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Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by mrleiter on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:19PM (#22547672)
Here in Austria the government forbade any indoor gatherings of >100 people (outdoor >500), all universities and colleges are closed (except administration and research), including libraries and also museums. All schools and kindergartens will gradually close coming monday. That's more than 1.5m students/pupils against a total population of 8.8m. Nurses and doctors are being honed in from retirement. We completely locked down our borders to Italy. This is all very unprecedented.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by fokinsean on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:31PM (#22547853)
Here in Austin, SXSW was cancelled but I've seen numerous "unofficial party" lists of people organizing events.

I understand people want to support the Austin economy since losing SXSW is a big hit, however it was cancelled to limit mass gatherings yet people still want to gather.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:36PM (#22547962)
People will of course want to gather still... I've always wanted to hit SXSW so I'd be pretty heartbroken, myself.

Even still, my partner and I are keeping an eye open on flights to Europe (we've always wanted to go) and seriously considering taking the risk of buying a flight for in a couple of months time because they are quite literally at half price right now. And I'm not even talking about Italy.

edit: Haha—to clarify, the risk being flight cancellation or border closures not catching or spreading disease.

2nd edit: Wow. I'm drawing a little ire here. I'll reiterate: the risk is in not being able to go because the problem continues. Please take the charitable view (and of my whole comment, not snippets)—not the one that I'm some kind of monster :)

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by pbourke on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:15PM (#22549345)
> Even still, my partner and I are keeping an eye open on flights to Europe (we've always wanted to go) and seriously considering taking the risk of buying a flight for in a couple of months time because they are quite literally at half price right now. And I'm not even talking about Italy.

If you do this in the midst of a pandemic, it's an unethical and selfish act.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:19PM (#22549399)
Please read the entirety of my comment before painting me so negatively...

I'm certain that just purchasing some discounted airline tickets for sometime later in the year will not in itself cause any negative global health effects. The decision to actually travel can be made entirely separately from that gamble.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by saiya-jin on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:37PM (#22551971)
Yeah, patient zero in Italy was probably just one dude who traveled. You have no effin' clue what consequences of your acts may be. Europe will be still here later.

If we're still in the height of epidemics during your travel, you will be basically locked in someplace and very hard to see anything.

To sum it up, tremendously stupid idea with utterly selfish tones.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @09:08AM (#22556367)
Selfish?

To travel after the trouble with the virus has subsided on tickets purchased during a period of discounted rates?

Or do you mean not traveling because the virus hasn't subsided and tossing the hundreds of dollars down the drain in a gamble?

If neither of these were your conclusions, then respectfully—I think you misunderstood my comments.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by Zenbit_UX on Thursday March 12, 2020 @02:33PM (#22560105)
After reading your comment including edits it's still not clear when you plan to travel so I understand the negative reactions you're getting.

Buying flight tickets might be cheap right now but the point is if when your trip starts X weeks from now and the situation is still bad and you don't cancel it, then you are indeed selfish and deserving of the negative comments and down votes.

Further, since nobody knows when this will end (it could continue into 2021 for all we know) and you didn't say you'd cancel your plans if it did (instead you expressed concerns you'd lose money if travel was banned), I feel like you're drastically misunderstanding the 2nd order dangers your actions would have and likely deserve the ire and down votes you're getting.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @04:22PM (#22561323)
> and you didn't say you'd cancel

That is the risk I referred to, as I clarified—not being able to take the trip because the situation didn't improve. I've explained this many times over by now.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by jf on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:52PM (#22548235)
> I've always wanted to hit SXSW so I'd be pretty heartbroken, myself.

