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Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by blhack on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:05PM (#23533601)
What could cause all major cell phone providers to experience outages that began at the same time in the same day?

A solar flare seems unlikely, since WiFi does not seem to be effected (for me at least).

Routing issue maybe?

One possibility: it’s all just T-Mobile, but people are bad at reporting. For instance: if a non technical person tries to call a t-mobile number from their Verizon phone, and experiences an “outage”, they may report this as a problem with their own phone rather than understanding that it was on the receiving end (and knowing to try to call other carriers).

This could also explain problems with Facebook messenger (if the T-Mobile outage is effecting data). It’s not a problem with messenger etc. it’s just that messenger is the service that some T-Mobile customers are trying to use and having it not work. So they report it as a problem with the black box they know as their phone.

That or we are getting hacked. And if that’s the case then buckle in and charge up your ham radios.

Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by adrianpike on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:09PM (#23533641)
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by bogomipz on Monday June 15, 2020 @08:04PM (#23534519)
No it's not the same at all. A carrier's SS7 configuration does not get propagated out to other carriers.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by jcrawfordor on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:33PM (#23535059)
Quite possible though is a significant disruption of one of the many services like LNP which are implemented via SS7 and shared by all carriers - there is indeed a complex set of inter-dependencies between carriers that are all somewhat generically referred to as part of the SS7 system, several of which are required to successfully set up a call or deliver a text message.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by bogomipz on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:04PM (#23535550)
All the major carriers maintain their own local LNP database. The only updates that would be distributed via a third party(NPAC) would be recently ported land lines.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by gwright on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @12:35AM (#23535977)
This comment tickled something in my memory:

All Circuits are Busy Now: The 1990 AT&T Long Distance Network Collapse

http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~jdalbey/SWE/Papers/att_collaps...

Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by numpad0 on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:29PM (#23535696)
What about number transfers? Some MNP implementation rely on the original Home Subscriber Server the number was issued in or something, so there could be paths between core networks among major carriers.

e: already addressed, sorry

Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by pdxandi on Monday June 15, 2020 @07:35PM (#23534326)
The article seems ti suggests calls and texts to T-Mobile are failing so customers from other providers are likely reporting issues unaware of the source.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by pdxandi on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:13PM (#23535602)
*On mobile. Please excuse the typos.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by digitaltrees on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:51PM (#23535494)
I have att, my wife has Verizon. Can’t call each other.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by gamblor956 on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:46PM (#23533962)
It's not TMobile. Messenger had issues too, even when accessed through the website.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by zhte415 on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:03PM (#23535241)
Messenger? Bloomberg? MSN? BlackBerry? ICQ?
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by burnte on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:13PM (#23535307)
These days it usually means Facebook Messenger. FYI, not snarky. :)
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by systematical on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:28PM (#23535687)
Yes Facebook messenger did have issues as far as I could tell. I definitely refer to it as FB Messenger, not Messenger. It doesn't deserve the latter.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by zhte415 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @02:05AM (#23536350)
Am not hip with that then. Deleted Facebook years ago.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by atlgator on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:35PM (#23533869)
Because they all run off a backbone operated by Level 3 Communications...
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by posguy on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:47PM (#23535143)
No, T-Mobile forces everything through Inteliquent (aka Onvoy/Vitelity) as of a few years ago.

They all likely share the same STIR/SHAKEN vendor, and Comcast is affected too (Comcast has working STIR/SHAKEN that interacts properly with T-Mobile and Verizon). Wonder if their shared STIR/SHAKEN vendor broke these calls?

Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by bori5 on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @05:33AM (#23537306)
Interesting had to search what stir/shaken was. Not obvious to the layperson.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by Good_Karma on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:41PM (#23535746)
How about too many IMSI catchers being deployed at the same time ? Like basically ~ all of them at the same time right ? Couldn't that cause some unforeseen disturbances ?
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by choward on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:22PM (#23534997)
NSA updating their taps?
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by 2trill2spill on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @12:24AM (#23535928)
Taps are passive they wouldn't effect traffic.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by ISL on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @12:43AM (#23536006)
Unless they are people-in-the-middle.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by Lammy on Tuesday June 16, 2020 @01:26AM (#23536182)
There was a major cross-carrier outage in 2015 too https://money.cnn.com/2015/08/05/technology/cell-phone-outag...
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by arkades on Monday June 15, 2020 @08:07PM (#23534534)
Other services are reporting failure to connect when trying to reach T-Mobile. I was just trying to call a coworker w/ T-Mobile, and the error message I received was "Verizon cannot complete this call." (I'm on VZ)
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by StanislavPetrov on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:50PM (#23533981)
Could be something with 4g. My 3g flip phone is working fine (AT&T subscription plan - not prepaid). I can even receive calls from people on T-mobile who aren't able to call each other or other people (although they don't receive my incoming calls).

Another bonus for avoiding the spy phone.

Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by badrabbit on Monday June 15, 2020 @11:31PM (#23535706)
I thought it was ddos? If not, I say it's china retalieting for huawei
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by ortusdux on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:18PM (#23533732)
Reports of a DDoS in progress: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23533350
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by Shank on Monday June 15, 2020 @06:24PM (#23533785)
There is no proof of a denial of service attack. Attack maps like the one you’ve linked to sinkhole traffic from botnets to known honeypots. The only way a DDoS can be identified is if you’re sitting on the transit links themselves or you have insight into the very private networks that the carriers have. Attack maps do not have this.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by vokep on Monday June 15, 2020 @08:14PM (#23534578)
So attack maps are pretty much just useless PR gags? Thats what I assumed but wasn't sure if I was correct.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by nmjohn on Monday June 15, 2020 @08:23PM (#23534632)
They are 100% useless PR gags
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by kossTKR on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:29PM (#23535037)
"Wow look the US is getting attacked by everyone" - "lets make everyone pay for a black budget 5 trillion dollars cyber defence project".

Same old military industrial complex scheme with theater pretexts.

Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by kjs3 on Monday June 15, 2020 @08:38PM (#23534719)
Useless? Not always...if they're well done PR they collect eyeballs. But yeah, all PR gags.
Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by SN76477 on Monday June 15, 2020 @10:19PM (#23535352)
I have already seen infowarriors blaming Antifa.

Could be anything I guess.

Re:T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T phone calls are failing across... by joecool1029 on Monday June 15, 2020 @09:36PM (#23535083)
So many comments and noooobody knows how to search. I spotted it a few hours back, zayo fiber cut: https://tranzact.zayo.com/#!/networkStatus

Edit: Lol at all this nonsense 'Anonymous DDOS', BGP fat-fingering, NSA speculation. I got karma to burn from those butthurt at me being right about the fiber cut. Look at the timestamp and region! Look at this: https://bgp.he.net/AS393494#_graph4 Who you think AS6461 is?

EDIT2: Someone else might have been partially right about merger upgrades being a factor, perhaps removed some redundancy. Before I found the Zayo cut I saw that Crown Castle was looking weird overnight (they are #1 or #2 largest cell tower company with their own acquired fiber network, Lightower): https://map.internetintel.oracle.com/?root=traffic&country=U...