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Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by proximitysauce on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:02PM (#22141351)
When the media and establishment are repeatedly caught misleading the public, the result is the proliferation of conspiracy theories and a culture of distrust. Alex Jones isn't the answer, but neither is he the main problem. The problem is corruption in the mainstream media. That's far more pressing than grassroots videos that while probably incorrect at least challenge people to question what they're told.

I think there's a general and growing distrust of media that feeds into people like Alex Jones' popularity. I don't know how many of those people take him 100% seriously vs how many are just happy listening to an outsider that's taking shots at known corruption.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by reaperducer on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:14PM (#22141463)
When the media and establishment are repeatedly caught misleading the public, the result is the proliferation of conspiracy theories and a culture of distrust

Conspiracy theories happen whether the media is trustworthy or not. They existed many hundreds of years before there was mass media.

There's just something about certain people that makes their brains click, "That logical thing doesn't make sense to me. But this crazy thing does. And I need to tell everyone about it."

The internet has enabled the third part of that like never before.

Before the internet, it was whackjobs in online fora. Before that they were on BBSes. Before that, shortwave radio. Before that, books, pamphlets, fly posters, leaflets, and handbills. Before that, they would just stand on street corners shouting.

Most of the non-electronic methods still exist and are used frequently. From the guy with the megaphone walking around the Chicago Loop bitching about the FBI in his brain to Screamin' Jesus on the street corner of Lock Haven, Pennsylvania.

The promise of the internet was to give everyone an "equal voice." We probably should have solved mental health first.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by lend000 on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:45PM (#22142270)
You might be surprised by some of the people who hold unconventional views (hint: they aren't all crazy people yelling into a megaphone, and many of them keep their views relatively quiet to avoid being ostracized). It's a spectrum; there are the incredibly naive people who only believe what is 'mainstream.' Then there are the paranoid people who will believe absolutely anything that challenges the 'mainstream' thinking on a subject.

The people with the most accurate view of reality lie somewhere in the middle and do the critical thinking for themselves. The reality is that conspiracies do and always have existed, and the mainstream today is very different than the mainstream 100 years ago, which was different 100 years prior, etc. (because those mainstreams were proven wrong on many levels, as our current one will be).

Ask yourself honestly: would you have been on the side of the Catholic Church in the Galileo inquisition, had you lived in that time with your personality?

On the other side, would you have been a patron of the charlatan John Taylor had you lived in his time? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_(oculist)

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by catalogia on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:28PM (#22143361)
Part of the problem is the very term "conspiracy theory" and what it actually means.

Back in the 60s after John F Kennedy was murdered, there were two broad schools of thought; that he had been murdered by a man acting alone (no conspiring) or he was murdered by a man[men] acting in coordination with others (conspiring.) Thus in this case you had people who believed the official narrative, and everybody else, who had theories "about conspiracies." This particular case seems to have been strong enough to effectively redefine the term "conspiracy" to mean any theory contrary to the official narrative.

The problem is that in other cases, such as 9/11, the official narrative is a theory about a conspiracy. As are all of the alternative theories. In the case of something like 9/11, literally everybody agrees the numerous perpetrators conspired with each other; the disagreement arises over who exactly those conspirators were. In the 'proper' sense of the term "conspiracy theory", everybody believes at least some conspiracy theories. But in this new modern sense of the term, "conspiracy theory" applies to only to those who contradict the officially endorsed explanation of events.

(Incidentally in the specific case of JFK, only a minority of Americans believe the official one-man narrative: https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-one-thing-in-politi... Was it the mafia, the CIA, the Russians? Somebody else? Who fucking knows. But most people don't believe Oswald acted alone.)

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by Proziam on Friday January 24, 2020 @11:52PM (#22144772)
Terminology is a surface issue, another (possibly larger) problem is the amount of 'conspiracies' that have actually been proven to be true over time. Worse, because some conspiracies have for-profit motives behind them, it taints any source who repeats such claims, "They've been paid off by..." Two obvious examples that most people believe now: fluoride is bad for you, and we had little to no justification to go to war in the middle east after 9-11.

The problem is trust, and many of the world's governments and corporations (I would probably argue most) have proven to be unworthy of the public trust.