Save your heartache. SXSW lost its "soul" many years ago.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by MS90 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:23PM (#22548664)
For the modern SXSW experience, just go to the local supermarket when it's ultra busy and the parking lot is full. Park your car among the rest and just sit in it.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:47PM (#22548962)
Well that's a shame. Guess I'll visit Austin on some other day.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by MS90 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:46PM (#22550321)
You'd honestly probably have a better time, unless there was something you specifically wanted to see at SXSW. So many people come into town for it that getting anywhere in the city becomes a nightmare.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @09:05AM (#22556348)
Taking this thread way off the original topic now, but yeah. Would love to visit for the music scene—SWSX probably would crowd out what I actually want to get out of the place when I think about it longer than 30 seconds.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by realdlee on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @05:57PM (#22551232)
I used to live in Austin and have experienced SXSW many times. It's still an amazing time and experience. Take all of the comments with a grain of salt (including mine).
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by Tempest1981 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:06PM (#22548464)
How about a cruise to Europe? If you like deals.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:10PM (#22548517)
Hahaha. Even before all this nonsense—if I proposed, in earnest, a cruise I think she'd leave me because then I never truly knew her.

Too many pints in Dublin and then wine in her ancestral village in Portugal and then we're talking.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by owenmarshall on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:13PM (#22548557)
Sounds romantic. I wonder how romantic that ancestral village will feel when local health officials have declared a mandatory quarantine and you can’t leave your hotel room.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:42PM (#22548897)
Thankfully, the tickets are on sale now for dates throughout the year, and the village is so small and old I'd be shocked if anyone really comes or goes from there as it is. :)
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by jbattle on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:00PM (#22549146)
I can imagine worse things
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by epicide on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:53PM (#22549043)
Have you even once stopped to consider how your actions might affect people other than yourself?

Even if you're not in the groups with high mortality rates, you can still be a carrier.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:07PM (#22549241)
Of course. The risk in purchasing tickets for later in the year while they are still cheap is that we may not be able to use them if this situation continues and doesn't improve. I thought that was pretty clear in my original comment.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by epicide on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:13PM (#22549319)
Either I missed that wording or it wasn't clear to me. I also may be projecting the mentality of other people I've heard planning to get cheaper travel even if it does result in other people getting sick.

I cannot know your intentions, so if they truly are with other people in mind, I apologize.

Do also keep in mind, though, that by purchasing them now you are inevitably biasing yourself towards going.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by emptyfile on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:39PM (#22549646)
Surreal comment.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:43PM (#22549695)
That even in the face of a particular health problem, people have a hard time giving up their desire to socialize or live?

I think it's pretty normal. Surreal would be adapting more easily and unconsciously to the new constraints.

Thankfully, continuing to dream doesn't cost us anything, and it doesn't hurt anyone.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 01100011 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @06:21PM (#22551438)
If my facebook feed is indicative of the general US population, there are still a lot of people who think the media is just trying to scare us. Some of them are your typical nutjobs for Trump, but even my 60-something year old hippie liberal jazz musician friend is on that train. There were women replying to her that the media focuses on Covid-19 because "it's killing old men" who run the world, and the media should instead be focusing on women's issues... I think I'm finally ready to give up facebook after seeing my the thoughts of most of my 'friends'.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by fma on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:24PM (#22548679)
If they wanna support the economy just send money to the entities that they can't go to. That restaurant you were going to dine out at, instead you're not microwaving a Lean Cuisine? Send them $10. Otherwise they are doing it for the shills.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by jmkni on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:38PM (#22548848)
There's probably about 500 people in the massive open plan office I work in. We're just sitting ducks.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by dcolkitt on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:34PM (#22549586)
You need to approach senior management, and press them on what their plan is.

Why aren't they already transitioning to remote work? Is there a timeline in place? What are their criteria about what would trigger WFH? What about employees with elderly family members at home? Do they have the necessary systems in place to support a fully remote staff?

It's very likely that management has simply avoided thinking about the topic entirely. If the employees press them for a concrete action plan, then that at least prompts them to start engaging in objective analysis.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by jmkni on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:59PM (#22549851)
Yeah.

