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Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by ryanackley on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @04:15PM (#18925347)
Over the last two years I've bought a couple of properties and I see the value of realtors as professional negotiators and experts on real estate laws and contracts.

That being said, the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and their local branches are the definition of a cartel. My parents owned a real estate agency when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. Back then, the cost of selling and marketing real estate was much higher. Most real estate advertising was done in print which the broker paid for out of pocket. Cameras used film back then which meant multiple trips to the property to take nice pictures. Someone had to always be manning the telephone because there were no mobile phones. The listing broker would have to arrange a showing with interested buyers and their broker. MLS was a huge printed catalog you would flip through to look for houses your clients may be interested in.

Nowadays, the cost of listing a house is nominal for a brokerage. Advertising is free because all of the real estate sites that consumers visit (realtor.com, zillow) pull directly from MLS. All cameras are digital so you can take that perfect picture the first time. There are now phone apps that automate broker access to houses to show their clients.

There are all of these productivity improvements for real estate agents on both sides of the negotiating table but the commission structure is almost identical to what it was 30 years ago. I believe the standard commission structure has gone from 7% to 6% in thirty years.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by clairity on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:08PM (#18925956)
> "That being said, the National Association of Realtors (NAR) and their local branches are the definition of a cartel."

NAR was actually investigated by the federal government (FTC i think?), who concluded much the same, but lobbying buried the report and nothing came of it.

MLS's maintain power by strictly controlling access to information. they have the most up-to-date and the most detailed information about properties, buyers/sellers and sales transactions, among other things. this allows them to be the arbitors of deal flow, giving their members the advantage.

and this is the linchpin that props up the 6% commission rate. it's classic rent-seeking, since marketing costs have been dropping, as you mention. a truly competitive market would probably put the commission in the 1-2% range.

(i did my MBA thesis on disrupting the real estate industry)

edit: here's one, but i don't think it's the one i was thinking of: https://www.justice.gov/atr/competition-real-estate-brokerag...

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by StillBored on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:59PM (#18926406)
Part of the problem is that most realtors want it that way. I live in Austin, and the push for a few years now has been to have a "silent market" where a buyer picks a "full service" realtor (AKA full commission), and gets a week or so jump on properties being listed in the MLS. This gives them a better chance to get the property before the MLS hordes descend and start bidding it up.

The part I've never understood is, as a seller, why wouldn't I want my property to have the largest exposure and the most interested buyers. Presumably, having people getting into bidding wars for something i'm selling is a benefit.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by clairity on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:23PM (#18926608)
> "Part of the problem is that most realtors want it that way."

absolutely. the cartel doesn't help the top 2% of agents, because they're good enough to earn the 6% (or higher) anyway, but the monopoly works because the overwhelming majority of interested stakeholders benefit.

(that's not to imply that most agents are lazy though. a stat i dimly recall is that only about 10% of agents make enough to be full time.)

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by StillBored on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:37PM (#18926742)
Well its a pyramid scheme like many of the state licensed businesses. The low level agents have to work for a broker who soaks up the majority of the commission. Only after being an indentured slave for a few years do they get the "privilege" of themselves becoming a broker. The problem is that once that happens no one will hire you, so your on your own for finding clients/advertising/etc. That takes capital most low level agents haven't managed to accumulate working for someone else. So its likely they need a significant other/whatever to support them while they build the business while competing with the larger agencies that have the money to plaster signs down the freeway and run advertisements.

Given some luck/skill and a lot of hard work, maybe they become large enough to start hiring agents themselves, and the cycle repeats.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by sgc on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:50PM (#18927308)
Agents make at least 60% from day one. It is easy to find a brokerage who will offer 70-80% day one. So in that respect I don't think it is a pyramid scheme at all. Also, there are plenty of brokers who work in a larger organization without being the broker of record. But as you noted, advertising is not free. It is extremely expensive to market as a real estate agent, and that marketing cost is why most agents fail. It is just too expensive to start. In my area, I would allot at least 30,000 a year to get going as an agent for the first year, and more each year after that.