Really sad bonus thought: If you see what happened in the aftermath of 9-11, and look at how much money is made from warfare - how much of a stretch do you think it is for an otherwise typical person to believe it's an inside job?

This is why I don't watch the news anymore.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by paulryanrogers on Friday January 24, 2020 @05:19PM (#22142980)
Having been raised in a charismatic Christian family, I suspect many of us would have sided with the religious authorities. Kids are so impressionable and it's hard to break out of a way of thinking when your whole community and identity is built around it.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by LinuxBender on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:23PM (#22141554)
I have a slightly different take on it. From what I have seen, conspiracy theorists, some of them at least, will see snippets of truth and will start to fill in the blanks. Their methods of communication are usually filled in with passion and emotion. The end result often looks "crazy", but has bits of truth that have to be sifted out. I've learned to pay attention to some of the nutters, because they may not really be entirely nuts. Rather, they may have serotonin balance issues and communication problems. I have found more often than not that they were right more or less, at least partially. Alex Jones is actually a prime example of this. Most of the things he has espoused for many years have actually turned out to be true, but when he communicates these ideas, he sounds really out there. I personally know a couple people just like him. It's the same story. They see a series of events. They try to put them together and are usually just a little off base. The real problem is how they convey the picture. I find that I have to calm them down and "bring them back to earth" to find out what they really saw.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by Aperocky on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:41PM (#22141729)
> espoused for many years have actually turned out to be true

I would say some of the things that he premised on was true. But the idea he developed base on those things are nuts. it's not how he communicated them, it's just what it is.

(example not necessarily from Alex Jones, but just e.g)

US flag furled up on the moon (correct) -> like the wind blew on it (visual observation) -> it means the wind must have blown on it (fallacy) -> we never went to the moon.

Jet fuel cannot melt steel (maybe? correct) -> Therefore the fire it had on the world trade center cannot cause structural failure (does your chocolate not soften before it melts?) -> US did 911.

The premise can be true, the idea can still be bs.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by LinuxBender on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:00PM (#22141880)
For sure, there are a list of things he was way off base. I am just saying, there were many more things he was spot on and many of us thought he was just a nutter. My bigger concern around these folks is that individuals can exploit their characteristics by showing them snippets of true malfeasance, wait for them to get emotionally spun up and start making a fuss, then the malfeasance becomes something that nobody dare speak of, for fear of being associated with the "nutter". At least, if I were going to hide something big, that is probably one technique I would use. Let the nutter start spinning off the hinges and then nobody would dare talk about my evil plans.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by jakeogh on Friday January 24, 2020 @05:36PM (#22143064)
dv/dt #7 == g for over 100 ft (according to NIST)

There is a ~40min video in my profile that is just footage from the day and mainstream technical talks afterwards.

CB hacks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21057230

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by jfengel on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:33PM (#22142170)
Unfortunately, that kind of conspiracy theory isn't just reserved for isolated nutjobs. Trying to remain neutral about it, it is either the case that tens of millions of Americans believe in a conspiracy of scientists to promulgate a hoax about the climate, or tens of millions of Americans believe in a conspiracy of business interests to hide the reality of climate change.

That's not an ordinary difference of political opinion. One side or the other is engaging in conspiracy-theory thinking, at a vast level. (Or, I suppose, both.) I don't just mean that they're talking about a conspiracy, but applying all the hallmarks of paranoia, shifting goalposts, and bad faith that mark conspiracy theorists.

And that's just one example. It applies down the line, of many issues. This is the one that perhaps illustrates it best, but it's not mere partisanship. It's people needing to be "brought back to earth", as you said, but at a level involving many millions of people.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by creaghpatr on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:46PM (#22142276)
>It's people needing to be "brought back to earth", as you said, but at a level involving many millions of people.

That's the kind of talk that leads to re-education camps.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by jfengel on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:58PM (#22142378)
I made a point of not taking sides. I'm just pointing out that the problem is very large, regardless of who's right.

I'm also not proposing solutions. I'm sure there are many who would propose re-education camps -- that, too, is an indicator of the magnitude of the problem.