It's a massive multinational company, so I'm sure they're thinking about it. Technically no barriers to working from home (I do it every Friday), tempted to just start doing it every day, but would rather they made a formal decision on it first.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by toasterlovin on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:34PM (#22550178)
What happens if you just tell them you’re doing it, rather than ask for permission?
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by alkonaut on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @06:28PM (#22551497)
Yeah “tell, don’t ask” is good advice for both OO design and office communication. If you ask, a manager will always consider whether they will need to ask someone else about it.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by dx034 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:26AM (#22554581)
You can also take a softer approach and tell the manager your concern and say you would work from home for safety reasons unless they absolutely require you to be there. That way you didn't give an order to your boss and can still go home.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by hnick on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @10:25PM (#22553007)
For all their faults my smaller company is very forward thinking on this. They have banned all non-essential visits to sites by clients or contractors, and travel between offices by staff - even within the same metro area. So you can't just pop into the other office on Friday if you feel like it.

You're also asked to work from home for a while if any travelling family member from overseas visits, and if you have no reason to be in the office they won't say no if you just want to work at home and avoid public transport.

Hoping it doesn't cause a big hit to productivity because it's the right thing to do.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by charrondev on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:14AM (#22554529)
My company is doing the same thing. We’re doing a trial day tomorrow with everyone working remote to make sure everyone is situated.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by krick on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:05PM (#22549223)
Same here. And it's not like I can just head home freely.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by dorgo on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:03PM (#22549881)
I did just that. I couldn't concentrate on work in a big office. I'm canceling meetings (or changing them to video conferences). I think I can get away with it for a week or two. And in two weeks I expect my employer to order home office for everybody anyway.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by 00deadbeef on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:50PM (#22552055)
Here in the UK our government thinks washing our hands will save us.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by neuronic on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:57PM (#22552103)
It makes a tremendous difference, so don't downplay it. Infection due to smear (secondary droplet) is really high IIRC and washing hands is a huge countermeasure.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by eric-hu on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @08:21PM (#22552251)
It's necessary but not sufficient to stop the spread. I'm currently just avoiding bringing the topic up with my sister who traveled from the UK to America last month. She repeatedly brushed off the topic because the UK government kept saying it's essentially the flu. Now she's in America with her 2 year old and I'm betting she'll probably fly back to the UK under these conditions.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by neuronic on Thursday March 12, 2020 @10:28AM (#22557197)
It's not about stopping but delaying.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by dx034 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:27AM (#22554584)
It likely will. If all people washed their hands properly and avoid touching their face that would probably slow infection rates down enough. Measures are needed because realistically, no one follows these orders enough.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by fit2rule on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:38PM (#22548005)
It has really been a lackadaisical response from the Austrian government - shades of Semmelweis all over again? This is a country that has monuments to Plague victims in its most valued districts ..

Going to be an interesting few weeks as we see how things proceed. To think, somewhere out there, the virus lurks and is headed our way ..

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by m4rtink on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:07PM (#22548468)
Plague monuments are hardly an Austria specific thing, you can find them almost everywhere in a large part of Europe, including here in Czech Republic:

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pests%C3%A4ule

(in German)

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by mNovak on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:24PM (#22551887)
Was wondering about the response in Austria, thanks. Haven't seen much over at ORF.at. I have older extended family there I worry about.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by dx034 on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:29AM (#22554590)
Austria isn't as badly hit as Italy, despite the short distance to the most affected regions in Italy. They took quite drastic measures early which hopefully slows down the spread. It also helps that much of the traffic from Italy continues on northwards towards Germany and therefore bypasses the main population centers in Austria.

But as in all countries by now, older folks should stay home and self quarantine whenever possible.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by Florin_Andrei on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:29PM (#22547816)
Finally - vigorous, coordinated action. That's exactly what's needed right now and I'm glad to see countries stepping up to the challenge.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by StavrosK on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:32PM (#22547882)
Isn't this happening in many places? In Greece, schools are closing for two weeks, all gatherings are prohibited, and celebrations for various holidays have been canceled.

Notably, the Church of Greece has announced that "the virus cannot be spread through Communion" (where everyone drinks wine from the same cup). You can imagine how angry this self-serving move made most people.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by philsnow on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:52PM (#22548226)
> Notably, the Church of Greece has announced that "the virus cannot be spread through Communion" (where everyone drinks wine from the same cup).

Catholics in Greece are overwhelmingly Orthodox. The Orthodox Catholic church distributes holy communion differently, with a spoon (there is a particular term for it, but I don't know it) that doesn't touch the communicant's mouth. So, they're not drinking from a communal cup.

