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Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by bnt on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:06AM (#24942300)
For the past ~3 weeks Medium has blocked virtually every article I wanted to read and is asking me to pay. Most of these are programming tutorials related to some obscure Rails features. Honestly, I feel like Medium is the worse place to put your content.

EDIT: For context, I don’t mind people monetizing their content, but in that case I’d rather pay them directly (like GoRails), and not a “subscription” for something I might check once in a while.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by Rochus on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:42AM (#24943383)
The author decides whether the article is accessible for free or not. If the author is not in the partner program, even all of his articles are accessible for free.

Read https://help.medium.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018677974 section What does the checkbox do

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by tonystubblebine on Friday October 30, 2020 @02:00PM (#24945060)
Exactly. I run Better Programming, which is the second biggest programming publication on Medium after Towards Data Science. And it's definitely the case that authors are opting in to the deal that Medium offers: a usually small amount of money and a fairly large boost in readers.

The average article we publish does 10k views, which for most authors is way more than they'd get self-hosting and posting out to Twitter/FB.

I think also that Medium is still overly dominated by user generated content, i.e. what people here are calling low quality articles. You'd think of that content differently if it were better curated and better edited.

But all of Medium's subscriber revenue gets reinvested in their content. Most of that is author payments, but also they pay copy editors and curation editors. What they haven't done in programming yet is pay for any articles that have had a proper high quality edit. In programming that's a story editor, tech reviewers and a bug/errata updating process. But I suspect that will change because the subscription numbers are starting to be big enough that they can afford to invest in these things.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by rawfan on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:18PM (#24943796)
That is not correct. I've had people complain they couldn't read my articles on Medium and I never took part in the partner program.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by Rochus on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:31PM (#24943948)
> That is not correct

That's an official publication of the company behind medium. Maybe they had some bugs in the past or the people who complained or the author just made mistakes.

Try to access this article: https://medium.com/@rochus.keller/implementing-call-by-refer...

Can you access it or not?

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dylz on Saturday October 31, 2020 @01:33AM (#24949363)
There are separate walls like account walls, max x articles per day, requiring sign in that are in addition and uncontrollable from paywalls, IIRC.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by Rochus on Saturday October 31, 2020 @04:53AM (#24949948)
For metered content, "non-members get a select number of free stories in their member preview, which replenishes on the first of each month." (see https://help.medium.com/hc/en-us/articles/360017581433-About...).

If you hit the preview limit, you get the message "Not every story on Medium is free, like this one. Become a member to get unlimited access and support the voices you want to hear more from."

Non-metered (i.e. free) content is not behind the metered paywall. Also if the author posts a "friend link" the article is freely accessible, even if metered otherwise.

Do you have other sources?

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dylz on Saturday October 31, 2020 @01:21PM (#24953283)
I'll keep an eye out for the exact message. I tend to avoid Medium as much as possible - scrolling is incredibly slow, and I recently found out medium storing several hundred MB of garbage in my localstorage, which it adds to every time I scroll.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by bioinformatics on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:22AM (#24942490)
Usually if you save to Pocket it will open fine.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by zepolen on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:34AM (#24942630)
Suggesting a workaround is not addressing the root cause. Please don't.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by scaladev on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:36AM (#24942645)
Would you also advise against installing ad blockers?
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by mrspeaker on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:43AM (#24942730)
Personally, I use an ad blocker - because I'm worried about the security of third-party code running on my machine. But I'm also moving towards the OP's idea... I stop reading articles/content that require a technical workaround to a political/philosophical problem. Any workaround strengthens the core problem.

Medium doesn't mind if you use a workaround - as long as you are using it. The business model is validated and metrics show that users are happy with it. The only way to change their mind is to stop using it entirely.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by conductr on Friday November 06, 2020 @09:59AM (#25008020)
Ads are a universal problem. Starting an post on HN saying “hey let’s not use internet to advertise” will have zero impact. You have to take into your own hands and block.