I'm actually quite short on ideas for solving it.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by ng12 on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:20PM (#22141523)
> The promise of the internet was to give everyone an "equal voice." We probably should have solved mental health first.

This idea that you're only allowed a platform once you've been "fixed" is exactly what pushes people towards conspiracy theories in the first place. It's a reaction to authoritarian mono-culture.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by mc32 on Friday January 24, 2020 @05:49PM (#22143141)
I don’t know. I’d like to think if the media were not distrusted then they’d be more credible as authorities in discrediting crackpot theories.

Unfortunately they wasted their credibility over the years and can’t be trusted to be reasonably unbiased and without agenda.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by majormajor on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:14PM (#22141461)
Crackpots and nutjobs have always been with us, their existence doesn't tell us anything about today vs yesterday. A claim that today is "more dishonest" than times in the past is also tough to substantiate.

The useful part of the debate today is if there is a responsibility for those who have ended up as potential gatekeepers to either help promote those people or to limit their audience by moderating platforms. Historically, the unhinged got distributed only as far as they could personally manage to coordinate; should we be handing bullhorns out to everyone? Free speech vs personal responsibility vs whatever other buzzword you like.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by reaperducer on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:16PM (#22141485)
A claim that today is "more dishonest" than times in the past is also tough to substantiate.

It's like how PBS has been pounding in its promos for the last few months that "We're a country divided like never before." Well, not really.

Yes, American politics is terrible now, but it's nothing like back in the 1800's. Posting some of the campaign literature that was distributed back then would get you banned from any modern electronic medium today.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by creaghpatr on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:09PM (#22142473)
Eh, I'm ok with a little commercial puffery. It is an election year, after all. When the Olympics roll around this summer the promos are going to say "it's that time when America comes together".
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by uxp100 on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:12PM (#22142511)
Divided like no time in the past 80 years would be true I think. Maybe not the last 100?
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by nilkn on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:58PM (#22142870)
The past 80 years include not just Vietnam but also the most significant legislative period of the Civil Rights movement. I'm not even that old but my dad was born before legal segregation was ended.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by creaghpatr on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:28PM (#22142638)
That time we sacrificed 58,000 Americans in the Vietnam War was pretty controversial.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by rowathray on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:40PM (#22142736)
Right. If people think BLM is controversial, check out the Black Panthers. BLM just wants a kinder gentler capitalism, the Black Panthers wanted to overthrow the shit and establish the dictatorship of the proletariat.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by creaghpatr on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:48PM (#22142805)
That whole 10-year period, really.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by wavefunction on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:05PM (#22141369)
My issue with conspiracy theory commercializers is that they don't give or promote the intellectual tools to "question what they're told", they just prompt people (primarily through appeals to emotion, especially fear and anger) and then turn it into a commercial product that justifies any lie. And there are real social effects from these conspiracy peddlers, like people who've lost their young children in a mass shooting receiving death threats and accusations that their dear child never existed and it's all a hoax.

I mean, I saw an anti-vaxxer post from social media that unknowingly suggested "a small piece of a virus instead of toxic chemicals" as an alternative to vaccines...

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by yalogin on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:25PM (#22142099)
Can you give me an example of "media and establishment are repeatedly caught misleading the public"? Are there documented cases outside of Fox news? Its a genuine question.

I thought the rest of the main stream doesn't lie and if they realize what they reported is wrong they retract and issue and correction/apology as needed.

My impression is the whole "media is lying" is a narrative furthered by Fox, right wing talk radio and more so Trump now to discredit the good institutions and to bring their trust level down.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by kaffeemitsahne on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:34PM (#22142176)
I can give an example from the New York Times relating to the Iraq War, I took it from wikipedia [1]:

In the buildup to the 2003 war, the New York Times published a number of stories claiming to prove that Iraq possessed WMD. One story in particular, written by Judith Miller, helped persuade the American public that Iraq had WMD: in September 2002 she wrote about an intercepted shipment of aluminum tubes which the NYT said were to be used to develop nuclear material.[83] It is now generally understood that they were not intended (or well suited) for that purpose but rather for artillery rockets.[84] The story was followed up with television appearances by Colin Powell, Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleezza Rice all pointing to the story as part of the basis for taking military action against Iraq.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destr...

