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Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by abdullahkhalids on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:15PM (#20129107)
What's confusing? Shipping a book from a warehouse is cheaper and maintaining a website is cheaper than setting up and selling from a physical store. If I order a book online, I don't want to subsidize the walk in customers.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by midnightclubbed on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:25PM (#20129193)
What makes it confusing is that you can check local store inventory online, order online at the online price and pickup in an hour from the store. However if you grab the book yourself from the physical store and save them a step, they absolutely won’t honor the online price. You have to order online and wait an hour while they take the book off the shelf for you. Or you get exasperated with the ridiculousness of the whole thing and buy from amazon leaving b&n with no sale.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by dragonwriter on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:20PM (#20129487)
> However if you grab the book yourself from the physical store and save them a step

The average customer gettibg the book themselves rather than ordering it and picking up at the counter is imposing more cost (and that's even more true of the average in-store customer, who probably hasn't searched online for a particular title and checked inventory and then decided not to do online purchase and pickup; by doing that you are making yourself indistinguishable, from a pricing policy perspective, from a much more expensive to serve class of customer.)

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by gknoy on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:38PM (#20129269)
I feel like the response then is to get the manager and do so in front of them.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by slig on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:38PM (#20129266)
If you pick it up directly from the store you pay for the convenience of having the item right now.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by autoexec on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:00PM (#20129400)
They should at least be price matching their own website.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by pkaye on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:38PM (#20129271)
They don't want to make to convenient for you to get the online price at the store. They want to force your to the extra step of ordering and waiting.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by clarityPhone on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:22PM (#20129163)
I can’t think of any other retailer that does this. Best Buy, Walmart, Famous Footwear, Bed Bath and Beyond, etc. all honor the same prices in person as they do online.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by mmanfrin on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:31PM (#20129231)
Best Buy got in to legal trouble because they'd point 'bestbuy.com' from within the store to a different online store with prices that matched the in-store prices (i.e. higher prices).
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by crazygringo on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:28PM (#20129212)
No, not all of them.

Over the past few years, products at my local Best Buy are regularly 20-40% more than on their site. (Unless you order through the site for local pickup... then you can get the online price.)

Walgreens is the same. Might be $12 online but $18 in my local store.

Barnes and Noble is pretty par for the course in this.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by sokoloff on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:57PM (#20129389)
My experience is that BestBuy will price match bestbuy.com, Newegg and Amazon. Their price match policy says they match: Amazon.com, Crutchfield.com, Dell.com, HP.com, Newegg.com, and TigerDirect.com, but I’ve gotten them to match online.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by fencepost on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:43PM (#20129302)
My experience with the office supply places and Target is that they'll happily match their online price, but the in store price is generally higher on items that aren't specifically on sale - sometimes dramatically so. Not sure about Best Buy, but they'll match a bunch of other online retailers so I'm more likely doing that anyway.

I'm surprised by the experience related here - I'd absolutely expect the store to price match online when asked about it even though I believe they were separate divisions.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by TheAceOfHearts on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:38PM (#20129562)
Target does this. The price of certain online items sometimes varies in store, but they at least inform you of it on their website.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by ben1040 on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:51PM (#20129611)
The Target mobile app is more opaque about this.

If you have accepted location permissions for the Target app, the app will show the in-store price when it can tell you're in a store.

The only way of knowing this is that in smaller/lighter print under the price, it'll either say "Online" or whatever store location.

The most egregious example was an item I bought that cost 40% more in-store versus online, and you'd never know had you looked at the app.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by clairity on Saturday June 08, 2019 @12:36AM (#20130674)
i also noticed the app matching the in-store price based on location. and yup, store employees will match online prices without question, but only if you ask.

i don't shop there much anymore, but i've done bopus (buy online, pick up in store) before to get the online price directly.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by Marsymars on Friday June 07, 2019 @10:42PM (#20130306)
On top of the stores others have mentioned, Costco seems to have randomly different prices between their physical stores and their online store. (With the physical store more frequently being the cheaper price.)
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by kpozin on Friday June 07, 2019 @11:16PM (#20130407)
They strongly imply that the difference is the shipping being included in the online price. In-store displays often say "May be available on costco.com at a shipped price."
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by dymk on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:21PM (#20129153)
And still, nearly all retailers have adopted a price-matching policy that matches not just their own website, but competitors as well.

There's really not a good reason for their in-store price to be higher than their online price in 2019.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by fencepost on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:47PM (#20129323)
There's really not a good reason for their in-store price to be higher than their online price in 2019.