Source: On the fence about dropping my license right now.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by clairity on Thursday January 17, 2019 @05:58PM (#18935468)
yah, it's not a pyramid scheme so much as it exhibits power law characteristics (80-20 rule and such).
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by Stryder on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:59PM (#18926930)
Sounds like software engineering today.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by AYBABTME on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:24PM (#18927141)
Where most engineering interns are probably paid more than the median national household income? Where starting salaries are in the 6 digits?
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by richardknop on Thursday January 17, 2019 @09:00AM (#18930775)
I mean come on, sure 120-150k starting salary out of university is only a thing in SF, Seattle etc but even in other parts software engineers are paid well. 80-90k in some city in midwest where housing is super cheap is a great middle class salary.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by lgregg on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:58AM (#18928715)
Only in Tech Hubs like NYC or SV...
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by Latteland on Saturday January 19, 2019 @05:05PM (#18949486)
How much lower is the starting pay in Boise, or Kansas City or some non-tech hub? My startup company pays well over 100k for college hires with no experience. And other companies pay more. Yes, we are in one of the tech hubs (Seattle). If other companies don't pay nearly as much, why would people work there?). You might pay 20k a year for your cool apartment in walking distance to bars, shops etc, but you have a great lifestyle.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:20PM (#18927117)
One of the key functions of a broker is to provide plausible deniability, such as screening potential buyers who you think might waste your time or to avoid accusations of discrimination.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by dd36 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:00PM (#18927955)
Brokers have to present all offers.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by firebird84 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:23AM (#18930560)
They may have to present all offers, but they don't have to present them in the same light. When I've been presented offers they DEFINITELY tell me about the strength of the buyer, what kind of financing, and what the deal terms are signalling. This stuff definitely matters to me because I've had to hassle with cash-poor buyers before and it just isn't worth the time, even in a buyers market.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by dd36 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:00PM (#18936695)
The information about the strength of the buyer comes from their proof of funds or pre approval.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by paulie_a on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:51AM (#18932304)
Legally the broker is presenting an off utilizing an agent. An extension of them essentially.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by tim333 on Thursday January 17, 2019 @07:22AM (#18930195)
But at least they can waste the brokers time rather than yours.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by zaroth on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:07PM (#18926474)
Perhaps a pocket listing isn’t paying the Buyers Agent half of the fee, so saving 3% right there. Depending on the market that may be worth it versus going to the broad market and having to pay both sides of the commission.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by MertsA on Thursday January 17, 2019 @07:52AM (#18930375)
Pocket listings still pay both halves but are often discounted down to e.g. 5% instead of 6%. The agent tries to spin the situation as a discount to the buyer and seller as they "save" 1% on commission. One of the main justifications for why the agent "deserves" a 3% cut of the deal is that they are working to represent you and safeguard your interests. That can't happen when they're representing both sides. It's as perverse as a plaintiff and a defendant using the same lawyer to save 1% on legal fees.

In a given market area there are literally thousands of real estate agents. Even with a 1% discount off the top, what do you think the odds are that the best offer on the market just so happens to be a listing that your real estate agent just so happens to be the listing agent for?

Real estate is a racket.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by StillBored on Thursday January 17, 2019 @09:51AM (#18931128)
I get the impression the austin market is more formalized and is run more like a mini private MLS... (might be wrong), but part of the goal seems to be to keep out the discount realtors/redfin/etc.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by gnopgnip on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:19PM (#18927106)
Why would someone sell their home without listing it if they are still paying for a commission?
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by pointillistic on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:38PM (#18927820)
Zillow CEO argument falls on it's face. If this was such an important transaction, buyers would chose top dollar firms across the board, contractors, architects, masons, etc. Yet the fact all these survive the most competitive, bottom dollar market. Only realtors who carry no liability compared to the above, they still enjoy top dollar. This is a rigged market signal.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by spott on Saturday January 19, 2019 @02:22AM (#18945795)
>Only realtors who carry no liability compared to the above, they still enjoy top dollar. This is a rigged market signal.

Realtors are among the most sued profession out there... I'm not sure why you don't think they carry any liability.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by pointillistic on Sunday January 27, 2019 @07:05PM (#19014567)
An engineer or an architects is responsible for life safety, structure, etc. All carry a substantial liability insurance. What could be a pitfall for a realtor if there is above the board transaction?
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by guest2143 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:29PM (#18926676)
Nothing came of it? The whole Virtual Office Website (VOW) thing got created.. before meetings NAR and RESO intone legalese about encouraging competition. There's a lot of fear that the FTC will step back in and do something. With the level of MLS balkanization, innovation has a bunch of high hurdles.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by GabeRicard on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:05AM (#18930449)
VOW, and IDX also. The whole reason that sites like Zillow, Redfin, etc. exist is because of the (successful) lawsuit against NAR causing them to open up their data to third party companies.

