someone believes a con job doesn't make it less of a con job.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by Karunamon on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @10:50AM (#25199503)
We’re talking subjective experience of art, not medical efficacy. If someone thinks A sounds better than B, they are automatically correct for their ears.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by yodelshady on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:13PM (#25201178)
That gets rather odd when at least one study [1] has indicated that a (as far as patient is concerned) more expensive placebo does have higher medical efficacy:

[1] https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2015/01/29/ex...

(links to paper)

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by Karunamon on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:47PM (#25201555)
The difference there is that you can't measure how pleasing a given sound is to someone else, at least not in a generalized fashion that makes that conclusion have any meaning for anyone else.

Motor function is objectively measurable. "I like the sound of this" is not.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by TonyTrapp on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:10AM (#25197387)
I keep telling this to friends who complained that hard disk manufacturers are plotting against them by not lowering hard disk prices long after floods have damaged hard disk factories. You have to consider how absolutely incredibly cheap this stuff actually is. Take a high-quality wooden shelf. It's just a couple of wood boards, right? Yet it may cost ten times more than a USB stick or even an embedded development board. It's crazy.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by beagle3 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:26AM (#25197804)
And the Doctors. You have to consider that $500 for a 15 minute visit at the doctor is ridiculously cheap, given the reduction in pain / the increase in productivity you usually gain from following their advice! /s

Yes, some stuff seems to be unreasonably cheap or expensive in some context. But it's the market that prices it, and collusion is always bad for everyone (except the conspirators).

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by HeadsUpHigh on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:33AM (#25198257)
Hard drives are being price gouged. The prices on the low-end have stayed the same since pre-flood and the $/tb hasn't improved in a long time. Also the fact that the almost identical( and sometimes exactly identical down to serial number) externals often cost half as much as the internals( with only some extra warranty to cover the difference). It's a broken market.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by bleepblorp on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:19PM (#25200548)
Given the proliferation of lower-performing SMR drives, effective HDD prices have actually gone up rather than down. We're forced to pay the same price for grossly inferior products.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by washadjeffmad on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:17AM (#25198601)
Only true for lower capacity drives. You can buy 14TB for <$14/TB while 1-2TB is still $30-45/TB.

The going price/capacity target for prosumer scale (>6TB) is $15/TB.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by Rillen on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:43AM (#25198822)
Your shelf is so expensive, normally, because of physical laber.

While i agree that a hard drive cost can bottom out, i don't think we have bottomed out at the right price.

Why would it make sense, at all, to produce a 300gb drive in 2020? It doesn't. Are they using machines which are not able to create better plates in 3,5" sizes? If yes, they probably ride those machines for a long time. Should be paid of by now 10x

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by jmnicolas on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:07AM (#25198083)
The price of a 2 TB drive is the same as it was before the floods that were probably something like 10 years ago.

There's no excuse.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by wegs on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:29AM (#25198225)
It's an excuse to buy an SSD.

And it's precisely what's responsible for falling HDD volumes and rising SDD volumes.

Which, in turn, is precisely what's responsible for stagnant HDD and falling SSD prices.

I can get a big-enough 480GB Sandisk SSD for $55 right now, and a 2TB SSD for $190, manufacturer direct. Looking at their WD_BLACK HDD, that's actually a buck cheaper than their 500GB HDD. For 2TB, I'd be looking at $99 instead of $190; at less than 2x the price difference, the SSD is a far better option for most people.

Of course, the HDD goes all the way up to 10TB (at $320), at which point, so it still comes out ahead for bulk storage. SSDs hit a breakpoint at 2TB, where price and complexity go up astronomically. I can either drop a few grand on a specialized product, or around $1000 on several drives and build a RAID. So there's still a market. Just not a particularly big one.

Prices are based on first sensible link on their web page (presumably, most popular product). You can go up or down in price if you click around, go off-brand, but the qualitative picture doesn't change. HDDs require a lot of infrastructure, and the market is evaporating.

I suspect the upper end will disappear soon enough.

I do still want some kind of bulk storage. I want to back up my photos somewhere reliable, but there seems little left. Tape is thousands of dollars for the hardware, while optical is now tiny. Nothing seems to compete with the volumes, economies-of-scale, or R&D budget of integrated circuits.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by pixl97 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:53AM (#25198928)
>And it's precisely what's responsible for falling HDD volumes and rising SDD volumes.