A thread about changing how programmers distribute written content in the context of HN could actually have an impact.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by LittlePeter on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:57AM (#24942891)
That's like not plugging a leak in the International Space Station with multiple layers of duct tape because it is a work around, while waiting for a proper replacement panel that will arrive in 3 months...
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by zepolen on Friday October 30, 2020 @01:34PM (#24944752)
That analogy is a little flawed. More like there is something in the ISS that is causing leaks and the solution is to duct tape them.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by bioinformatics on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:49AM (#24942793)
Of course it's a workaround and it would be better if the content would be freely available. I don't know the business model of Medium, don't know if contributors are getting paid, but I only suggested a way to read the articles without having to pay, before the issue gets resolved.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by gremlinsinc on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:52AM (#24943499)
I use medium, as a freelancer, the extra little boost in cash helps during dry spells.

I mean, if people can't afford the $5 per month that it costs to read all medium posts, they really shouldn't waste the time complaining.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by TheCyberBasics on Friday October 30, 2020 @01:46PM (#24944877)
I have a blog on medium as well, I just haven't been motivated to contribute to it for a while. It may be my "reach" as others have stated. I like pushing out the small tutorials that I write, but I just can't justify 3 hours (ish) of work for < $1.50/mo

I also don't want to have to buy a domain and have a hosting service to push my own site having to load it up with ads or other nonsense just to make a side hustle possible. So I stick with Medium.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by hmlongco on Friday October 30, 2020 @05:03PM (#24946869)
Took a quick look. If you want my take, your basic tutorials are, well... too basic. They describe fundamental language principles in a well-established programming language for which there's already a wealth of material available. Frankly, there's already a million articles and books that cover that.

IMHO, you need to write about some cool hot or esoteric feature that solves a specific problem in a new way. Or about how a particular crash bug ended being based on something that everyone else thinks works one way when in fact it works the other way.

Do a search on a topic. Are there already thousands of pages that cover the same thing? If so, write on something else.

Trust me. It's possible to do a lot better than $1.50 an article.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by TheCyberBasics on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @08:17PM (#24985861)
I really appreciate that feedback, thanks! The hardest part about picking a topic that you're interested in and writing, is finding people to give you the honest feedback about what you're produced. Now I have a starting point to improve :)
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by IvanaSays on Monday November 09, 2020 @11:47AM (#25036664)
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Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by sas1ni69 on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:10AM (#24942335)
Incognito mode works for me.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by tacker2000 on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:12AM (#24942360)
Yea but that cant be the real solution.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by nuker on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:29AM (#24942573)
Its the only solution for 2020 web. Plus, of course, vpn and adblocker.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by CarelessExpert on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:53AM (#24942847)
The only solution? So... in 2020 the only place to publish long-form content is Medium?

Well... TIL.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by zild3d on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:37AM (#24943344)
no but some content is on medium, so it's helpful to know
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by brianush1 on Friday October 30, 2020 @04:04PM (#24946338)
If you're using an adblocker, might as well add a paywall blocker to the mix: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by jwlake on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:35AM (#24942635)
You can just block cookies from medium.com and everything keeps working.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by agilob on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:33AM (#24942616)
It doesnt work for everyone, I always use firefox auto-mulitcontainers where each tab has its own container with no history and cookies and I still get blocked by medium
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dspillett on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:47AM (#24942774)
Often when using incognito doesn't work for "limited free articles" paywalls it is because you haven't restarted your browser in a while and have had incognito windows open for a time too. Session cookies happily persist in incognito windows while you have them open and are shared between such windows.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by iamcreasy on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:24AM (#24943211)
Not the best solution - but I post it on twitter and use that link to access the article(since Medium paywalled article is free through twitter) and delete the tweet in few seconds later.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by hashingroll on Friday November 06, 2020 @11:50AM (#25009019)
TIL
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by rem1313 on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:38AM (#24942676)
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:10AM (#24942340)
Would you prefer ads or paying writers through Medium?
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by vorpalhex on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:23AM (#24942506)
If you want to sell your tutorial for a few dollars, actually sell it for a few dollars and don't force me to play subscription games with Medium.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by gremlinsinc on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:54AM (#24943521)
So you're saying, you'd rather pay me $19 for my tutorial, than pay $5 for all tutorials on medium's platform?
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by SilasX on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:17PM (#24943795)
For the tutorial quality and UX scumminess typical of Medium, no, I don't want the $5(/month?) option. I'd prefer any of these options:

1) Free, non-scummy tutorial sample, with the rest offered for money, or

2) Free full tutorial with non-scummy ads/UX, or

3) Free full tutorial with the understanding that this is self-promotion and I should raise my evaluation of the author and seek to hire their other work.

