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Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by RandomBacon on Sunday November 24, 2019 @07:02PM (#21624433)
I have a funny (IMO) anecdote: I used to be a cashier at a major regional chain. I once had a customer complain that an item rang up higher than the MSRP printed on it. I told the customer, 'MSRP stands for the average suggested retail price and that because it's an average, sometimes the actual price will be higher.' The customer didn't say anything else and bought the item (didn't ask for a manager or anything!).
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by graedus on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:05PM (#21624682)
> 'MSRP stands for the average suggested retail price and that because it's an average, sometimes the actual price will be higher.'

It stands for manufacturer's suggested retail price, but I guess your point stands because it is only a _suggested_ price. Still, I can't remember ever being charged more than MSRP, although perhaps it's happened without me noticing.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by ChuckMcM on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:11PM (#21624707)
Apparently you didn't buy a high end GPU card during the Bitcoin craze :-)
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by graedus on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:26PM (#21624758)
I did near the height of the frenzy (Jan '18), but I got lucky and got it for MSRP. That's a great example though, I remember seeing retailers charging 2-3x MSRP.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by filmgirlcw on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:34PM (#21624791)
It isn’t common but it can happen if something is in short supply with high demand. There can be regional differences too. I’ve seen the same item sell for more in a place with a higher cost of living than a place with lower cost of living 50 miles away, at the same retail chain. In those cases, the retailer is trying to squeeze additional margin to compensate for other factors that my run down profit.

It’s like how a 20oz bottle of Diet Coke might cost $1.00 in a small town, $1.25 on average, and $2.00 or even $2.25 in NYC.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by rootsudo on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:16PM (#21624727)
It's pretty common in Asia, especially if it's in a trading shop or importer.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by keithnoizu on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:39PM (#21625271)
99 cent arizona ice tea cost 2 bucks out here. : /
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by nightcracker on Monday November 25, 2019 @06:12AM (#21627059)
But the price is on the can though :)
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by keithnoizu on Monday December 02, 2019 @11:28AM (#21683897)
It still beats drinking samurai brand soft drinks
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by shmoogy on Monday November 25, 2019 @12:04AM (#21625613)
We sell a brand who has MSRP and MAP at the same price, the margin is too low after freight, so we price it at approximately 25% above MSRP.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by reaperducer on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:35PM (#21624999)
In most American states the customer is entitled, by law, to the lowest advertised or marked price. The store must honor that price.

In some cities, they're required to give the customer the item for free if the price at the register doesn't match what's on the product or on the shelf. My grandmother was notorious for holding up checkout lines for this reason.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by tomcam on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:51PM (#21625049)
Citation needed-I think this is an urban legend. Because it doesn’t account for innocent mistakes, which could be made with no knowledge of the stores. For example, an inexperienced staff member putting the wrong labels on.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by reaperducer on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:22PM (#21625180)
Citation needed-I think this is an urban legend

Citation (Wal-Mart): https://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2012/03/21/wal-mart-to-pay-2...

Citation (Walgreens): https://www.smdailyjournal.com/news/local/walgreens-to-pay-m...

Citation (Whole Foods): https://www.organicauthority.com/buzz-news/whole-foods-marke...

Citation (Best Buy): https://www.cnbc.com/id/18846852

I could easily pull up several hundred more, but I'm on a VPN routed to another country and having a hard time getting U.S. news results.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by michaelcampbell on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:30PM (#21625214)
Keep going then, because literally none of those mention a "law" about getting the item for free on a mismatch of charged price and advertised price.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by reaperducer on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:45PM (#21625291)
From the very first link:

"Consumers should feel confident that the price on the shelf will be the same price they are charged at the cash register,” said Attorney General Harris. “Californians who shop at Wal-Mart should know that they have the right to ask for the appropriate discount.”

Are you under the impression that the attorney general of California is making up consumer rights that do not exist as law?

