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Re:Which Way Do You Run? by eric_b on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:45PM (#21285676)
[Me reading the article]: Hrmm, I'm not sure I understand the point of this article. Seems like vague hand wavy advice and platitudes (I mean c'mon "run towards your fear"? Cheese-factor 1000).

[Me gets to the end of the article] Oh, Ben has a new book coming out so he needs to shill it. Makes sense.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by Iv on Friday October 18, 2019 @12:16AM (#21288632)
My policy is to not click on articles whose title are unclear. If I am intrigued I read the comments first and generally find out a comment (like yours) explaining this article was a waste of time
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by millirem on Friday October 18, 2019 @12:17AM (#21288634)
That's one of the biggest benefits I get out of using HN - pre-selection by taking a quick look at the comments before reading anything.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by baxtr on Friday October 18, 2019 @03:05AM (#21289259)
It has become my habit too. I never click the links directly, always comments section first.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by james_impliu on Friday October 18, 2019 @03:36AM (#21289377)
Does anyone else always feel a weird HN specific fomo - "comments or content... I want both!"
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by TeMPOraL on Friday October 18, 2019 @03:52AM (#21289441)
I don't. I always go straight for comments, unless I already recognize by the title or domain name that the article is something I'd like to read. Then I skim comments to learn whether the article is worth reading. Even if it isn't, if I want to participate in a thread that's about the article directly (vs. an interesting tangent), I go back and at least skim the article, just to not be that person who comments on TFA without reading it.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by scirocco on Friday October 18, 2019 @02:38AM (#21289168)
Same here. More often than not, there's people in HN who have experience with a topic and can add perspective (and hopefully an impartial view).

More than ever, we need to tone down the clickbait, put it to perspective, and understand if it's something we should give attention to. HN does this in a quick manner

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by eriktrautman on Friday October 18, 2019 @03:50AM (#21289439)
It works especially well with click-baity things where someone has helpfully quoted the key bit in the top comment and you can avoid dealing with popup-riddled sites to find it.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by treebornfrog on Friday October 18, 2019 @11:38PM (#21296629)
A good rule of thumb to live by indeed.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by Zelphyr on Thursday October 17, 2019 @04:24PM (#21286011)
Running toward your fear isn't hand wavy advice. It is in essence what modern therapy around fear, panic, and anxiety teaches. It's good advice because it works. Running away only makes the problem worse. Be that losing $30M or not being able to walk out of your house.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by Judgmentality on Thursday October 17, 2019 @05:27PM (#21286502)
Fear might be the most important emotion from an evolutionary perspective. Pretending you can simply run towards your fears and things will get better is awful, awful advice. I am not saying you should let your fears consume you or that they can never be conquered, but maybe an alcoholic's fear of being in a bar is a healthy thing (there are plenty of other examples but that was the first I thought of after 5 seconds).
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by nostrademons on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:55PM (#21287735)
The point about running toward your fear isn't that things will get better, it's that you'll know which of your fears were valid and which were illusory. Oftentimes the thing you're most afraid of is simply not knowing what's going to happen next.

In the context that Ben is writing this post (founding a startup), basically the worst thing that can happen to you is that your company goes bankrupt and you have to look for a job. It feels a lot scarier than that because your ego gets wrapped up in the startup and all sorts of negative events can be existential threats to the startup, but there are basically no physical threats to your person other than yourself. If a tiger comes running at you or someone points a gun at you, by all means, be afraid and run away, but if you're signing a $30M lease, be afraid and then face that fear and rationally analyze the risks.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by lmeyerov on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:52PM (#21287981)
The hard part of juggling startup risks feels more of the reverse of what Ben's remembering.

It's not that you need to spot a ball is about to drop and catch it. Founders are up at 2am and every e-staff & advice meeting thinking about them & then acting on them. However, running at all of them will give you a heart attack, burn out your team, and derail your mission.