Which of those do you feel is unjustifiably entitled?

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by hmlongco on Friday October 30, 2020 @06:41PM (#24947546)
Probably the fact that while you listed your preferences you and most everyone else wouldn't bother to pay. Primarily since it would mean making a credit card transaction to an unknown site.

Your options are clearly biased towards the fact that you don't want really to pay anything, either in terms of money or ads/attention.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by SilasX on Friday October 30, 2020 @07:37PM (#24947875)
No, I've paid for courses before, far more than I care to admit. And I've listed an ad-based option that makes money (2), I'm just allowing for the possibility of people who want to get paid in self-promotion (3), although that's perhaps redundant, being a species of advertising.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by _jal on Friday October 30, 2020 @04:24PM (#24946535)
Dunno about the GP, but for me, yes.

I'm not going to subscribe to Medium or other things like it. I don't like subscriptions and avoid them for the most part, and Medium is effectively a weird bundle of mostly crap I mostly don't care about.

When something is worth it, a la carte works for me. It should cost more than as part of a bundle. (Although I'd need to need your tutorial rather badly to pay the price of a book for it.)

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by benhurmarcel on Saturday October 31, 2020 @09:14AM (#24951176)
Why do you think your tutorial is worth a lot less on Medium than your own website? Shouldn't the price be similar?
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:48AM (#24942781)
How do you get the reach? Reach is worth something.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by CarelessExpert on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:55AM (#24942864)
Twitter? Reddit? Hacker News?

Are you really trying to make the case that Medium is the only way people find and read content?

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by nunez on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:35AM (#24943315)
Many Reddit subs have been discouraging people from posting their own content for years now, and the reach you get on Twitter is entirely dependent on who's in your network. Hacker News is probably the second-best option to Medium since both are about as democratic, but Medium has more readers.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:01AM (#24942933)
Nope. I'm just wondering what the sentiment is. I've obviously struck a nerve. "Oh no paywall!" for a site that pays its authors.

Now, if it ripped the authors off or engaged in other shitty tactics, then that's one thing. But nobody is responding with that kind of information. It's all a response against the paywalls, and I'm trying to figure out if it's knee-jerk or not.

I mean, aren't people allowed to make a living by teaching others?

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by CarelessExpert on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:16AM (#24943104)
> I mean, aren't people allowed to make a living by teaching others?

Absolutely good point!

I think if I were to rephrase the submitter's comment in a way that aligned with my own views and concerns, it would be:

If your intent is to put information into the world for others to share purely out of charity/a desire to help others, or to get your name out, please consider options other than Medium, as Medium is ultimately in control if whether anyone can actually gain access to the content you've produced.

If, however, as you say, one's goal is to produce and monetize content as part of a personal revenue stream, then Medium seems like as good an option as any (though, personally, I'm not a huge fan of contributing content into walled garden ecosystems where the publisher can unilaterally change the rules on a whim), and folks here complaining that stuff is behind a paywall should go find free content elsewhere.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by gls2ro on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:33AM (#24943295)
I strongly agree with the part about the purpose of sharing the information:

I am buying from time to time website-based tutorials or other type of content. I agree this creates a new problem: I don't even know what I bought in the last years, what kind of online live books with exercises I bought and from where. I try to keep them in a document, but sometimes I forget and search email to find out.

Still I would like to ask that if someone just wants to share information and it is not focused on monetization then please consider other options than Medium.

A lot of newcomers will not make a subscription there.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @12:40PM (#24944046)
Thank you both you have answered my question.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by wpietri on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:22AM (#24942487)
Could you walk me through your market value estimate for a quick writeup of an obscure Rails feature?
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by criddell on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:39AM (#24942680)
The value is the intersection of what some people are willing to pay and what the author is welling to accept.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:03AM (#24942946)
Exactly. If the article has no value what's the big deal?
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by wpietri on Friday October 30, 2020 @04:17PM (#24946455)
Sorry if I wasn't clear, but when I said estimate, I meant calculating actual numbers.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by stronglikedan on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:16AM (#24942420)
I prefer ads, but I'm one of those weirdos that doesn't see a problem with ads, and actually prefers targeted ads.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by kgwxd on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:39AM (#24942681)
I prefer ads because, if they're a typical tracker disguised as an ad, I can block them without feeling even a tinge of guilt.