"12024.2. (a) It is unlawful for any person, at the time of sale of a commodity, to do any of the following: (1) Charge an amount greater than the price, or to compute an amount greater than a true extension of a price per unit, that is then advertised, posted, marked, displayed, or quoted for that commodity. (2) Charge an amount greater than the lowest price posted on the commodity itself or on a shelf tag that corresponds to the commodity, notwithstanding any limitation of the time period for which the posted price is in effect."

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by rahimnathwani on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:15PM (#21625410)
The section of law you quoted says that the retailer can't charge a higher price than that on the shelf. So, if someone approaches them willing to buy the item at the advertised price, they could:

a) agree to sell at the advertised price (legal)

b) agree to sell only at a higher price (illegal)

c) refuse to sell

If they choose (c), then they're not in violation of the excerpt you quoted, as they're not 'charging' at all.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by losteric on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:12PM (#21625398)
Right, the store must honor their advertised price... however, they are not required to give away mispriced products. That would be ridiculous.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by DrScump on Monday November 25, 2019 @03:56AM (#21626474)
> Are you under the impression that the attorney general of California is making up consumer rights that do not exist as law?

Without getting into the competency of the current holder of that office...

What you are quoting is criminal law for retail in general. Certain chains that have a track record of overcharging are under consent decrees that specify protections for consumers that go beyond regular law, such as a free first item.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by michaelcampbell on Friday November 29, 2019 @03:04PM (#21666504)
> Are you under the impression that the attorney general of California is making up consumer rights that do not exist as law?

I've no idea what led you to this, nor why you quoted and posted something unrelated to the charge that you've yet to show any law that requires sellers to GIVE THE CONSUMER THE ITEM, FREE OF CHARGE, when mislaeled.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by lightedman on Monday November 25, 2019 @12:14AM (#21625651)
I know the relevant laws (possibly because I've been a retail business owner,) I'll actually cite them. It's called Truth in Advertising and Marketing, and is governed by the FTC at the federal level and also enforced at the state level where more appropriate. To violate it would give you a charge of False and Misleading Advertising. It is a secondary derivative of the Lanham Act, which also prohibits false advertising.

Airlines got especially busted for price advertisements, and are now required to abide by Federal laws written JUST FOR THEM regarding their pricing advertising practices - 14 CFR § 399.84

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by AdamJacobMuller on Monday November 25, 2019 @12:45PM (#21630693)
> Federal laws written JUST FOR THEM

This isn't because the airlines were/are particularly egregious about false advertising, but, because the cost of a ticket is a particularly complicated equation and what, exactly, should be required to be included in a displayed price needed to be harmonized across the entire industry and I would perhaps argue needs to be harmonized further.

E.g. Delta sells a ticket on a route for $500 all-inclusive. Southwest advertises the same ticket for $300 but doesn't include $300 in taxes/fees/surcharges/whatever in that price. The Southwest ticket is more expensive but in the absence of standardization of what must be included in the advertised price, neither is inherently right or wrong.

The whole system there probably requires some updating now too, with some carriers now doing things like not including any checked baggage, or not including reserved seating.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by nothrabannosir on Monday November 25, 2019 @01:54AM (#21626018)
This conversation is not about the price in your own ads but the MSRP, or the average price across retailers, or anything similar that depends on your competitors.

Are you required by law to price match?

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by lightedman on Monday November 25, 2019 @10:09AM (#21628722)
No, you are not, because it is a SUGGESTED price. You can walk into a Wal-Mart, see a First Act guitar where the box clearly says "MSRP $99" and you'll see $129 on the actual shelf price tag below the item.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by Gunax on Monday November 25, 2019 @12:45PM (#21630683)
What about accidents?

I think morally we should agree that there is a difference between fraudulent pricing and price errors. Are you actually in violation if you accidentally advertise or label an incorrect price?

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by lightedman on Tuesday November 26, 2019 @12:36AM (#21635870)
https://www.nist.gov/pml/weights-and-measures/us-retail-pric...

Some states, yes, even for a minor glitch in pricing.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by phyzome on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:56PM (#21625073)
This certainly applies to grocery stores in Massachusetts, and is even printed up on an informational placard tacked to the register, so that the customer can easily read it.