Eh, I'd say that its because a SSD does 50,000 IOPS+ and HDDs do about 150. Once SSDs came out and started being mass produced that spelled the death of HDD in most devices. Dropping the price of HDDs to near 0 won't stop that.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by jmnicolas on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @09:56AM (#25198960)
At home I need about 20 TB of storage (without counting redundancy). I'm not rich enough to do that with SSDs.

And fwiw, HDD go up to 18 TB nowadays.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by wegs on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @02:44PM (#25213411)
I was comparing specific lines of drives -- mainstream lines from a major vendor (WD/Sandisk).

SSDs also go way up in size, but prices spike after you hit a corner.

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by HeadsUpHigh on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:39AM (#25198296)
Cheapest ssd $/tb is x2-3 that of the cheapest hdd. That's still significant.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by flaviu1 on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @12:06PM (#25200380)
That'd actually be acceptable to me, since I wouldn't feel the need for redundancy--but it looks like the cheapest 1TB SSD that can be found is $67, while I can get HDDs for $15.88/TB. That's x4.2 the price of an HDD, definitely not practical for me.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by HeadsUpHigh on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @01:49PM (#25201582)
Yes the cheapest ssd is more expensive /tb than the optimal one( which is ~1tb atm).
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by wtallis on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:50AM (#25198374)
There's no reason to expect the price of a two-platter hard drive to go down over time, and hard drive tech has not quite improved enough to allow for 2TB from a single platter without using shingled magnetic recording. Drives with at least 1TB per platter appear to have been on the market since just after the floods (2011/2012).
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by saagarjha on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:02AM (#25197338)
I take it you haven’t seen “diamond plated HMDI cables” on Amazon that retail for hundreds of dollars?
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by jwalton on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @08:24AM (#25198199)
> mostly thanks to the big online marketplaces.

I see you've never tried to shop online outside of the US.

Let's take an example; my daughter has an Easy Bake Oven - it's a little plastic oven with essentially a 100W heater inside, with a little tiny baking tray about the size of your cell phone. There's an optional "cupcake tray", which is again a tiny metal pan about the size of your phone, only Walmart up here in Canada sells the oven, but doesn't sell the cupcake pan.

Amazon.ca today has a cupcake pan for $52 [0] which a) is lower than I've seen it on Amazon.ca before and b) this isn't even the "real" one from the manufacturer, it's an after-market knock off. There's another one listed for $89. It's actually cheaper for me to buy the cupcake tray from Amazon.com [1] even with the $9 shipping and the currency conversion, and I get the cupcake tray and a second regular tray and a bunch of cupcake liners.

This is not the most egregious example I've seen by a long ways. I assume a lot of this isn't actually malice but instead robots trying to sell products and setting prices that are just clearly insane. I've seen products with 1000% markup over MSRP before, and sometimes it's stuff that's easy to buy locally. There's just a lot fewer sellers on amazon.ca, so it's easier for a robot to climb it's price to infinity with no competition.

(And that's not to say everything is like this in Canada - most common stuff is priced reasonably. But if you want something a little out of the ordinary or sometimes if the "main" seller of something goes out of stock, suddenly it costs you a kidney to get a kid's basketball hoop.)

[0](https://www.amazon.ca/Replacement-Cupcake-Muffin-Easy-Bake-U...) [1](https://www.amazon.com/Easy-Bake-Ultimate-Replacement-Cupcak...)

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by chrismorgan on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:12AM (#25197398)
I fondly recall an article in APC magazine from 2003, a review of Lindows OS, with a Live CD of it attached. “Combine it with a cheap-as-chips 128MB USB disk for $70” [that’s AUD], it said—

Now here we are, 17 years later, selling a thousand times the capacity at half the price.

(I also wondered, then and now, where the author sourced their fish and chips. This incongruity is why the phrase stuck in my head.)

Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by rakamotog on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @07:47AM (#25197951)
While whatever you said about economies of scale is 100% true, its the level 3 stuff that's increasing the cost, not storage.
Re:What is the benefit of having FIPS hardware-level encrypt... by olau on Tuesday November 24, 2020 @06:15AM (#25197415)
Not that I necessarily disagree, but is Coca-Cola priced at cost + 15%?