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Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by anonreader123 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:52PM (#24455038)
I am a Goodreads employee. this is a burner account. i could be fired for posting.

we love Goodreads and we know it is bad today. we are working to fix it. there are very few of us. we are trying. we are making big changes soon.

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by JesseMReeves on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:36PM (#24456002)
Happy to read that you are working on improvements! GoodReads is my most-used and most important database. I love it, I also actually like that it feels more like an “older” webpage before all this craziness with stealing the attention and time of users came up (Goodread in its current state is already addictive enough for me). I hope you fix the bigger issues (like slow loading times, recommendations, convoluted UI) but keep the aim-at-making-the-page-actually-useful (and not a manipulative time sink) approach.

Feature wishes: Extensions on book statistics, a function for discovering like-minded users, marking books as „finished“ / „decided not to finish“ and showing this information (this could provide some very useful additional information on books), and maybe a „listened to the audiobook“ marker.

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by sigstoat on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:25AM (#24458605)
...what have you guys been doing for the last 10 years?
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by SECProto on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:01PM (#24455631)
Can we have half stars or quarter stars? I read a lot of books, and choosing full-star 1 to 5 makes the ratings pretty useless for people who read a lot. My internal rankings are:

1 hated it/was offended/didn't finish

2 disliked it/likely didn't finish

3 finished but it was a struggle

4 finished/enjoyed/had some issues

5 finished fast/really enjoyed/may or may not have still had issues.

If I look back at the 30 to 50 books I read in a year, it's really difficult to get any sort of ranking out of them. I've only got two choices for books I liked (4 or 5) and two choices for books I disliked (1 or 2). Having half stars would help my ratings relative to one another.

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by hombre_fatal on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:13PM (#24457622)
Your post only goes to point out how arbitrary rating systems are since everyone brings their own ideas into the system of what ratings mean.

What you really want is some personal bookkeeping which doesn't make sense for the 5-star system. You'd want tags or the private note textarea to scribble down your arbitrary personal rating system.

Frankly I think more ratings are just worse. You're pitching 10 or 20 different options instead of 5.

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by chillfox on Sunday September 13, 2020 @03:32AM (#24459114)
Yep, I could do with a simple thumbs up/down rating system as I usually only rate books either 1 star if I don't like them or 5 stars if I do like them. The multiple stars rating system is pretty pointless to me.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by macobo on Saturday September 12, 2020 @06:22PM (#24456397)
Why take 60% of the rating space up by negative ratings? It seems like what you really care about is degrees of goodness.

An alternative approach:

1 - I disliked it. 2 - It's OK 3 - This is good 4 - This is great 5 - This is a must-read

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by SamBam on Saturday September 12, 2020 @09:27PM (#24457417)
It's the problem with star systems, which is that we'll always have different definitions. Your 3s are living next to the other poster's 3s and mean very different things.

That said, I think the world has also suffered from ratings inflation. I tend to assume anything under a 4 means "bad" or "meh" myself.

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by chillfox on Sunday September 13, 2020 @03:36AM (#24459139)
The best rating system I have ever seen is the "best of two" system that pixoto.com uses to rate photos.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by robryan on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:05AM (#24458223)
Bigger numbers don't help much either, rating systems out of 10 tend towards anything under an 8 or maybe a 7 being average.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by hipnoizz on Sunday September 13, 2020 @06:25AM (#24459850)
This is exactly the way the current Goodreads rating is supposed to work (and I'm personally OK with it). But my guesstimate is that for 95% Goodreads users everything below 4 stars means that the book sucks.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by SECProto on Sunday September 13, 2020 @09:33AM (#24460731)
How do you know that's how the rating system is "supposed" to work?
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by ThePadawan on Sunday September 13, 2020 @11:36AM (#24461498)
(Not parent)

If you go to rate a book on good reads and hover over each of the the 5 stars, here are the "title" attributes of the links:

* title="did not like it"

* title="it was ok"

* title="liked it"

* title="really liked it"

* title="it was amazing"

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by SECProto on Sunday September 13, 2020 @01:28PM (#24462453)
Interesting, thanks. I use the app mainly, and it doesn't have those descriptors as far as I know.

I think it's interesting to have the middle/neautral rating described (3 star, middle of the range available) as "liked it" (a positive response).

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by heurist on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:18PM (#24455801)
I have been rating a year or so after reading based on how much of the book I remember or how much it influenced me. It's made rating much easier.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by SECProto on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:59PM (#24456230)
That doesn't fundamentally change that there are only 2 choices available for books I've enjoyed.

Also, if you asked me about a book I read a year ago, I wouldn't be able to do much more than confirm I read it. That's part of why I use Goodreads.

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by darkerside on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:00PM (#24455113)
What are the most important changes that your team is prioritizing?

What are your biggest challenges with making them?

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by anonreader123 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:07PM (#24455179)
I want to be specific but I would get fired if they saw. but we read EVERY post about us. we are being ambitious and big changes are coming.

biggest challenge is there is too much to do and we have so few staff.

