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Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by zer0tonin on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:37AM (#21345067)
> by default you give people the benefit of the doubt

I actually tend to assume websites like HN are the NSA or at least the NSA have read access to their databases. Maybe it's my tinfoil hat tendencies but instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt I would rather not give them any data I don't mind the NSA having.

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by ktm5j on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:42AM (#21345127)
Everyone has read access to HN.. there are no private messages that I'm aware of, anyone can search this site using google
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by cryptoz on Thursday October 24, 2019 @11:44AM (#21345768)
HN contains a lot of information that isn't visible on the public web. Ban lists, point counts, user access history, etc.

> Everyone has read access to HN

No, not to their databases as OP is discussing. It would be definitely a crime if any of us had that info as it would imply we broke in and stole it - but OP is suggesting that they assume NSA already has it (a potentially paranoid but also reasonably fair thing to do, IMO).

From a personnel standpoint, isn't Thiel on the board of HN/YC and doesn't Thiel have basically uncountable NSA/CIA/etc connections? I'm not saying Thiel has anything to do with HN's security - but clearly, saying HN's databases might be accessed by someone like CIA (while a board member of YC is active in sales & partnerships to CIA etc) isn't that crazy.

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by dang on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:59PM (#21347302)
> isn't Thiel on the board of HN/YC

He is not.

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by andai on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:43AM (#21345139)
I think the HN database is available publicly for download.
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by cryptoz on Thursday October 24, 2019 @11:48AM (#21345812)
It's not.

None of us know how many points your comment has, or if you have an email address on file, or how many times you visited HN today, or what IP you're using, etc. But all of those things are in the HN database(s) I'm sure!

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by _jal on Thursday October 24, 2019 @11:58AM (#21345915)
I'm normally the tinfoil-hat guy in any given discussion.

I'll go out on a limb and predict that my HN internet points score is not a signal of interest to NSA selection criteria.

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by cryptoz on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:06PM (#21345996)
Wait, why not? Knowing who votes for what content, when, and in coordination with whom else seems like it would be extremely useful indeed! Aren't techniques like this already used by FBI etc on Twitter when investigating illegal content and coordination of its' dissemination? Bot networks are taken down on Twitter and other sites all the time using voting data.

Social voting data is a rather sizable and useful dataset for surveillance agencies. HN has a high concentration of current-high-impact and future-high-impact individuals and is therefore a reasonably interesting trove of information.

I realize all this is indeed tinfoil-hat-ish stuff. But I'd be shocked in NSA/CIA/FBI etc was disinterested in online social voting habits of users.

Also, you latched on to a single example I gave. HN may have your email address privately (if you gave it to them) and they also have your IP/access logs. This is all stuff that they save but is not publicly available information.

I'm sure there's more as well. It's not just "internet points" and reducing the discussion down to simply dismissing a single one of my thoughts isn't going to get us anywhere.

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by _jal on Thursday October 24, 2019 @03:06PM (#21348068)
> HN may have your email address privately (if you gave it to them) and they also have your IP/access logs. This is all stuff that they save but is not publicly available information.

I'm pretty certain there's nothing the NSA doesn't already have. See the Swowden gifts on MUSCULAR[1] the better-known PRISM[2], and XKEYSCORE[3]. There are other relevant programs, but I don't have my notes on that stuff with me at the moment.

Anyway, I won't argue about how much the NSA values internet scores. Let's just say I can imagine a targeted extortion campaign against a specific individual using such inputs, but I can't see how the Great Hoover would use them as any sort of actionable signal.

[1] http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/page/world/how-the-nsas-mus...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_%28surveillance_program%...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XKeyscore

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by Izkata on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:39PM (#21347063)
GP said "score", so my guess is they weren't even thinking in that direction, just their posts that others voted on.
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by cryptoz on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:55PM (#21347252)
> just their posts that others voted on

But you can't calculate the 'score' without knowing who those people are, when they voted, and what else they voted on too. The score is a summary generated from lots of information. It's not just some number that carries no value.

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by dredmorbius on Thursday October 24, 2019 @04:59PM (#21349104)
A small sampling of as few as 10 Facebook "likes" gives analysts a better picture of you than your friends. As few as 300, a better image than your life partner, should you have one.

(And if you don't, APTs, will assign one to you....)

https://www.wired.com/2015/01/facebook-personality-test/

Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by lifeisstillgood on Thursday October 24, 2019 @10:43AM (#21345148)
Err, all the NSA needs to do to get access to our HN posts is scrape the site. National Security Letters are probably more effort to arrange than a copy of BeautifulSoup. I hope ...
Re:BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror by zer0tonin on Wednesday October 30, 2019 @05:35AM (#21395903)
Not really, there's a lot of content that isn't public, like upvoted submissions, but can give a lot of information about a person political opinions and interests.