It's entirely possible for the communicant to exhale / cough / sneeze on the spoon. I don't know what the priest would do if this were to happen.

As an aside, it's widespread right now (but maybe not universal) in Catholic dioceses to not even provide the cup to the congregation during Communion (which is perfectly fine according to Catholic theology btw). edit: additionally, I recently heard about a dispensation in at least one diocese for people who are in any of the COVID-19 risk categories that they don't need to receive Communion for now. I don't know whether this also dispenses them from attending Mass on Sundays (which is otherwise an obligation for all Catholics).

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by StavrosK on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:54PM (#22548260)
Do you mean "Christians"? There are very few Catholics here.

The spoon very much touches the communicant's mouth, and the priest dips it back in the cup afterwards. You're getting spoon-fed wine, essentially, with a whole lot of contact.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by harrier on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:44PM (#22549706)
> All of the three main branches of Christianity in the East (Eastern Orthodox Church, Oriental Orthodox Church and Church of the East) had always identified themselves as Catholic in accordance with Apostolic traditions and the Nicene Creed. Anglicans, Lutherans, and some Methodists also believe that their churches are "Catholic" in the sense that they too are in continuity with the original universal church founded by the Apostles. However, each church defines the scope of the "Catholic Church" differently. For instance, the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox churches, and Church of the East, each maintain that their own denomination is identical with the original universal church, from which all other denominations broke away.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_(term)

Greek Orthodox are "Catholic" but they are not "Roman Catholic".

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by StavrosK on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:48PM (#22549742)
In Christian dogma terms, sure, but if you call an (edit) Orthodox Greek Catholic, they will quite disagree.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by harrier on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:08PM (#22549929)
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by StavrosK on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:13PM (#22549975)
Or Roman Catholic, yes.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by zentiggr on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:08PM (#22549926)
Sounds like the only visual analogy is the branching of a broccoli head, or something equally dense and fractal.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by flukus on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @08:18PM (#22552233)
The tree of life works better, there were many branches even earlier that died off and the ones that survive did so through evolutionary pressure. The ones that required circumcision for instance weren't great at attracting converts.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by philsnow on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:02PM (#22548405)
I'll take your word for it, I've been to Divine Liturgy exactly once.

Do Orthodox folks not use the term "Catholic" for themselves? I just don't know very many.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by StavrosK on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:07PM (#22548478)
No, it's "Orthodox Christian" and "Catholic Christian", to differentiate.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by philsnow on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:27PM (#22548710)
Conversely, the Catholics I know prefer (if they have a preference, many don't) the bare term "Catholic" rather than "Catholic Christian". This is likely because I live in the US.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by StavrosK on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:30PM (#22548746)
Now that you mention it, I've only heard them called "Catholics" here as well, not "Catholic Christian", so it's "Orthodox" or "Orthodox Christian" and "Catholic", you're right.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by michaelt on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:24PM (#22548675)
I was curious about how you would reliably spoon-feed someone without the spoon touching their mouth, so I looked it up online, and from what I've seen [1] it doesn't look like they avoid touching the mouth.

[1] https://youtu.be/WPj7z72VgT0?t=130

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by Thorrez on Thursday March 12, 2020 @04:18AM (#22554778)
The Diocese of San Jose gave a dispensation from attending Mass to people in the various risk categories[1]. That means they don't have to attend Mass on Sunday.

> don't need to receive Communion for now

Regardless of the virus you only need to receive Communion once per year, not at every Mass[2].

[1] https://www.dsj.org/decree-of-special-dispensation-coronavir...

[2] https://forums.catholic.com/t/receive-holy-communion-at-leas...

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by TeMPOraL on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:37PM (#22547982)
Same in Poland. Schools, kindergartens, universities all closed starting Monday (Thursday and Friday are "if you must" to give people time to cope), but from what I hear from people, the Church considers itself to be a "hospital for the soul", and "you wouldn't close hospitals during a pandemic". smh.