I worked for a real estate company building an online real estate service since before the creation of VOW/IDX. Prior to that, the way we got access was through my boss's own real estate brokerage account with the state's main MLS. We expanded to support more MLS's in the area and each one was a huge pain in the ass. We had to have customers who were members of that MLS BEFORE they would give us access to their data. They would limit the data we had access to as much as they possibly could, and had absurd rules about what could/could not be displayed publicly, as well as privately when members of our customers' sites were logged in. It became much easier to get access to the data after the VOW/IDX implementations rolled out at each MLS.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by paulie_a on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:54AM (#18932327)
Oh god the horrors that are idx. I just had flashbacks of dealing with the various schemas from different MLSs
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by clairity on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:00PM (#18926939)
i mean, relative to what they could have done (sued for damages and broken up the monopoly), structurally nothing changed.

but if you promote free and fair markets, you'd discourage/dismantle this kind of protectionism.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by mobilefriendly on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:16PM (#18927084)
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by linsomniac on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:44PM (#18926263)
There's a reason that NAR has their logo on a nice building a few blocks down from the US Capitol (500 New Jersey Ave NW). :-)
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by JamesBarney on Thursday January 17, 2019 @03:10AM (#18929186)
> a truly competitive market would probably put the commission in the 1-2% range.

This depends a lot on the price of the house. Selling a million dollar home isn't 10 times more work than selling a $100,000 condo.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by a_imho on Thursday January 17, 2019 @03:20AM (#18929223)
And handling a money transaction is mostly orthogonal to the amount yet many (most?) are charged as base fee + percentages.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by JamesBarney on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:35PM (#18932700)
But that's not really a competitive market either.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by conanbatt on Thursday January 17, 2019 @11:49AM (#18932271)
Yes it is. Becuase the hard part is not selling it, its getting the listing. And you bet your ass that a the 10 million dollar home goes to the well dressed, swanky offices top ads agent, not your "aunt's best friend".
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by JamesBarney on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:34PM (#18932695)
You took my word "selling" replaced with "customer acquisition" then argued I was wrong.

You're right, that the majority of the work of a 10 million dollar house is customer acquisition. And this isn't true of a 100k condo.

But this was my point, 3% of a 100k home is close to the competitive market price. But 3% of a 10 million dollar home is pretty far away from the competitive market price.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by conanbatt on Thursday January 17, 2019 @02:38PM (#18933837)
I'll try to rephrase it:

100x the comission might have 100x the competition. As a seller of the house, you pay more but you also get better agents.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by JamesBarney on Thursday January 17, 2019 @02:50PM (#18933952)
You're not getting a 100x better agent, and most of the best i.e. most successful agents I've seen weren't necessarily better negotiators, better at contracts, or more responsive. They were specifically better @ marketing and selling themselves.

The most successful agents I know close houses twice as fast as other agents. But they close them twice as fast as other agents because they're listing them under market value.

My wife was a real estate agent for 5 years but she got out of it because all of the most successful agents she met were more successful in ways that hurt the client not helped them.

Examples - convincing their clients to settle for homes quickly, convincing clients to list their house less than market value, weeding out easy clients.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by conanbatt on Thursday January 17, 2019 @03:08PM (#18934113)
My wife is also in the real estate market: the reality is that people's incentives are not maximized on house value, they also care about other things , like safety, patient, attention, etc.

It is what it is. RE is not a perfect market because goods really cant be commoditized.

I reiterate my point with one more argument: the average income of a realtor is very low: they make very little money. The number of active realtors is almost perfectly correlated with house prices: that means a highly competitive , and thus relatively efficient, system.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by Artistry121 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:24PM (#18926100)
Looks like you've got a lot going on but I'd love to learn more about your thesis and thoughts on RE. I'm working on some projects in the area.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by clairity on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:00PM (#18926418)
i'm a bit rusty on the details, but happy to help how i can. we were looking at the auction model as a potentially viable alternative to the commission model predominant in the US. we found this stranglehold by NAR & it's MLS network to be a key barrier to entry.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by ams6110 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:31PM (#18926156)
Property transfers, including buyer, seller, and sales price, are public record. It's all published in the newspaper. How can MLS control access to that information? Is it just that nobody else bothers to compile it from the county records?
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by linsomniac on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:51PM (#18926321)
As others have mentioned, that is after the property has sold. If you are looking to buy a house, that information is not going to help you. However, even for sold information, depending on the county you are in, those public records aren't always accurate. I don't know how frequent that is, but I suggested using public records when we lost access to MLS data a few years ago, and a coworker said they had problems with that data from some counties in the past.