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by thinkcontext on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:19PM (#22142564)
That was not "the media is lying". Miller used Bush administration sources and confirmed with an Iraqi source that turned out to be the source of the Bush info. Its disputed whether she was misled by one or both of these sources or perhaps one of the sources misled the other. That the administration would rely on this reporting, rather than their own CIA which was calling it into question, is a reflection on their deception not the media's.

It was bad reporting that was compounded by the editors not pushing back, as the article you cite goes on to say.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by catalogia on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:42PM (#22143429)
American media mostly got the story wrong, because they trusted the American government to be honest. But a lot of foreign media didn't get the story wrong, because they didn't blindly trust the American government.

I don't see being lied to as much of an excuse. It's their job to be skeptical, and they chose not to be.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by IfOnlyYouKnew on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:34PM (#22142687)
Yeah, it's always the story so old, it could have a college degree by now.

The NYT got something wrong! 17 years ago! And that's why... OP no longer believes in globular world theory?

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by crazynick4 on Friday January 24, 2020 @05:05PM (#22142902)
MSM takes the same stance any time the US wants to go to war and, each time, the country invaded ends up worse off than it was under the dictator they had before.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by catalogia on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:48PM (#22143459)
It took the NYTs over 50 years to admit their/Walter Duranty's denial of the Holodomor was bullshit. Who is to say this is the only time a lie might go unchallenged in American media for decades?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial_of_the_Holodomor#Walter...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Duranty

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by proximitysauce on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:45PM (#22142263)
Sure:

* Harvey Weinstein was covered up by many in the media as detailed in Ronan Farrow's Pulitzer Prize winning piece in The New Yorker [1]

* ABC killed a story about Jeffery Epstein in 2015 in part to retain access to the royal family. Epstein continued to sex traffic children for 3 years after this report would have aired [2]

* The BBC covered up for Jimmy Savile's pedophila (and other horrors I won't reprint here) for decades. The head of the BBC during that time left right before the scandal came to light to become the current CEO of The New York Times [3]

There are many other examples but these are recent and well documented.

1. https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/from-aggressive-ove...

2. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/abc-news-amy-robach-jeffrey-e...

3. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/30/jimmy-...

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by IfOnlyYouKnew on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:37PM (#22142718)
...and yet, it was the center of big, old liberal media that broke the Weinstein story, not some investigative citizen-youtuber.

And a large part of Ronan's story was to try how this worked. It wasn't that the people who knew (to varying degree) did not want to out him. They just feared for their livelihood, and sometimes more.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by proximitysauce on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:44PM (#22142764)
Even with Farrow's access and background he barely got the story out.

> And a large part of Ronan's story was to try how this worked. It wasn't that the people who knew (to varying degree) did not want to out him. They just feared for their livelihood, and sometimes more.

Correct, but my statement was about media trustworthiness. It doesn't really matter if people are keeping quite because they want to or because there's some super powerful individual that's coercing them to keep quiet, the result for the audience is the same. Why believe outlets that are covering up for the most heinous corruption and crimes imaginable? The media has a well earned reputation problem.

Also, I'm not sure why you want to make this a partisan argument. It's not, there's plenty of corruption to go around. I deliberately chose non-political examples of corruption.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by mc32 on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:47PM (#22142794)
At that point when they joined the chorus it was undeniable. That had to. In the meantime for over ten years they kept things quiet.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by lend000 on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:48PM (#22142311)
Remember CNN sharing debate questions to Hillary before a primary debate?

Edit: source for the downvoters [0]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donna_Brazile#Sharing_debate_q...

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by creaghpatr on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:55PM (#22142359)
The Covington incident was really nasty on the part of CNN especially but most outlets were implicated.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/07/nick-s...

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by zimpenfish on Friday January 24, 2020 @07:16PM (#22143599)
From that link, it seems to be "rogue CNN contributor" rather than CNN - indeed, they forced her out 3 days after her leaking was revealed. Am I missing something that indicates it was a larger CNN issue above and beyond a single rogue contributor?
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by filoleg on Friday January 24, 2020 @08:29PM (#22144030)
> Am I missing something that indicates it was a larger CNN issue above and beyond a single rogue contributor?