> "the virus cannot be spread through Communion"

I assume Greece is Catholic, right? Because pope himself told people to take the "spiritual communion" instead of the actual one, and yet the Church in Poland doesn't seem to care.

EDIT: sorry. Somehow I thought Orthodox is mainly in Russia. But my rant against Polish Catholic Church still stands. Pope himself shows people what to do, but in Poland, we're going to do the opposite.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by bluGill on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:42PM (#22548077)
Greeze is probably orthodox not catholic. There is a difference, but I'm not sure what other than they don't report to the Pope, and they do recognize the pope (and vise versa)
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by StavrosK on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:57PM (#22548312)
There are dogmatic differences such as the Filioque, where one Church says that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father only, whereas the other claims that it also proceeds from the son.

It's kind of like the systemd rageforks, only for sillier (unless you're religious, I guess) reasons:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by disgruntledphd2 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @06:11PM (#22551366)
I dunno, the details of Christian theology and doctrine and systemd doctrinal differences seem equally silly to me.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by manquer on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:20PM (#22551866)
Until you get burnt by a bug/limitation which systemd team consider as feature.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by StavrosK on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:40PM (#22548043)
Greece is Orthodox, but I imagine each franchise has some leeway in its marketing. It seems that ours are just excessively greedy.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by nerfhammer on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:43PM (#22548097)
it's Greek Orthodox Catholic, which is not a part of the Roman Catholic church.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by mrleiter on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:32PM (#22547867)
Yes, I'm glad. Currently we have 246 confirmed cases and with those measures they may rise slower than otherwise.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by danlugo92 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:35PM (#22547933)
Makes the conspiracy theorist inside me think why are the governments are overreacting... Are they testing their reach for a future false flag?
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by enumjorge on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:43PM (#22548100)
Overreacting? Did you miss the headline of the thread you’re commenting on? This is officially a pandemic. And instead of reading that and thinking “wow, this needs to be addressed with serious action” you instead thought that hundreds of governments across the world are working in tandem to make it easier to raise false flags in the future. Yikes.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by brazzledazzle on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @02:06PM (#22548453)
If that’s their thought process about a pandemic announcement from the WHO I’m not sure the conspiracy theorist is just “inside” them any longer.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by harrier on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:59PM (#22549852)
Over 49 thousand people die from Pneumonia every year in the United States[1]. Under 5 thousand have died globally from COVID-2019[2]. Does this information change your perspective?

[1] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/pneumonia.htm

[2] https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situati...

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by pmoriarty on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @07:16PM (#22551837)
From a Penn State epidemiologist (note that the quote below speaks of the "infection fatality rate", which is different from the "case fatality rate", the difference is explained in the article)[1]:

"Scientists working at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Imperial College London and the Institute for Disease Modeling have used these approaches to estimate the infection fatality rate. Currently, these estimates range from 0.5% to 0.94% indicating that COVID-19 is about 10 to 20 times as deadly as seasonal influenza. Evidence coming in from genomics and large-scale testing of fevers is consistent with these conclusions. The only potentially good news is that the epidemic in Korea may ultimately show a lower CFR than the epidemic in China.

...

"On balance, it is reasonable to guess that COVID-19 will infect as many Americans over the next year as influenza does in a typical winter -- somewhere between 25 million and 115 million. Maybe a bit more if the virus turns out to be more contagious than we thought. Maybe a bit less if we put restrictions in place that minimize our travel and our social and professional contacts.

"The bad news is, of course, that these infection numbers translate to 350,000 to 660,000 people dying in the U.S., with an uncertainty range that goes from 50,000 deaths to 5 million deaths. The good news is that this is not a weather forecast. The size of the epidemic, i.e., the total number of infections, is something we can reduce if we decrease our contact patterns and improve our hygiene. If the total number of infections decreases, the total number of deaths will also decrease."

[1] - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-this-epidemiologist-is...

