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Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by leggomylibro on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @10:33PM (#19568893)
This was a fascinating read, I hadn't heard about his thing with Pasternak or how they thought that the Soviets 'leaked' his novel; nowadays it seems sort of odd to see exporting culture as something furtive. Did regimes used to try to prevent their nation's literature from spreading, or am I misunderstanding something?

"We are absurdly accustomed to the miracle of a few written signs being able to contain immortal imagery, involutions of thought, new worlds with live people, speaking, weeping, laughing. We take it for granted so simply that in a sense, by the very act of brutish routine acceptance, we undo the work of ages, the history of gradual elaboration of poetical description and construction, from treeman to Browning, from the caveman to Keats. What if we awake one day, all of us, and find ourselves utterly unable to read? I wish you to gasp not only at what you read, but at the miracle of it's being readable."

- Pale Fire

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by pvg on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @11:21PM (#19569060)
Did regimes used to try to prevent their nation's literature

The regime did not allow literature it disapproved of and Dr. Zhivago was not a work they approved of. It was not published until someone contrived to smuggle it out.

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by leggomylibro on Thursday April 04, 2019 @11:21AM (#19573356)
Ah, that makes a lot more sense - thanks.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by pjc50 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:26AM (#19571326)
> Did regimes used to try to prevent their nation's literature from spreading, or am I misunderstanding something?

The Soviet Union had an extremely vigorous censorship regime. Even the UK did until the 1960s and the Lady Chatterly trial.

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by leephillips on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @10:13PM (#19568806)
“Nabokov set about perfecting a brand of English that had not existed before and has not been seen since.” A wonderful essay by a writer who understands what the Russian Revolution actually overthrew, unlike most Americans, who only know the Soviet version. Contains a reproduction of Nabokov’s U.S. immigrant ID card, with the word “without” entered in the space for nationality.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by tomcam on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:02AM (#19569468)
His was to me the most beautiful English prose of the last four centuries, by a generous margin. There was never any trace of foreignness in it. I literally cannot imagine learning another language that fully.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by maehwasu on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:34AM (#19569589)
Didn’t Nabokov have live-in English tutors from a young age?

The Russian aristocracy was extremely multilingual.

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by defen on Thursday April 04, 2019 @02:06AM (#19569712)
Yes. He had read a significant amount of English literature by age 15, including the complete works of Shakespeare.

http://wmjas.wikidot.com/nabokov-s-recommendations

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by tomcam on Thursday April 04, 2019 @03:16AM (#19569977)
But a fair number of people had similar upbringings without that kind of fluency. Plus, English was slightly passé to that cohort.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by erikbye on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:05AM (#19571146)
Nabokov wrote and read English before Russian.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by tomcam on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:10AM (#19572475)
Did not know that!
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by erikbye on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:17AM (#19571249)
You do realize his work was edited? Even aspiring writers seem to not understand how substantial changes a manuscript undergoes prior to publishing.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by cafard on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:29PM (#19574902)
That varies greatly by author, doesn't it? I know nothing about the publishing history of Nabokov's work--do you know that others edited it?

Certainly a lot of authors have extensively re-written their own work in galleys--if you poke around, you can see photographs of some of Proust's editing of his own work.

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by erikbye on Thursday April 04, 2019 @05:16PM (#19577203)
It varies, but in general, most novels undergo extensive edits, genius writer or not. E.g. Maxwell Perkins cut 60,000 words from Thomas Wolfe’s “Look Homeward, Angel.”

As for Nabokov, he had, like many other famous authors, a contentious relationship with editors.

> By “editor” I suppose you mean proofreader. Among these I have known limpid creatures of limitless tact and tenderness who would discuss with me a semicolon as if it were a point of honor—which, indeed, a point of art often is. But I have also come across a few pompous avuncular brutes who would attempt to “make suggestions” which I countered with a thunderous “stet!”

It seems his wife did a lot of editing:

> Nabokov wrote Lolita while travelling on butterfly-collection trips in the western United States that he undertook every summer. Véra acted as "secretary, typist, editor, proofreader, translator and bibliographer; his agent, business manager, legal counsel and chauffeur; his research assistant, teaching assistant and professorial understudy"; when Nabokov attempted to burn unfinished drafts of Lolita, Véra stopped him. He called her the best-humored woman he had ever known.”

What work was further done at the various publishing houses I don’t know, but the first edition, published by Olympia, was “riddled with typos,” which would indicate little additional editing was done for this edition. The typos were corrected for the American publication.

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by tomcam on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:12AM (#19572507)
Fantastic point. I’ve been hired to do some serious editing myself but that never crossed my mind. Which means I now need to see if they’ve published any early manuscripts...
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:16AM (#19569514)
It would happen automatically if you were young enough.

Interestingly, while Nabokov learned to write perfect English, he never was able to speak it.