Instead, you have to accept that a ton of balls are dropping, and somehow get good at guiding which & how. Now that's a chapter I'd like to read :)

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by Judgmentality on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:18PM (#21287835)
As someone who started a company and had it fail years ago, I still consider that a defining moment in ruining my life today. The knock-on effects are not so simple unless you have the benefit of tens of millions of dollars of exceedingly wealthy investors' money to play with. Relationships destroyed, people's finances ruined, people that had nothing to do with my company losing their jobs. I was often told my biggest mistake as a founder was that I cared about people rather than money.

This post reeks of the privilege of a VC who sells self-help books.

https://xkcd.com/1827/

To put it kindly, I disagree.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by Godel_unicode on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:02PM (#21286753)
Yeah, "run towards your fear" is similar to "life is a meritocracy". We only hear from the people who it was true for.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by GauntletWizard on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:28PM (#21286924)
I've found a lot of success in that philosophy, but also some incredible damage. I ran towards my dear for a long time, and mostly it worked out. Even when it failed, it was a learning experience - I knew not to trust, but was no longer afraid of what I had previously feared. There's a huge difference between being afraid and being aware of falsehood/scam/danger.

Then I ran into something truly awful, and got drugged (and possibly raped, though I will never know). I've been afraid since then, and it's gonna take me a good long while to shake it off. It has immensely negatively affected my life, and it's made me question my judgement in a lot of situations - because I'm pretty sure the experience is only unique in that the stars aligned, not that the intent, will, and opportunity wasn't there in plenty of previous places, only didn't all line up before.

I don't have anything that I can take from it, except a certainty that Chestertons fence is real, and a lot of things that are looked down upon are looked down upon for good reason.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by warlog on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:14PM (#21287230)
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by asfarley on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:35PM (#21286970)
That last sentence has some real subtext to it. It took me a long time to appreciate Chesterton's fence.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by lazyasciiart on Friday October 18, 2019 @02:40AM (#21289177)
Sorry you went through that experience.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by sudhirj on Thursday October 17, 2019 @11:30PM (#21288417)
The trouble with these reactive emotions is that they’re twice removed from reality. You see a tiger in the distance, your body pumps itself with adrenaline and you get ready for fight or flight. But the brain and the body don’t work on absolutes - only patterns. You see or hear something, you’re pumped full of adrenaline, and now you have to fight or flee. There’s no way to rationally examine the thing that triggered you and un-secrete or quickly flush the adrenaline.

That’s what we need in a modern non-jungle world - understand your impulses, but be enough in control or yourself to rationally examine your environmental triggers, counteract your adrenaline and logically decide your future actions.

Save the evolutionary adaptions for your camping trip.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by smallnamespace on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:10PM (#21287208)
Maybe the metaphor is a bad one, but he doesn't mean physically approach the fear, he means confronting the actual problem mentally instead of sticking your head in the sand and just hoping it works out.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by lukevdp on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:59PM (#21287142)
I've never met an alcoholic that was scared of a bar
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by bluntfang on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:23PM (#21287277)
a bar is an enabling environment for an alcoholic in recovery. if an alcoholic doesn't want to relapse, it would make sense that they would fear bars.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by Avshalom on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:28PM (#21287295)
Maybe but running towards "losing 30m" as a fear is a hell of a lot different than not-running-away from "I lost 30m" as a fact.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by papreclip on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:01PM (#21287479)
Re: the $30M, hindsight is 20/20
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by RugnirViking on Friday October 18, 2019 @05:12PM (#21295129)
Be that as it may, given the choice, I would run away from losing $30M dollars regardless.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by fouc on Friday October 18, 2019 @02:36AM (#21289159)
How many people actually crawl towards their fear? Let alone walk or run. It's crazy bananas tough.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by alasdair_ on Thursday October 17, 2019 @04:28PM (#21286052)
Be sure to Lean In when you run towards your fear!
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by notyourday on Thursday October 17, 2019 @05:20PM (#21286452)
> Oh, Ben has a new book coming out so he needs to shill it. Makes sense.

I'm always baffled that people who flop in the most spectacular way manage to convince others to buy books with advice from them.

