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Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by LinuxBender on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:23PM (#22141554)
I have a slightly different take on it. From what I have seen, conspiracy theorists, some of them at least, will see snippets of truth and will start to fill in the blanks. Their methods of communication are usually filled in with passion and emotion. The end result often looks "crazy", but has bits of truth that have to be sifted out. I've learned to pay attention to some of the nutters, because they may not really be entirely nuts. Rather, they may have serotonin balance issues and communication problems. I have found more often than not that they were right more or less, at least partially. Alex Jones is actually a prime example of this. Most of the things he has espoused for many years have actually turned out to be true, but when he communicates these ideas, he sounds really out there. I personally know a couple people just like him. It's the same story. They see a series of events. They try to put them together and are usually just a little off base. The real problem is how they convey the picture. I find that I have to calm them down and "bring them back to earth" to find out what they really saw.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by Aperocky on Friday January 24, 2020 @02:41PM (#22141729)
> espoused for many years have actually turned out to be true

I would say some of the things that he premised on was true. But the idea he developed base on those things are nuts. it's not how he communicated them, it's just what it is.

(example not necessarily from Alex Jones, but just e.g)

US flag furled up on the moon (correct) -> like the wind blew on it (visual observation) -> it means the wind must have blown on it (fallacy) -> we never went to the moon.

Jet fuel cannot melt steel (maybe? correct) -> Therefore the fire it had on the world trade center cannot cause structural failure (does your chocolate not soften before it melts?) -> US did 911.

The premise can be true, the idea can still be bs.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by LinuxBender on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:00PM (#22141880)
For sure, there are a list of things he was way off base. I am just saying, there were many more things he was spot on and many of us thought he was just a nutter. My bigger concern around these folks is that individuals can exploit their characteristics by showing them snippets of true malfeasance, wait for them to get emotionally spun up and start making a fuss, then the malfeasance becomes something that nobody dare speak of, for fear of being associated with the "nutter". At least, if I were going to hide something big, that is probably one technique I would use. Let the nutter start spinning off the hinges and then nobody would dare talk about my evil plans.
Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by jakeogh on Friday January 24, 2020 @05:36PM (#22143064)
dv/dt #7 == g for over 100 ft (according to NIST)

There is a ~40min video in my profile that is just footage from the day and mainstream technical talks afterwards.

CB hacks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21057230

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by jfengel on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:33PM (#22142170)
Unfortunately, that kind of conspiracy theory isn't just reserved for isolated nutjobs. Trying to remain neutral about it, it is either the case that tens of millions of Americans believe in a conspiracy of scientists to promulgate a hoax about the climate, or tens of millions of Americans believe in a conspiracy of business interests to hide the reality of climate change.

That's not an ordinary difference of political opinion. One side or the other is engaging in conspiracy-theory thinking, at a vast level. (Or, I suppose, both.) I don't just mean that they're talking about a conspiracy, but applying all the hallmarks of paranoia, shifting goalposts, and bad faith that mark conspiracy theorists.

And that's just one example. It applies down the line, of many issues. This is the one that perhaps illustrates it best, but it's not mere partisanship. It's people needing to be "brought back to earth", as you said, but at a level involving many millions of people.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by creaghpatr on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:46PM (#22142276)
>It's people needing to be "brought back to earth", as you said, but at a level involving many millions of people.

That's the kind of talk that leads to re-education camps.

Re:Amazon Prime video gives amateur how-to’s, conspiracy the... by jfengel on Friday January 24, 2020 @03:58PM (#22142378)
I made a point of not taking sides. I'm just pointing out that the problem is very large, regardless of who's right.

I'm also not proposing solutions. I'm sure there are many who would propose re-education camps -- that, too, is an indicator of the magnitude of the problem.

I'm actually quite short on ideas for solving it.