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Re:GitHub Sponsors by yreg on Thursday May 23, 2019 @04:50AM (#19989758)
For now, it seems that the Microsoft acquisition has gone well, right?
Re:GitHub Sponsors by diggan on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:12AM (#19989896)
I disagree. Before the acquisition, the work on GitHub was to make GitHub sustainable in it's own right.

Now, with Microsoft owning it, they have given up on that idea since Microsoft mainly get their profits elsewhere.

Instead, GitHub have now become a loss-leader for Microsoft, where every feature is meant to either lock in open developers in a closed source platform, or attract more open source developers to use their platform.

I did like the way of old GitHub more, even though they were slower at releasing stuff.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by mythz on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:18AM (#19989938)
So your argument is that because GitHub no longer has a profit motive and they're now releasing features at a much faster pace, that the acquisition has somehow gone bad?
Re:GitHub Sponsors by bennofs on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:23AM (#19989978)
The Argument is that it's bad for the market, as it makes it hard for competitors which aren't part of such a large company and hence need to make profit.
Re:GitHub Sponsors by SmellyGeekBoy on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:27AM (#19989996)
Isn't this also an argument against every VC-funded startup in existence?
Re:GitHub Sponsors by mythz on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:39AM (#19990067)
And basically every free product released by large companies which prioritizes mass distribution and user base over direct product cost. It definitely makes it much harder for the few remaining competitors but also benefits the far greater number of users.

They definitely have a competitive advantage where they're able to build and give away features for free to attract larger mind-share, but it's also the playbook of most large companies with freemium or gateway products. Not seeing why Microsoft needs to limit themselves to the same constraints as their less resourceful competitors.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by zapita on Thursday May 23, 2019 @06:18AM (#19990287)
> It definitely makes it much harder for the few remaining competitors but also benefits the far greater number of users.

It only benefits users in the short term. The consequences of monopoly catch up with all of us, eventually.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by zapita on Thursday May 23, 2019 @06:17AM (#19990281)
VC funding has nothing to do with it. It’s an argument against the business practice of leveraging monopoly in one market to subsidize selling at a loss in other markets to kill off competition before it can even emerge. That is what Microsoft appears to be doing with Github, and it is overall a bad thing for everyone except Microsoft. We will get less choice in the markets poisoned by Microsoft, and in the long run we will get less value for a higher cost.

By the way, this is not just about Microsoft. Google, Amazon, and to a lesser degree Apple and Facebook are equally guilty of this.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by madeofpalk on Thursday May 23, 2019 @06:09AM (#19990241)
Well, actually, yes.
Re:GitHub Sponsors by paulddraper on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:19AM (#19989942)
> Now, with Microsoft owning it, they have given up on that idea since Microsoft mainly get their profits elsewhere.

Is that really an issue?

How much did has Google's non-monetization of Chrome hurt the product vs helped it?

Re:GitHub Sponsors by diggan on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:33AM (#19990034)
Yes, it is an issue.

Why would Microsoft prioritize development and improvements of GitHub when they don't earn a profit from it?

When (in the future) Microsoft needs to earn more profits, they have to make a choice.

Either they improve GitHub and get more developers on board with X.

Or, they improve their Cloud Hosting service, which actually improve profits.

Since GitHub is basically just a cost (with the hopeful promise of future returns of developer mindshare) while Azure makes profit, it's much more likely Microsoft will focus on improving Azure before GitHub.

And as a GitHub user, that idea makes me worry.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by the_duke on Thursday May 23, 2019 @06:12AM (#19990255)
It's a bit more nuanced IMO.

I would bet on there being a intense internal competition between Github and the Azure dev tool stack right now.

All the new products Github is introducing are exactly designed to increase the value proposition for paying customers and bind/lure them to the platform instead of them going with AWS/Azure/Google dev tools.

This will increase revenue for Github, and is probably in part driven by internal pressure to make Github profitable.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by anticensor on Thursday May 23, 2019 @04:49PM (#19995760)
> Why would Microsoft prioritize development and improvements of GitHub when they don't earn a profit from it?

Because they also use it for their own works.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by paulddraper on Sunday May 26, 2019 @02:06PM (#20016394)
> when they don't earn a profit from it?

Developers, developers, developers.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by mikro2nd on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:40AM (#19990080)
The issue is not one of "monetization" vs. "non-monetization", but one of priorities being driven primarily by the interests of a corporate surveillance capitalist owner rather than what's healthy for the community.

Google's agendas (advertising, amp, etc.) are clear in the design decisions taken for Chrome, and slowly we're beginning to see analogous prioritisation come to GitHub. Expect more to come in time.

Re:GitHub Sponsors by romanovcode on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:00AM (#19989815)
Yes, free private repos alone was amazing and now this? With 2x matching (up to 5k) from MS themselves - this is amazing.

If only they would release something similar to GitLab Runner a.k.a. GitHub Runner it would be golden!

Re:GitHub Sponsors by Heliosmaster on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:10AM (#19989875)
Totally agree. Running your own gitlab runner is the feature of GitLab I would want the most on GitHub
Re:GitHub Sponsors by harrygeez on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:07AM (#19989859)
don't toy with my feelings. If we get GitHub Runner GitLab will be toast
Re:GitHub Sponsors by rurban on Thursday May 23, 2019 @09:04AM (#19991299)
I think their commercial Github Enterprise product does this exactly.
Re:GitHub Sponsors by rymate1234 on Thursday May 23, 2019 @05:09AM (#19989871)
Don't they already have this with Azure Pipelines?