I distinctly remember an article about a year or so ago touting a new managing partner(?) at a VC who ran his one and only startup into the ground. The logic was "He can help you not to do what he did"

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by ImprovedSilence on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:08PM (#21288057)
I mean, isn't a whole big shtick of the Silicon Valley mindset that it tolerates, even celebrates, failure? And insists on learning from it. If you don't make it running a company, maybe you can make it from writing, just don't stop trying to make it. Fall down seven times, stand up eight, etc..
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by TeMPOraL on Friday October 18, 2019 @04:02AM (#21289487)
That's a great principle, but they key to realize its value is actually learning from it, and one of the most important lessons here is that in startups, spectacular successes are driven by luck. If that one lesson doesn't sink in, then all other "learning from failure" is akin to training your machine learning model on random noise.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by notyourday on Friday October 18, 2019 @08:20AM (#21290705)
> If you don't make it running a company, maybe you can make it from writing, just don't stop trying to make it.

Isn't that confusing what someone who fails should do ( do it again/do something else/try another path) with what those who see it should do ( not listen to whoever failed about how to succeed at doing what the failed person did )?

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by karl11 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @04:16PM (#21285955)
I think if you have ever actually run a business, his article hits home and has a pretty clear point.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by ramraj07 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:52PM (#21288267)
It hits home even if you haven't. I'd say that I've felt the same tingle when writing code as well. At times when someone asks for a new feature or I'm working on a particular solution to the problem, I'd definitely get the same feeling that this particular abstractions isn't going to cut it, or that this part of the codebase is going to become unwieldy soon.

I'd argue a great engineer is someone who can anticipate exactly how a software product is going to evolve, where it will not scale properly in those cases and see if the code they are writing today is potentially going to be a problem then or not (and play a fine line game of not over-engineering vs. preparing for future circumstances).

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by gwbas1c on Thursday October 17, 2019 @04:24PM (#21286013)
Yeah, I don't get it.

Should have have addressed something with his head of sales, or should he have handled his expanding workforce differently?

Or something else entirely? Maybe the point is that ignoring evidence that the market is turning can be a disaster?

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by beat on Thursday October 17, 2019 @04:33PM (#21286111)
Yes, he should have addressed something with head of sales. He should have recognized the coming downturn and stopped expanding his staff. He should have done other things. His gut was telling him this.

But he didn't. He delegated the space problem so he didn't have to think about it anymore. And it cost him $30M that he would desperately need not long later (read The Hard Thing About Hard Things for that story).

It's not about ignoring evidence that the market is turning. It's not that specific. It's that your spidey-sense, for lack of a better word - your gut, your sense of fear - is telling you that something is a problem. You can then either engage that problem, or avoid that problem. And if you avoid it, you will screw up.

But it's incredibly difficult to face our gut fear. So we don't do it.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by notyourday on Thursday October 17, 2019 @05:22PM (#21286463)
> And it cost him $30M that he would desperately need not long later (read The Hard Thing About Hard Things for that story).

That's the problem with companies that raise gobs of money -- zero discipline in spending.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by beat on Friday October 18, 2019 @10:43AM (#21291777)
It was a different era then. Things are a lot tighter now.

Loudcloud was a terrific concept in its day. It could have become what AWS has become. But it was growing because money was just getting poured into dotcom startups. When the money dried up, they were stuck with all this hardware and staff they had needed. It's a credit to Horowitz that he saved even the sliver he did.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by IAmGraydon on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:46PM (#21287386)
I’m pretty sure the point was for him to tell us all that he is an “elite” CEO at the end of the article.
Re:Which Way Do You Run? by hodgesrm on Saturday October 19, 2019 @05:37PM (#21300930)
The article can be summarized in a single sentence: if you your spidey sense tells you something is wrong, figure out what it is and fix it.

It's a good point albeit expressed obscurely. It took me two reads to get it, which seems about average judging from some of the other comments here.

Re:Which Way Do You Run? by bllguo on Thursday October 17, 2019 @04:27PM (#21286039)
seems to me a16z has been taking quite a bit of reputational damage recently..