Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by captbaritone on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:26PM
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Just to trigger you, we did that :P
It was just an experiment to see if it would work, but if you want something to hate-download check it out :P
I mean this in the most endearing way possible...YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD kiss! I've been looking for this forever. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
You have won the internet for the day!
So, 50MB installer. How much RAM does it require? Can it actually play MP3's in real time on my Pentium 60? ;)
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by trishankdatadog on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:27PM
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LMAO, funniest thread all day
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by Erlich_Bachman on Saturday September 05, 2020 @03:46AM
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Didn't you notice that the link in the post itself goes to the same website? :p The skins from the museum are hosted on and implemented on Webamp.
The person you are replying to is literally the creator of the website, so I expect they know that. They were pointing out that there is explicitly a desktop version. :P
You just earned an upvote
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by userbinator on Friday September 04, 2020 @07:31PM
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An MP3 decoder is actually relatively tiny: https://github.com/lieff/minimp3 shows that it can be done in ~30KB of code. It's everything else around the player, such as the UI, that takes up the bulk of the size.
Well yeah, what kind of garbage MP3 playing software wouldn't have a built in app store, social integrations, a pro version that removes ads, and its own mail client?
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by mmcwilliams on Friday September 04, 2020 @11:41AM
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You can still run Winamp. I run it using WINE on Ubuntu.
I still use winamp, with classic skin. It's small out the way, I can simply drag the files in I want to play.
Not want any more than that for a music player IMO
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by devindotcom on Friday September 04, 2020 @04:36PM
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Me too. Nucleo_nlog skin though.
I just run audacious when I feel nostalgic - it has support for old Winamp v2 skins. Most of the time i just use cmus though.
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by poisonarena on Friday September 04, 2020 @12:27PM
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I run it native on my Windows 10 laptop
don't look a processor l1 cache, enough to fit windows 95
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by jodrellblank on Friday September 04, 2020 @04:23PM
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What does computer response time look like when you fit your OS in L1 cache?
10$ that good old windows had wrongly designed timers placed in its core that would prevent ns response time :)
I use AIMP. It's great. One big plus for me: It can play my Youtube playlist.
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by themodelplumber on Friday September 04, 2020 @02:11PM
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AIMP looks neat, is there a Linux version? On Linux I like QMMP so far, and use WinAMP skins with it. It opens videos in a standalone window, but I can't say I really use it as a video player.
xmms, audacious. For videos, SMplayer is nice.
The modern version is foobar2000 which is 1.8mb exe and uses a few mb of ram. It loads and runs instantly.
fb2k always seemed so cool, and I used it for a while during the bad years of winamp, but it definitely had that "useless by default" feel to me. Like it's cool that you can map global hotkeys, can you please default to supporting my keyboards quite standard media keys.
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by sleepyshift on Friday September 04, 2020 @05:01PM
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+1 for fb2k, currently using 13MB RAM to play an MP3 with my collection of ~50K tracks loaded in the background.
Electron hate is starting to become such a meme lately.
Many would argue that Electron itself is a meme. An unfunny one that gets repeated at the user’s expense ad nauseam.
Isn’t VSCode electron? Somehow Microsoft ended up with an electron app that doesn’t have all the hallmarks of what people complain about. What was done differently?
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by reaperducer on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:18PM
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One of the biggest things people complain about with Electron apps is their slowness.
When I started using VSCode, it was perfectly snappy and I could see what people were talking about when they said, "But VSCode is Electron, and it's fine — it's just crappy developers."
After about six months of using it and loading in fewer than ten extensions, it has become very laggy. To the point that I have had to train myself to pause my typing after I press certain key combinations while the system catches up.
VSCode is great, but it's not a poster child for Electron.
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by fiddlerwoaroof on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:36PM
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Yeah, VSCode did that thing where a great product seems to just become worse, for no obvious reason.
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by isochronous on Friday September 04, 2020 @04:20PM
(#24378507)
The reason IS obvious: It's called "feature bloat." That being said, unless you install a bunch of extensions, VS Code is still pretty snappy, at least on all of my computers.
Probably as something made for developers, it was created to be fast and efficient and avoid sucking down inordinate amounts of resources.
Rather than the usual reason electron apps get made, which is because they’re “easy” and allow web-first devs to put out acceptable-quality desktop apps with no mind paid to those same concerns.
It is entirely possible to release good software with electron. It is also entirely possible to win the lottery.
(Bitter and annoyed? Me?)
> Probably as something made for developers, it was created to be fast and efficient and avoid sucking down inordinate amounts of resources.
That's not a given. Just look at the bloated monstrosity that is Visual Studio.
I once couldn't start VSCode because my internet was offline. Turns out it was an electron bug. (This issue: https://github.com/Microsoft/vscode/issues/7570 ). I've been suspicious of electron ever since.
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by mattgreenrocks on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:22PM
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They cared?
Desktop is fundamentally a different medium from web. It's a pipe dream to expect the web mentality to just transfer over. It's akin to saying a webdev is a great gamedev because they can write code.
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by reaperducer on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:15PM
(#24376866)
Electron hate is starting to become such a meme lately.
I used to think the same thing until a couple of weeks ago when an Electron app crashed and took down every other Electron app on my computer. I thought these things were supposed to be sandboxed.
Re:Winamp Skin Museum
by potta_coffee on Friday September 04, 2020 @01:12PM
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It just runs contrary to a lot of people's ideals for software. I don't spend my time thinking about Electron much but I don't care for it either. I guess it just rankles that it's really the easiest cross-platform solution we have.
Just feels like a cheap way to get Internet karma to compare old apps to modern apps made with Electron.
So it’s cheap to say that old-Winamp does the same with let’s say 1-10% of the resources that a remake in electron does? How so? Isn’t it interesting from a historical perspective? Can’t we learn from history? If anything history could be an anchor point for where we can go back to or it can tell us that if we just try harder we can achieve more. How is that cheap? If anything it is powerful to keep reminding ourselves that we can do better as an industry and that we shouldn’t settle for mediocrity.
A modern version would probably be built on Electron, be a 500Mb download & require 8Gb RAM to just run (12Gb required if you want to change the skin).
I long for the days where things weren't so bloated.