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by darkerside on Saturday September 12, 2020 @06:01PM (#24456244)
This is so vague that if you're not faking it, you might as well be. Sorry, but don't bother posting, even under a throwaway, if you're not going to engage.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by immy on Saturday September 12, 2020 @06:36PM (#24456482)
All it does is discourage timid people from making an innovative competitor.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by acchow on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:42PM (#24455475)
How many engineers?
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by jonathanwallace on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:55PM (#24455067)
Best of luck and thank you.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by Paul_S on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:23PM (#24455297)
Do you recommend books based on ML or do you hand pick books you want to promote because you think they should be promoted or have been paid to promote them?
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by anonreader123 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:54PM (#24455575)
only ML. no promo -- nothing sneaky -- we hate sneaky
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by Paul_S on Sunday September 13, 2020 @04:03AM (#24459268)
Thanks. I checked out recommendations just now and indeed they make sense. I swear at some point in the past when I last tried it had very suspicious results, hence my question.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by jimmySixDOF on Saturday September 12, 2020 @07:59PM (#24456990)
Please find someone there who can explain why it's not possible to link GoodReads with my Audible history. They are both Amazon properties!
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by clubdorothe on Sunday September 13, 2020 @04:56AM (#24459467)
Thanks for sharing that, looking forward to the changes.

genuinely curious, why would you get fired?

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by recuter on Saturday September 12, 2020 @03:59PM (#24455106)
How many of you are there?
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by anonreader123 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:08PM (#24455185)
not enough.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by O_H_E on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:44PM (#24456096)
My heart by with you fellow human. Thanks for trying to make the world a little better even under less-than-ideal conditions.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by zygy on Sunday September 13, 2020 @03:25AM (#24459084)
Many thanks.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by Shared404 on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:23PM (#24455295)
Good luck.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by anaganisk on Saturday September 12, 2020 @04:25PM (#24455314)
There's an Ex-NSA in the board of Amazon now.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by replwoacause on Sunday September 13, 2020 @12:14AM (#24458280)
The way this is phrased is odd and makes me question the company culture. There is nothing in the content of your post that could be deemed as fireable by any reasonable person so I am left to conclude the work environment is a hostile one.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by anonymous_too on Sunday September 13, 2020 @02:00AM (#24458751)
At many large companies, you need to have permission to post about the company. When the number of employees gets into the tens of thousands, odds get very good someone will say something that reflects badly on the company.

Generally, it's not that you can't post, you just can't post an an employee.

The companies generally don't want something like:

"I am a Goodreads employee."

"we know it is bad today."

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by rexpop on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:00PM (#24455617)
> i could be fired for posting.

Yikes, that's rather dramatic! Especially since all you've said is "we're working to fix it. changes soon." That's a pretty harmless statement, I would think.

What gives you the idea that such statements put your employment at risk?

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by toyg on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:12PM (#24455733)
> there are very few of us. we are trying

This implies support for Goodreads at Amazon is very thin. It could be read as a critical statement (even though it's pretty clear to everyone that the site very clearly stagnated since the acquisition, focusing almost exclusively on Kindle integration).

Amazon management is famously militaristic in attitude and would likely take action against a low-level employee criticizing the company in public

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by rexpop on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:18PM (#24455805)
> management is famously militaristic

Although I know that Amazon is hiring intelligence operatives[0] to bust unions, this aspect (militaristic middle management) is news to me. Where can I learn more?

0. https://www.theverge.com/2020/9/1/21417401/amazon-job-listin...

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by toyg on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:49PM (#24456144)
They have a recruitment scheme directly targeted: https://www.amazon.jobs/en-gb/military

I'm pretty sure it was also reported in the past that Bezos traditionally favored ex-military for manager positions when Amazon was starting, but I cannot find a source atm (seems like yesterday to me but more than 20 years have since passed...).

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by Infinitesimus on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:08PM (#24455695)
It might be the general fear present in some Amazon corp offices? (PIP stories, etc.)
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by rexpop on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:14PM (#24455765)
> general fear present

I don't know about this. Is it documented, or have you "heard it through the grapevine," so-to-speak?

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by Infinitesimus on Saturday September 12, 2020 @10:53PM (#24457852)
Just the minority of people who had bad experiences and shared them. Stack ranking almost always creates such environments.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by paulcole on Saturday September 12, 2020 @05:39PM (#24456043)
> we know it is bad today

This is the kind of thing companies love their employees to share publicly!

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by rexpop on Saturday September 12, 2020 @09:17PM (#24457371)
I think you are being sarcastic, which is unhelpful.

In fact, there's a difference between "we know it is bad," and "we've no interest, either way." How should I know which is strategic to say, publicly?

What reason does this employee have to think Amazon would retaliate against them making public statements about their own working life?

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by sillysaurusx on Saturday September 12, 2020 @06:02PM (#24456254)
I downvoted you but I feel bad for not explaining why.

One of my memories: Being pulled into a side office and grilled for a half hour for posting a similarly harmless statement to HN.

So your comment triggered mild PTSD.

It's not your place as an individual employee to post about your employer. You work in a team setting. If the team decides it's appropriate to post to HN, then that's fine. But you alone do not get to decide that.

Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by sam_lynx on Sunday September 13, 2020 @02:24AM (#24458834)
What? You are suggesting that a person is unable to share his personal experiences and opinions unless their employer agrees? Obviously this may damage the company, but personally I have no sympathy for a company worth billions of dollars who is not known for their fair treatment of workers at all. I see nothing immoral in the original commenter releasing this information.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by sillysaurusx on Sunday September 13, 2020 @07:47AM (#24460198)
It doesn't matter whether you see something immoral about it. Employers do punish employees for doing so.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by sam_lynx on Sunday September 13, 2020 @07:14PM (#24464731)
Yes, that is why he used a burner account.
Re:I Want to Fix Goodreads by rexpop on Sunday September 13, 2020 @04:51PM (#24463865)
> It's not your place

Strange how your response to abuse isn't to warn us about abuse, but to moralize about the actions through which your abuser justified their emotional violence.