No, you aren't missing anything. No one says that CNN as a whole committed a grand conspiracy to assist Hillary with questions. However, each one of those "rogue CNN contributors" reflects poorly on the company as a whole, and the image of the whole media outlet as trustworthy suffers.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by rowathray on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:51PM (#22142336)
Not sure why this is downvoted. The DNC chair had to resign after her conspiracy to rig the election was leaked by Seth Rich.

CNN still up to the same tricks too. How did you like "Mr. Sanders, why did you say a woman can't be elected president?" "I never said that." "Senator Warren, how did you feel when Mr. Sanders told you a woman couldn't be president?". What the hell was that?

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by slacka on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:52PM (#22143486)
Are you missing a /s?

The Seth Rich conspiracy theory[1] has no factual basis in reality. It's a political smear to muddy the waters most likely started by Russian propagandists as cover to their hacking in our 2016 elections.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich#Conspiracy...

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by blackearl on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:42PM (#22142237)
See any thread on a Bloomberg article. They pushed that "Big Hack" story and it turned out to be shit, yet never retracted it or fixed it.

If you think the "main stream doesn't lie" you are extremely naive

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by ww520 on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:53PM (#22142845)
This just happens now, right before your eyes.

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1220758756071497728?s=...

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by ryandrake on Friday January 24, 2020 @04:04PM (#22142444)
Look at mainstream media coverage of any topic that you are an actual expert in, and observe how wrong^ they get it. Now assume their reporting on other topics is as competent.

^ Wrong in terms of facts, bias, what they choose to report and choose to omit, who they cite as experts, and other aspects

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by elfexec on Friday January 24, 2020 @06:51PM (#22143482)
> Can you give me an example of "media and establishment are repeatedly caught misleading the public"?

Look up every war we've been involved in. The media/establishment lied. Try Nayirah testimony if you want to get started. If you want more recent, look up the anti-venezuelan NYTimes piece by Joanna Hausmann, a minor youtuber. Why was she given a platform on the NYTimes? Oh because her father is an ousted former venezuelan central banker behind the coup attempts in venezuela. Did NYTimes mention this? Of course not. But then again, what more do we expect from the NYTimes which supported the first coup of Chavez. Why is an "objective" newspaper behind a coup attempt in a foreign country? Because the NYTimes was founded by bankers to support bankers interests.

Go look up the lies the media peddled on the syria war and the chemical attacks. Notice how they went quiet about that?

Look up the libya war. Look at the lies peddled about venezuela.

> My impression is the whole "media is lying" is a narrative furthered by Fox

That's because you watch too much CNN/MSNBC or read too much NYTimes/WashingtonPost. You have that impression because you've been brainwashed ( just like the poor fox news viewers you pity ). You aren't any better than what you disdain.

The "media is lying" is as old as the country.

"As for what is not true you will always find abundance in the newspapers." – Thomas Jefferson

"Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle." – Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson was a free speech proponent who hated the lying press.

We even have a famed period in history named for the lying press and journalists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

These predate fox news by more than a hundred years. You can generally trust the media to tell the truth about innocuous or unimportant events. The media, especially the highly regarded ones, lie about important events.

So if you are getting important news from dyspotian 1984 sounding "authoritative sources", know that you are being lied to.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by throwaway8879 on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:41PM (#22142227)
And what about the rest of us non-Americans who have our respectjve local media misleading the public? Perhaps we all have our own mini Fox News entities that drive this narrative?

I don't intend to bring too much cynicism in here, but if you outright believe any media in current year, whether mainstream or alternative, you are being misled. Everyone has an agenda.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by colordrops on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:19PM (#22141508)
Good point, in summary, Alex Jones is the symptom, not the disease.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by VerDeTerre on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:25PM (#22142097)
Or, to belabor the disease analogy, an opportunistic infection. Distrust makes it easier for otherwise fringe sources to spread beyond what would be expected in a healthy media environment.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by trekrich on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:23PM (#22141549)
i watch alex jones, and fox news. And CNN and MSNBC. BBC Sky news etc. To try to get all the view points.