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by tomcam on Thursday April 04, 2019 @03:17AM (#19569978)
> while Nabokov learned to write perfect English, he never was able to speak it

Lots of interviews on YouTube suggest otherwise... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldpj_5JNFoA

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 04, 2019 @04:11AM (#19570194)
http://www.openculture.com/2012/12/vladimir_nabokov_about_li...

> To avoid speaking like a child in public, Nabokov took great pains to prepare his every word. "Throughout my academic ascent in America from lean lecturer to Full Professor, I have never delivered to my audience one scrap of information not prepared in typescript beforehand and not held under my eyes on the bright-lit lectern."

> When it came to giving interviews, Nabokov was horrified by the notion of sitting back and having a casual chat with a reporter. "It has been tried at least twice in the old days," he writes, "and once a recording machine was present, and when the tape was rerun and I had finished laughing, I knew that never in my life would I repeat that sort of performance. Nowadays I take every precaution to ensure a dignified beat of the mandarin's fan. The interviewer's questions have to be sent to me in writing, answered by me in writing, and reproduced verbatim. Such are the three absolute conditions."

> So the excerpt above from a 1969 interview with the British journalist James Mossman should be understood as a carefully prepared performance.

Note how in the interview you posted, he frequently gets stuck on his prepared lines, resulting in sequences like or-or-or-or-or-or or the-the-the-the-the. (Yes, disfluencies are common in all speakers. But those disfluencies are not typical of English speakers, and reflect a different problem.)

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by tomcam on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:14AM (#19572529)
Neat! I hear it now! Thank you. I picked up the hesitancies but wasn’t smart enough to pick up the cause.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by dang on Thursday April 04, 2019 @03:24AM (#19570016)
I was about to post that link too. Here's a relatively dramatic segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldpj_5JNFoA#t=2m56s. Notice the famous index cards.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by thaumasiotes on Thursday April 04, 2019 @04:20AM (#19570228)
> Notice the famous index cards.

If you already knew that Nabokov's interviews consisted entirely of remarks prepared in advance... why would you post that as a counterexample to "he wasn't able to speak perfect English"? That's the whole reason he prepared his responses.

Choirs frequently perform songs in foreign languages; nobody takes that as evidence that the members are able to speak those languages.

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by dang on Thursday April 04, 2019 @04:28AM (#19570254)
Nabokov was a Cornell professor for years. He didn't get that job without being able to speak English. In the video it's clear that he says things that weren't on the cards. The reason for the cards was not that he couldn't speak, but because he couldn't write on the fly. And who could, at Nabokov's level?

The reason Nabokov wouldn't speak in public without index cards was not ignorance but perfectionism. Index cards were his instrument—don't forget that he wrote his novels on those cards as well. For Nabokov, speaking in public without his index cards would be like not being properly dressed, or maybe dressed at all. Plenty of writers have that anxiety, including ones who never leave their native language.

You're still right, though. Nabokov's spoken English was nothing compared to his writing, and his genius would have made him painfully aware of that. The OP contains a partial version of this famous quote: "My private tragedy, which cannot, and indeed should not, be anybody's concern, is that I had to abandon my natural idiom, my untrammeled, rich, and infinitely docile Russian tongue for a second-rate brand of English..." The key word there is tragedy. To him his English was second-rate, and he would know.

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by tomcam on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:17AM (#19572561)
> Index cards were his instrument

That frames it elegantly, thanks.

Holy shit, that was dang

Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by mr_overalls on Thursday April 04, 2019 @10:05AM (#19572406)
I know this is off-topic, but I'm so weirded out by the smoking on television during the 1950's. It's like watching someone eating a bag of chips during an interview. Just. . . tacky and gross.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by copperx on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:42AM (#19569618)
He was never able to speak it well? Or at all?
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by chicob on Thursday April 04, 2019 @01:48AM (#19569634)
What about Conrad?
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by bshimmin on Thursday April 04, 2019 @05:19AM (#19570443)
Conrad is another great example (maybe the only other example!), but I think perhaps part of the unusual beauty of his writing is that he does (involuntarily, I guess) occasionally employ irregular constructions because of the Polish and French he learnt before English. Wikipedia has a slightly waffly commentary about this which doesn't really give any good examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Conrad#Language
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by GrryDucape on Thursday April 04, 2019 @02:57AM (#19569902)
Sometimes one wonders why the Times wanders so far afield, picking up where the New Yorker and others once thrived. Other times, like this one, the cause is clear, pure and joyous, a stab in the literary darkness of our times.
Re:Vladimir Nabokov, Literary Refugee by matt4077 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @04:06AM (#19570179)
The New Yorker is still quite thriving, and is publishing stories that would also work for the Times (cf Ronan Farrow’s #metoo scoops). The Atlantic has massively improved and now close to their level (cf Graeme Woods), albeit with less of a focus on literature.

It feels like these publishers are somewhat converging, doing a rather good job connecting (paying) excellent writers with the high end of readership, with not too much deference to the material being a perfect fit for their respective wheelhouses.