Basically: First item free if under $10, or gets a $10 discount, rest of items of same product at lowest price. Does not apply if lowest price is 50% or lower than the highest price (which seems too high to me, given that there are legitimate sales at that markdown level.)

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by dustincoates on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:03PM (#21625101)
I always assumed that was the store's way of preventing cashiers from overcharging and pocketing the extra, but sure enough: https://blog.mass.gov/consumer/massconsumer/the-price-is-rig...
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by phyzome on Monday November 25, 2019 @03:50PM (#21632668)
It's to protect consumers who see what looks like a good price and don't notice the discrepancy. (A friend of mine whose budget is very tight has been caught out by this a few times, and is the one who pointed the law out to me.)

For a while, my closest grocery store (part of a local chain) was terrible at keeping pricing information up to date. Occasionally I'd get surprise discounts, but more frequently I'd get charged too much instead. I was going to buy those things anyway, but on the principle of not letting the store screw people over, I started being a stickler about it. And guess what? The store shaped up.

(I assume the mechanism was that the increase in the number of price overrides at the register caused a review, and the store manager allocated more employee-hours to keeping prices in order, instead of treating it as an optional task.)

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by Danieru on Monday November 25, 2019 @02:28AM (#21626136)
Back in the late 2000's when I worked cashier at Wal-Mart in Alberta we did this. There was a threshold, something like 20% difference and it was free.

In all cases the customer was entitled to the lowest advertised price, be that in our flyer or the shelf. Rarely was the issue flyers. Most common cause of mis-marked prices was a stocker not updating the listed price on the shelf. Or an old price tag getting left behind the new price, and thus disappearing.

If anything this was a quality check, it gave the store a chance to catch mistakes without burning customers.

One source of supposed fraud was price tag printers getting left out. In theory a customer could use the printers to print up their own fake price tags, then request the fake price. Hence lectures from security on never leaving printers on shelf's unattended.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by dwild on Monday November 25, 2019 @10:00AM (#21628628)
In Quebec we do have theses laws.

https://www.educaloi.qc.ca/en/capsules/price-labelling-and-a...

One of the exboyfriend of my sister was using this law to much to get cheap movies for free at Walmart.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by wil421 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:55PM (#21625071)
I found a whole untrimmed beef tenderloin for $0.50 at Costco. The employees refused to let me buy it and ran to the back to get the rest of the incorrectly priced ones out of the cooler.

I was younger and didn’t press the issue. Now that I’m older I would’ve pressed the issue and grabbed the whole cooler but I don’t really want to get someone fired.

Who would you complain to if they refused to let you buy it?

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by jedberg on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:15PM (#21625153)
Costco is membership based so they could just revoke your membership.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by dwild on Monday November 25, 2019 @10:01AM (#21628642)
I'm not sure testing the law on that would have been something that worth it for them for a bit of meat. The impact on their PR would awful too.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by reaperducer on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:17PM (#21625163)
Who would you complain to if they refused to let you buy it?

Your state attorney general. It usually has a consumer fraud department for this sort of thing. If your city is large enough, there may be an equivalent city office.

For things like gas, it's often the county or state department of weights and measures.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by BurningFrog on Monday November 25, 2019 @12:34AM (#21625722)
Insisting on buying at the mistaken price might have been legal, but it would still be a major jerk move.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by welly on Monday November 25, 2019 @04:16AM (#21626574)
> but it would still be a major jerk move.

Why? Genuinely curious.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by BurningFrog on Monday November 25, 2019 @10:49AM (#21629137)
To me it's basically stealing. The misprinted price is clearly not what the store intended, which means it would not be a consensual transaction.

I'm in turn genuinely curious how this is not obvious.

Would you be comfortable doing the same to someone who accidentally omitted a zero on their used car sales price on Craigslist?

