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Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by partiallypro on Monday October 21, 2019 @02:54PM (#21315874)
If I'm not mistaken AWS has the highest egress rates of the major cloud providers.
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by tyingq on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:28PM (#21316220)
All of them (AWS, GCP, Azure) are priced outrageously compared to high quality, well peered, bandwidth.
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by q3k on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:39PM (#21316363)
GCP is pretty good though. Cold-potato, very fat backbone, and very good presence at a ton of PoPs. When using GCP you basically have the same global, high-bandwidth direct connectivity presence that Google uses for its products, and that is very difficult to match by traditional T1 ISPs.
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by heleninboodler on Monday October 21, 2019 @03:56PM (#21316556)
Ok, help me out: "cold-potato"? :D
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by lokar on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:02PM (#21316620)
Vs "hot potato"

Hold onto the packet for as long as you can vs hand it off to your peer as quickly as possible.

Most networks do "hot", Google does "cold" since their network is almost always better than that of the peer.

Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by Jarwain on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @03:24AM (#21321093)
The origin of which, for those who aren't familiar, is a game called "hot potato" where you try to pass a ball around as quickly as possible as if it was a hot potato
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by Havoc on Monday October 21, 2019 @05:29PM (#21317626)
Weird terminology. Thanks for explaining though
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by techsupporter on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:01PM (#21316610)
It is the inverse of “hot potato” routing where the network tries to get rid of a packet as soon as possible (that is, drop a hot potato). Cold potato means the network keeps the packet on-network as long as it can.
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by codexon on Monday October 21, 2019 @05:45PM (#21317805)
Cold potato is not necessarily better, actually its often times worse than hot potato and usually used to lower costs so you don't have to pay other people for transit.

For example, a cold potato network may have a link from Dallas to Chicago to New York, while a hot potato network could have a direct link from Dallas to New York.

Cogent uses cold potato and is frequently worse than other transit providers.

Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by gcommer on Monday October 21, 2019 @06:02PM (#21317958)
Google's cold potato is very good though.

(Also, they offer the option to use hot potato and pay them less: https://cloud.google.com/network-tiers/docs/overview )

Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by achiang on Monday October 21, 2019 @11:09PM (#21320039)
Thanks, you made my day.

I'm a Google network SRE, but perhaps I'll get new business cards saying "cold potato engineer".

Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by Dylan16807 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:29AM (#21331379)
So it's hard to value the premium for google cold potato specifically, if it outclasses everything else.

But their hot potato still costs $65+ per TB at medium volumes and $45+ per TB at high volumes. That is still extremely high compared to normal peering costs.

Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by tyingq on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:59PM (#21317284)
It does have advantages, but it's not always worth the difference of "several cents per GB" versus "fractions of a cent per GB".
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by ikiris on Monday October 21, 2019 @05:06PM (#21317361)
Walmart is generally cheaper than a steak restaurant. YMMV, and they both have their uses. Its worth going to both.
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by tyingq on Monday October 21, 2019 @07:06PM (#21318562)
That's a very odd analogy, and overstating the difference.
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by griffinkelly on Monday October 21, 2019 @04:43PM (#21317109)
My company was getting massive bills on AWS S3 egress. It was one of the reasons we moved to Wasabi for bucket storage; we then had to deal with a huge one time hit for egress, but in the long run the short term cost was worth it.
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by zmmmmm on Monday October 21, 2019 @05:18PM (#21317498)
Do you think Wasabi is sustainable? I looked at them but find it hard to believe they can sustain free unlimited egress forever.
Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by DenseComet on Monday October 21, 2019 @05:43PM (#21317784)
I like the Cloudflare/Backblaze duo. Presumably data stays on Cloudflare's network for as long as possible and goes to Backblaze via direct links, so Backblaze can provide free egress to Cloudflare customers (and customers of other serivces like Packet, etc.), while charging others.

This seems more sustainable than Wasabi's model, but there's no way of knowing for sure.

Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by mitchs on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @04:16AM (#21321323)
I just put 1 TB in AWS/Azure/GCP's cost calculators.

AWS (US East 1, no free tier) - $92.07

Azure (East US) - $88.65

GCP (Americals) - $122.88

I'm quite surprised by GCP being the highest cost here, and by such a wide margin.

Re:AWS Customers Rack Up Hefty Bills for Moving Data by partiallypro on Friday October 25, 2019 @11:06PM (#21361444)
Backblaze has good rates, but it's only really good for storage...which is their main use. I am also surprised GCS (GCP?) is so high. Last a checked AWS was the highest, maybe they cut their rates. I am a pretty happy Azure customer. My only complaint really are their service plans being subpar, but now I've switched over to their IaaS model and it's much better.