A few weeks ago I saw an ad on a blog post. I think it's the only one I've seen all year. I was so surprised, I looked at the source. It was just an image, hosted on the same domain, wrapped in standard anchor tag. It was even something I might consider using, a server monitoring service. I had never been so happy to see an ad.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:47AM (#24942764)
This is the way all ads should be.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by bonestamp2 on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:47AM (#24942767)
I don't have a problem with ads in general. But, I prefer not to have targeted ads -- I prefer ads that shoot from the hip and know as little about me as possible. I know that's not as compelling for advertisers, but they did ok with that model for a century.

I mean, if it were just as simple as, he likes gadgets and cycling: let's show him an ad for a new bike accessory -- that isn't so bad.

But when they know what your mood is, what your insecurities are, what your financial situation is, past purchases at one retailer linked with your phone number to purchases at another retailer, how likely you are to buy at a certain time of day, etc and then they show you the right ad, in the right place at the right time to exploit all of those things... that is too manipulative for my taste.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by Kaos-Industries on Friday November 06, 2020 @11:07AM (#25008620)
I'm very curious whether you have a citation RE mood and insecurities. I don't disbelieve you but they are pretty extraordinary claims.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by stanulilic on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:21AM (#24942476)
I thought I was the only one.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by durovo on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:30AM (#24942581)
Same here. Would love to see a targeted ad that makes me buy something new.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by criddell on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:40AM (#24942697)
If it's a programming tutorial, it seems like the ad doesn't need to be targeted to you specifically, but to programmers in general. I really don't want to see another Zappos ad for some shoes I bought a month ago when reading a React tutorial.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by CarelessExpert on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:58AM (#24942907)
> I prefer ads, but I'm one of those weirdos that doesn't see a problem with ads, and actually prefers targeted ads.

The ads are fine.

Surveillance capitalism is the problem.

Don't mistake the symptom for the disease.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:04AM (#24942956)
I agree completely. And I'm also fine with people who want to be paid to teach.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by jwlake on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:37AM (#24942655)
Medium doesn't actually pay writers does it?
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by gremlinsinc on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:58AM (#24943565)
Medium pays based on users subscribed who 'clap' on your articles, the more claps/views the more you make per article.

It's literally $5 a month to subscribe to all medium articles, I don't get the problem. That's less than a starbucks latte.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dingaling on Saturday October 31, 2020 @03:09AM (#24949642)
It's not just $5 per month, it's $5 on top of all the other subscription services with their low, low monthly costs. Death of 1000 cuts.

A service must be really compelling and unique to persuade people to commit to an open-ended subscription on top of everything else crying for their dollars.

That's why the likes of Apple are racing to bundle their services for a single monthly family fee, they're getting ahead of 'subscription fatigue' where the mental and financial burden of managing a plethora of small monthly charges becomes overwhelming.

> That's less than a starbucks latte.

That's a perfect analogy. The majority of people in any population don't buy a Starbucks latté because the cost-value assessment indicates it's not worth it on top of more essential daily living costs.

Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by criddell on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:41AM (#24942709)
Yes, it does.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by jiofih on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:16AM (#24942418)
None. People are unwittingly sharing free content on the platform because they are not aware of the paywall.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:47AM (#24942771)
My understanding is that authors can get paid.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by notankies on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:28AM (#24942570)
Most programming tutorials are effectively ads for the author. "Want to get hired? Write a programming blog" is advice I've received many times.
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by SilasX on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:34AM (#24942619)
Okay, but I have no problem with people sharing useful knowledge as personal advertising, so long as it's actually useful and not otherwise scummy (e.g. the Medium UX).
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by dhimes on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:49AM (#24942789)
But you're not ok with somebody selling you their useful knowledge?
Re:Ask HN: Please stop writing tutorials/tech articles on Me... by SilasX on Friday October 30, 2020 @10:54AM (#24942851)
I'm okay with that too, I was just replying to the annoyed attitude toward people who market themselves with useful articles.