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by pixl97 on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:13PM (#22549971)
No, not at all. Because covid is just in the earily stages of spreading. At it's best it will kill far more than 50k this year alone and become endemic so it continues to kill at many on top of flu. At its worst it stands to kill a lot more.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by harrier on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @04:37PM (#22550212)
The number of cases in China was been steady for around a week. If we extrapolate from Hubei that should give a decent picture. Around 0.1% of their population were diagnosed with covid and of those diagnosed around 4% died. If we apply the same rates to the United States (328 million * .001 * .04) we get 12,960 deaths. Keep in mind that is somewhat of a worse case scenario. In Henan province the fatality rate is less than half of what it was in Hubei, 1.6%.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by PeterisP on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @05:02PM (#22550556)
It's not a "worse case scenario", it's successful containment through quite strict quarantine measures. Since neither USA nor Italy are taking measures remotely comparable to what Hubei or Henan did when they had a similar amount of spread, we should expect these countries to have a much larger spread than Hubei did, it's really not reasonable to assume that they would be able to limit this to "around 0.1% of their population were diagnosed with covid" - it's plausible that more than half of the population could get it, and leaders of many western countries have acknowledged that.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by harrier on Thursday March 12, 2020 @08:28AM (#22556085)
The population density of Hubei is over 9x that of the United States, the quality of care is better in the United States, and there was basically no action taken for the first 2 months of the outbreak.

"it's plausible that more than half of the population could get it, and leaders of many western countries have acknowledged that."

Will there ever be apologies for spreading mass hysteria?

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by PeterisP on Thursday March 12, 2020 @02:22PM (#22559957)
Will there ever be apologies for downplaying justified warnings and saying "it's just the flu" with dire consequences?

E.g. in a recent turnabout Vice President Mike Pence said today that there has been “irresponsible rhetoric” from people who have downplayed the seriousness of the U.S. coronavirus outbreak.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by harrier on Thursday March 12, 2020 @04:14PM (#22561247)
Will if Mike Pence says it, then it must be true.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by dang on Thursday March 12, 2020 @06:01PM (#22562311)
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by gpderetta on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @05:08PM (#22550649)
Well, yes, but that's with the extreme measures taken by China. And the spread in Italy doesn't seem close to stopping yet.

Edit: also pneumonia is caused by a large number of causes. If covid-19 killed as much as all respiratory diseases it would already be scary.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by harrier on Thursday March 12, 2020 @08:54AM (#22556271)
Let's look at South Korea. The number of daily cases has been declining for a week. There are currently 7,869 cases there. Let's just say that despite the current trend the number of cases manages to increase to 20,000. That would mean around 0.04% of the population of South Korea would be affected. They currently have a death rate of 0.8% but there are still many active cases. Let's say that doubles to 1.6% which would put it in line with regions of China other than Hubei. If we apply that infection rate and mortality rate to the US population (328,000,000 * .0004 * .016) that gives a total number of deaths of 2,099.

The numbers don't need any mitigating factors but those do exist as well. I don't see South Korea doing anything more extreme than what could be done in the US so that doesn't show the US would be worse. The population density of South Korea is 15x that of the US so that would probably mean the infection rate would be lower in the US. The median age is also higher in South Korea and since this disease affects older people more that would also make the outlook for America better.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by lukifer on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:55PM (#22548286)
It's not clear that it's an overreaction; the paradox is, assuming this truly is a pandemic (seems likely), and every nation on earth had taken drastic action early enough, it could have actually been contained; in which case we wouldn't have seen the pandemic manifest, and the public would be left scratching their heads, going "why did we do all that again?", and provoking inquiries into false-flag/etc.

I lean a little tinfoil-hatty; but I get the impression that for all the bullshit self-serving narratives proffered by elites (both economic and political), this is one that they actually seem to believe themselves, privately as well as publicly. If anything, they're more spooked than they're signaling openly.

Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by zpn on Thursday March 12, 2020 @03:42PM (#22560930)
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Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by streb-lo on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @03:15PM (#22549339)
And yet if they did nothing you would predictably be in this thread wondering if it was a planned release.
Re:Covid-19 is now officially a pandemic, WHO says by fit2rule on Wednesday March 11, 2020 @01:40PM (#22548039)
Western governments do seem to be reacting to this major threat to our lives with a degree of callous disregard ..