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by shard on Monday November 25, 2019 @05:32AM (#21626887)
Well, whichever worker accidentally mislabeled it could have a really bad day, depending on how much money the store ended up losing.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by welly on Monday November 25, 2019 @06:16AM (#21627083)
That's fair.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by MrBuddyCasino on Monday November 25, 2019 @05:08AM (#21626784)
How is this downvoted? Is capitalising on someone else's innocent mistake at all costs really the high road to take here?
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by Beldin on Monday November 25, 2019 @01:50AM (#21625999)
> In most American states the customer is entitled, by law, to the lowest advertised or marked price. The store must honor that price.

Advertised by whom? If you mean advertised by the very store in which the customer is trying to purchase the good, that makes a lot of sense (in view of consumer protection /truth in advertising).

However, the previous comment was about the MSRP - the manufacturer suggested retail price. While that's not an average per se, neither is it a mandatory limit. As the name suggests, it's a suggestion.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by dwild on Monday November 25, 2019 @09:54AM (#21628570)
The comment is pretty clear that the price was printed on it.

> I once had a customer complain that an item rang up higher than the MSRP printed on it.

They would have to put a sticker on top of that then.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by greggman2 on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:31PM (#21625226)
I'm sure it's some HN algo why I can't reply your reply asking for citations so replying to here instead.

None of the links in your reply support the statement "In most American states the customer is entitled, by law, to the lowest advertised or marked price. The store must honor that price."

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by reaperducer on Sunday November 24, 2019 @11:09PM (#21625391)
Just because I looked this up for another response, here's California's law:

"12024.2. (a) It is unlawful for any person, at the time of sale of a commodity, to do any of the following: (1) Charge an amount greater than the price, or to compute an amount greater than a true extension of a price per unit, that is then advertised, posted, marked, displayed, or quoted for that commodity. (2) Charge an amount greater than the lowest price posted on the commodity itself or on a shelf tag that corresponds to the commodity, notwithstanding any limitation of the time period for which the posted price is in effect."

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...

Westchester County, New York:

"3. It shall be a violation of this code: a. To stamp, tag, label or otherwise mark any item of consumer goods at a selling price greater than the selling price advertised or displayed for that item. b. To stamp, tag, label or otherwise mark more than one (1) selling price upon an item of consumer goods offered for sale in Westchester County unless the prior selling price is unmistakably deleted or obliterated or is otherwise marked so as to indicate clearly the prior selling price is not the current selling price. c. To sell or offer for sale any consumer goods or services at a greater price than the price displayed or advertised therefor."

https://consumer.westchestergov.com/consumer-laws/consumer-c...

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by greggman2 on Monday November 25, 2019 @01:03AM (#21625849)
I could be misinterpreting those laws but they still do not seem to support your point. They aren't about MSRP. They are about your own ads. MSRP is $10, you can advertise $15, if you then charge $20 you broke the law by charging different than you advertised. If you charged $15 you'd be fine even though it's above the MSRP
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by chrisseaton on Sunday November 24, 2019 @10:22PM (#21625178)
How can you have an ‘average suggested retail price’? There’s only one manufacturer to suggest a price so what multiple values would they be averaging?
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by mtmail on Sunday November 24, 2019 @07:08PM (#21624466)
In Germany the equivalent is called translated 'non-binding price suggestion'.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by smnrchrds on Sunday November 24, 2019 @09:24PM (#21624964)
And I assume it is all one long word?

Edit: Apparently it is two long words instead: Unverbindliche Preisempfehlung

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by eru on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:57PM (#21624877)
And the exact wording might have been chosen to work around anti price fixing laws?
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by peter_tonoli on Sunday November 24, 2019 @08:49PM (#21624850)
In Australia, it's called 'recommended retail price'.
Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by altShiftDev on Monday November 25, 2019 @12:52AM (#21625802)
> The customer didn't say anything else and bought the item (didn't ask for a manager or anything!).

A very patient man then, I would have asked you why you thought an acronym beginning with M stood for average.

Re:Why are people getting worse at “The Price Is Right”? by jldugger on Monday November 25, 2019 @12:54AM (#21625808)
Aww, don't be 'mean'...