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Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by izacus on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:07AM (#24625810)
> Never buy a consumer product that expects an Internet connection.

This is a nice trite trope, but getting an affordable TV without these features might be nearly impossible for most people these days.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by ChrisRR on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:20AM (#24625912)
Exactly, we bought my 75ish year old father in law a new TV because he was using a small SD flat panel and his eyesight is going.

But he hates it because there's a million buttons and menus to navigate, when all he wants is to type in the channel numbers.

It even needed a firmware update out of the box and he didn't have a clue why a TV would need new software and immediately panicked and refused to use the thing until we drove 150 miles to accept the update for him

We just wanted a TV that receives terrestrial TV and has a couple of HDMI ports for his DVR which he knows how to use without over complex menus, is that so much to ask?

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by Zenbit_UX on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:29AM (#24626367)
You probably shouldn't have hooked it up to the internet if all he wants are channels and to keep things simple.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by mavhc on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:34AM (#24626927)
What tv can't you just type a channel number in, or press an input button to switch inputs?

If you don't plug it into the internet it's not going to be a smart tv

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by silon42 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:01AM (#24627224)
The new Samsungs (and others) have a remote without numbers... Thankfully the old remotes still work (and even better).
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by defnotashton2 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:37AM (#24627642)
Can't get new tvs with normal remotes
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by mavhc on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:08AM (#24627981)
Without numbers on?

Could replace the remote with a Old Person Remote perhaps.

Just looked for a random tv, it has a normal remote to me https://ao.com/product/vel50fo01uk-veltech-tv-black-66496-10... scroll right on the photos

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by vanderZwan on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:09AM (#24625833)
How ridiculous is it that it's harder to get a product without extra nonsense added?
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by MaxikCZ on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:18AM (#24625899)
That extra nonsense is generating revenue to the manufacturer of the product
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by contravariant on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:56AM (#24626170)
At this point we might as well cut out the middleman and pay people to connect a black box to all their devices.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by tzs on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:35AM (#24626944)
In the case of TVs I think it also has to do with there being no real hardware difference between a fancy Smart TV and a dumb TV. A dumb TV nowadays is going to be implemented as essentially a computer and monitor running a set of TV applications, just like a Smart TV. The only difference will be that fewer programs will be loaded onto the dumb TV.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by belorn on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:24AM (#24625936)
Just looked at a price checking site, checking the oled and "no smart tv" boxes. Zero hits.

It is not a question about affordable TV. The only ones that does not have smart features (as far as I can identify) are the cheapest LCD ones at the bottom of the price list.

The best alternatives that I can find is projectors or monitors, as those seems to so far not expect an Internet connection.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by izacus on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:32AM (#24625991)
There are professional displays (e.g. panels used for conference centres, offices, etc.) which are usually large and have no smart features.

But you can forget about common TV features like HDR support, DTS/DD audio decoding, usable remotes and other useful features.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by vetinari on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:50AM (#24626521)
Look for "Digital signage displays" (but they are not cheap).
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by RandomBacon on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:01AM (#24627897)
Did they include Sceptre TVs? They make dumb 4K TVs.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by logicallee on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:59AM (#24626193)
Let's play a hypothetical game. Your TV attempts to literally control your life. And is ultra HD and really cheap. But you have to keep its front facing camera uncovered or it blares an alarm saying that its front camera is covered. The alarm also activates, but more quietly, if it loses its internet connection.

Finally, there is a 30 second "sponsorship punishment" if it sees you have brought a product competing with its sponsor.

So say the sponsor is Coke and it sees a 2 liter bottle of pepsi in your home. It displays something literally equivalent to (not in exactly so many words) "we are punishing you for bringing pepsi into our home, because our sponsor is coke." It then counts down a 30 second punishment timer. As a shopper you dont have THAT strong of a preference between coke and pepsi. So the next time you need to watch a movie on the dictator (name of TV set) you buy coke that night instead of pepsi.

Does that cross a line? How would you legislate against it? Devices shall not act as slave owners over humans who have bought them?

Well, um....

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by phone8675309 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:11AM (#24627351)
Reminds me of a less ridiculous version of this: https://i.imgur.com/dgGvgKF.png
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by logicallee on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @04:49PM (#24632805)
Interesting link. But what I have written is no less ridiculous!

On what grounds would a punishment timer be illegal?

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by ChuckNorris89 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:22AM (#24626325)
>Finally, there is a 30 second "sponsorship punishment" if it sees you have brought a product competing with its sponsor.

There was literally a Black Mirror episode about something very similar.

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by logicallee on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @08:20AM (#24626797)
yes, you're right. (Though I think it wasn't about a TV watching your food choices.) So what happens legally if, today, a company literally does it? How do you legislate against this?

It is literally possible for a television to include a punishment timer (as in, it is pretty trivial to code up, if the device isn't rooted.) What happens if a company sells one that literally identifies shopping and uses a punishment timer for people who buy a competitor to their sponsor instead of their sponsor? can you make it illegal?

Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by anticensor on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @12:25PM (#24629783)
That is definitely going to also happen on brain-computer interfaces.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by phone8675309 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:13PM (#24633648)
Beefbrain is real, and you'll never convince me otherwise.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by bobbylarrybobby on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:48PM (#24635012)
My TCL is fine. I hooked an Apple TV and haven’t connected the tv to the internet since I bought it.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by reportgunner on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:29AM (#24626360)
How about a second-hand TV ?
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by everdrive on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:50AM (#24627780)
Then don't buy a TV.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by OneLeggedCat on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @10:14AM (#24628066)
This is extremely sad. But it's where we are headed.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by MaxBarraclough on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:13AM (#24625860)
True, but even if you're paying for a network-capable device, you still have the option of not plugging it in.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by mulmen on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:17AM (#24625894)
Do you? Manufacturers can easily require an Internet connection to make the device work. They can also include their own radios and modems. All in the name of being user friendly!
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by MaxBarraclough on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:57AM (#24626176)
Are there really TVs that won't work until connected?
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by kalleboo on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:05AM (#24627275)
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by MaxBarraclough on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @09:52AM (#24627798)
Thanks.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by Zenbit_UX on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @07:32AM (#24626384)
Not that I know of, I always skip the smart TV bullshit. Another commenter pointed out that a Philips model pester you with a pop-up to connect it every two weeks or so but that seems like the most manufacturers are attempting at this stage.
Re:Samsung TV owners complain about increasingly obtrusive ads by pjc50 on Tuesday September 29, 2020 @06:38AM (#24626049)
TVs can refuse to get the EPG over the air and insist on getting it from the internet. I'm not aware of one where this happens, though.