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Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by Scapeghost on Thursday September 26, 2019 @07:12PM (#21086642)
So octopuses are very intelligent, and very alien. Anyone who has even casually read or watched videos about them will know this.

But their potential is cut short by their incredibly short lives (like 5? years at the higher end) which seem to be caused by a very bizarre self-destructive behavior after mating (starving themselves, eating their own arms), which in turn is caused by an "optic gland" and removing that gland completely eliminates that self-destructiveness and increases their lifespan.

It makes you wonder if that gland was artificially engineered into them.

The sci-fi nerd in me likes to think there is a cosmic conflict between axial-symmetry species and radial-symmetry species, which may be overall more common in the universe given how life evolves at the microscopic scale, and Earth was chosen to give apes a chance.

Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by human20190310 on Thursday September 26, 2019 @07:31PM (#21086794)
If I recall correctly, one theory is that octopuses are such voracious cannibals that a swift demise after reproduction evolved to keep them from eating the next generation.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by orange8 on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:34AM (#21089716)
Did that evolution happen faster than it took the previous un-evolved octopuses to eat all their young?
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by rangibaby on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:12AM (#21089899)
I guess so, because if the cannibals had won there would be no octopuses
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by rusticpenn on Friday September 27, 2019 @07:41AM (#21090759)
The cannibal octopi groups would have died out while the suicidal ones lived.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by foobarian on Friday September 27, 2019 @09:00AM (#21091408)
> It makes you wonder if that gland was artificially engineered into them.

There is a comment below by biztos imagining that if octopi lived longer, they would be the apex species that was failing to fight the climate change - in place of humans.

Made me think that maybe they were at one point, and then the octopus civilization itself decided to "solve the problem" by engineering a shorter time-to-live into their species and preventing intelligent behavior :)

Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by OGWhales on Sunday September 29, 2019 @03:05PM (#21108995)
I believe octopuses is preferred over octopi
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by Terr_ on Thursday September 26, 2019 @07:37PM (#21086829)
In regards to sci-fi, it sounds like the inverse of A Mote In God's Eye. Where [Spoiler Alert] the alien "Moties" had a biology that killed them if they went too long without mating.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by zzzzzzzza on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:45PM (#21087347)
there's also a short story "love is the plan, the plan is death" that deals with similar themes (from an alien perspective)
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by satvikpendem on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:49AM (#21089789)
Isn't that basically natural selection?
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by 6gvONxR4sf7o on Friday September 27, 2019 @12:51AM (#21088559)
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by f2f on Friday September 27, 2019 @01:00AM (#21088593)
you're going to love Peter Watts' "The Things":

http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/

it's 1982's "the thing", from the perspective of the, well, thing :)

Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by rob74 on Friday September 27, 2019 @06:49AM (#21090448)
Wow, this is really an interesting read! Now I want Star Trek told from the perspective of the Borg :D
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by f2f on Friday September 27, 2019 @07:06PM (#21097081)
wouldn't that be fun?
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by jacobush on Friday September 27, 2019 @02:24AM (#21089020)
It's great! I still want it to die, though. :) Have no sympathy for it. (But empathy, sure.)
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by TheGallopedHigh on Thursday September 26, 2019 @07:19PM (#21086708)
If it was engineered such that humans win out over octopuses, why not, just not include octopuses directly? Then again this wouldn’t Mae a good sci-fi novel...
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by JumpCrisscross on Friday September 27, 2019 @12:17AM (#21088360)
> If it was engineered such that humans win out over octopuses, why not, just not include octopuses directly?

The original limits were symmetrical. They just haven't yet noticed humans started living long enough to develop into a technological species.

Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by Scapeghost on Thursday September 26, 2019 @08:37PM (#21087297)
Because genocide would cause corresponding repercussions, of course. :)

If you eliminate a radial intelligence somewhere they eliminate an axial intelligence somewhere. Roundabout hindering them is clearly allowed.

It may even have been a compensation for the seemingly barren corner of the galaxy we're in.

Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by dfischer on Thursday September 26, 2019 @11:50PM (#21088248)
I think this is a plot in one of the new Star Trek discovery episodes in season 2. "The Sound of Thunder" if I believe.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by harel on Friday September 27, 2019 @06:00AM (#21090144)
If that became a book or a film, I'll "consume" it.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by benplumley on Friday September 27, 2019 @10:43AM (#21092518)
Not exactly the format you're looking for, but that premise is exactly the story behind Alkaloid's excellent (imo) "Rise of the Cephalopods": https://alkaloidsom.bandcamp.com/track/rise-of-the-cephalopo...
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by harel on Friday September 27, 2019 @12:59PM (#21093939)
Just as good! I used to listen to a lot of death metal as well as stuff like the Cardiacs and other 80s alt music. This feels like a combo of both.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by justinator on Friday September 27, 2019 @12:29AM (#21088434)
> But their potential is cut short by their incredibly short lives (like 5? years at the higher end)

Like, even for giant octopus? How do they get so large, in such a short amount of time?

Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by Scapeghost on Friday September 27, 2019 @01:50AM (#21088840)
Google's info box for giant octopus confirms right away that, yes, they too live for 3-5 years.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by dragonwriter on Friday September 27, 2019 @02:28AM (#21089032)
> Like, even for giant octopus? How do they get so large, in such a short amount of time?

Usual adult giant octopuses are similar (in weight) to 3 year old humans, so it's not really surprising they get that big over a 3-5 year lifespan.

Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by Aenyn on Friday September 27, 2019 @04:24AM (#21089658)
Giant squids are several times the weight of an adult human and also get that big over only a handful of years.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by justinator on Friday September 27, 2019 @01:56PM (#21094489)
And I'm guessing they start up a bit smaller too.
Re:The Octopus: An Alien Among Us by Kaiyou on Friday September 27, 2019 @05:20AM (#21089944)
There's actually a TV series which has the premise that humans fight octopuses. In space. It's called Gargantia.