Think of the price match as a coupon that you have/know about but others don't. The store is content to sell you the item at a discount (they likely still make money and they keep you coming to them) but they'd still prefer to sell to you at the higher price.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by zzleeper on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:27PM (#20129205)
Not sure if you are aware, but matching competitor prices is actually anti-consumer. It's counterintuitive but it means that your competitors won't lower the price on the first place. Kinda like implicit price fixing.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by dymk on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:32PM (#20129235)
It's actually not - if a competitor thinks it can sell more widgets at a lower price and make it up in the increase volume, they will lower the price. If that's the price which maximizes revenue for them, they'll leave it. It's straight forward supply and demand.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by sokoloff on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:00PM (#20129402)
I agree it’s anti-consumer in some significant ways. I think of it as not competing as vigorously as you could on price, by publicizing that for the consumers who are willing to do extra work, that you’ll eventually honor the best price they found at a qualifying competitor, but that you’re not going to be the one who initiates the first salvo in the price war.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by ALittleLight on Friday June 07, 2019 @08:49PM (#20129871)
It's competing as much as you need to to make the sale, not competing as much as you can.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by kortilla on Saturday June 08, 2019 @05:54AM (#20131587)
You’re gonna have a bad time in business if you think the objective is to lower the price as much as possible without regard for what the market is paying.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by sokoloff on Saturday June 08, 2019 @08:38AM (#20132074)
Indeed if I thought that, which I see no evidence to suggest that I do.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by bo1024 on Saturday June 08, 2019 @07:37AM (#20131863)
I don't think this argument refutes the previous point (which I found surprising, but I think is a good one). Normally, if a competitor lowers prices to undercut me, they will sell more widgets because people will switch to them. But with price matching, they know they won't sell more widgets (because people won't switch), so they keep their price high, which enables me to do so as well.

This is of course a very stylized/idealized argument, but I think it's a good point to consider.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by vvanders on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:17PM (#20129125)
It's deceptive, if you're going to advertise a price make it clear that the price is online only.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by abdullahkhalids on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:26PM (#20129197)
That I absolutely agree with. They should do that.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by nraynaud on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:17PM (#20129120)
the value of the book doesn't change depending on its distribution channel
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by jpollock on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:28PM (#20129210)
Of course the value of a book changes based on the distribution channel.

Immediacy has value, so if you need something _now_ you will be willing to pay for that.

Also, you have to pay in time and money to go to the store, so you _may_ be willing to pay more to have the book delivered.

In both situations, the way the book gets to you changes the price you're willing to pay.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by autoexec on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:01PM (#20129406)
The value of "shipping fees" changes depending on speed, but those are always separate from the cost of the actual item being purchased.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by abdullahkhalids on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:30PM (#20129218)
Absolutely does. The experience of going to a bookstore, browsing through the shelves, perhaps reading a few pages while sitting on a comfortable couches, perhaps talking to a knowledgeable salesperson about books (or life or anything), definitely has value. And I believe that value is greater than the convenience of ordering books online and then having to wait a 1-14 days for the book to deliver.
Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by Mediterraneo10 on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:39PM (#20129275)
> perhaps talking to a knowledgeable salesperson about books

You aren’t likely to talk to a knowledgeable salesperson at a chain bookseller, as generally they are not big book fans. They just needed a job, and these chains will hire just about anyone who can competently work their POS systems.

I can understand certain independent bookshops having great additional value to customers because their proprietors and the other clerks were voracious readers. However, for Borders/Barnes & Noble/Waldenbooks, and various other US chains, their staff has been generally unable to talk in any depth on books since at least the 1990s when I first visited them.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by mindcrime on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:57PM (#20129384)
You aren’t likely to talk to a knowledgeable salesperson at a chain bookseller, as generally they are not big book fans. They just needed a job, and these chains will hire just about anyone who can competently work their POS systems.

As somebody who spends a ridiculous amount of time at my local Barnes & Noble store (I work from their cafe a lot, but also come here to buy books a lot), and who has gotten to know most of the staff here pretty well, I would say that this does not jibe with my (n=1) experience. It doesn't prove anything, but the people who work here (the New Hope Commons store, in Durham, NC) are quite often bibliophiles, and/or are very knowledgeable about books and/or quite a few other things. One of the baristas is a masters student in Data Science and always points out to me if some new techie book has shown up on the shelves that he thinks I might be interested in. Several of the employees are also authors in their own right, and I just finished one of their books which was, if not exactly great, definitely at least worth reading. Another lady ran one of the first ISP's somewhere in the midwest back in the day, and knows all sorts of interesting stuff. Amazingly she didn't know about the show Halt & Catch Fire until I mentioned it to her the other day.

Anyway, I digress... the point is just that at this one store, at least, there is a staff of people who are quite knowledgeable/interesting and make it worth coming in, in order to interact with them.

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by fencepost on Friday June 07, 2019 @07:08PM (#20129436)
Barnes & Noble actually used to have pretty knowledgeable and devoted booksellers at least in some areas and despite pretty crappy pay. Those were the people who just love books and they were willing to take the low pay for a job in an industry that they were attached to. From a business standpoint though that meant that you had people who would stay at the store for much longer than is common in a lot of retail settings.

That really changed after a disappointing 2017 holiday season when they laid off close to 2000 mostly long term employees in February 2018. They basically dumped a lot of long-term employees and hired much less experienced basic retail workers if they hired anyone at all. There was actually a fair amount of angst about it at the time particularly among bibliophiles.

A trenchant but insightful review of events from the time: https://audreyii-fic.tumblr.com/post/170886347853/the-entire...

Re:Barnes & Noble Set To Be Sold To Elliott Management For A... by dahfizz on Friday June 07, 2019 @06:57PM (#20129385)
Then why does every online store allow you to pay more for faster shipping?