If you are buying a house, the MLS is the place you need to go. And that is mediated by a Realtor or Broker in most cases.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by benmanns on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:37PM (#18926202)
Those are completed transactions, not properties listed for sale.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by clairity on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:37PM (#18926204)
there's usually a 30-60 day delay on the public records. MLS gets that info in a day or two, if not hours, usually from the listing agent/brokerage iirc.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by iakh on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:16PM (#18927719)
Purchase price is not public in all states
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by vonmoltke on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:27PM (#18927769)
It isn't? What states don't put that information in the property tax records?
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by thomasjudge on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:51PM (#18928214)
Montana for another. There have been attempts to change that which have all failed in the face of industry lobbying and (more importantly) a Republican controlled legislature
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by pxeboot on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:18PM (#18928046)
In Texas I was able to lookup the original mortgage amount on a house, but not the actual purchase price.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by evancox100 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:14PM (#18928026)
Texas for one. No duty by either buyer or seller to report the sale price.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by bronson on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:36PM (#18926194)
That's not useful to someone looking to buy. Listing data is held exclusively by the MLS.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by walrus01 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:08PM (#18925957)
> Nowadays, the cost of listing a house is nominal for a brokerage. Advertising is free because all of the real estate sites that consumers visit (realtor.com, zillow) pull directly from MLS. All cameras are digital so you can take that perfect picture the first time. There are now phone apps that automate broker access to houses to show their clients.

There's a brokerage in Canada now called "1% Realty" which pretty much serves the purpose of getting your home onto the MLS, and doing some very basic sellers agent services. Its whole shtick is that its fee is literally one percent.

In my opinion that level of sellers-agent fee is much better aligned with the actual hours of effort, and operating costs on the part of the listing agent.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by jessaustin on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:02PM (#18926437)
Those who are persistent can always eventually find someone willing to sell their property for 3%. That isn't some online discount scam, that's a local realtor with local billboard ads, regular newspaper inserts, and a respectable web presence who is will to take half to do this job. Maybe you're in a hurry, maybe you like gold-plating, maybe you have to use your sister-in-law as a realtor, but if none of those circumstances apply then a 50% discount is well worth pursuing...

Of course it's because of all the efficiencies you mention. Their job is significantly easier than it used to be. They can afford to charge less; they just forgot to tell the general public about that.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by ryanackley on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:19PM (#18927113)
Maybe. One problem with listing a house for a 3% commission is the listing agent must put this in MLS. The buyer's agent's commission will be 1.5%. This could possibly put you at a disadvantage among buyers since you are competing with listings that offer a higher commission to a buyer's agent.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by freedomben on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @09:16PM (#18927718)
This is absolutely a problem. The buyers agent is a gatekeeper. They will not show your property if the commission is that low.

Source: I used to be a real estate agent. I left the industry because of BS economic incentives like that and others that incentivize you to not put your client's best interests ahead. That and the ripoff racket that is most brokerage licensing requirements and the arrangements enforced by law (that is heavily influenced by the NAR).

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by paulie_a on Thursday January 17, 2019 @01:01PM (#18932922)
20 percent of home sales are due to a sign in the front yard. Open houses are statistically a waste of time. Simply not worth the effort for the agent or seller. It usually is the nosey neighbors that come through.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by unclebucknasty on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:10PM (#18926502)
>commission structure is almost identical to what it was 30 years ago

Not to mention housing prices have greatly outpaced inflation and real wages over that same period.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by garagemc2 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:00PM (#18926942)
Wow, in the UK it is about 1 - 2%.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by lowercased on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:25PM (#18927155)
Came here to say the same thing. My wife is from UK, and she's ... well, pissed at the expenses here (besides healthcare). We are in the process of selling some land, and the default for land is 8%. WTF. You don't "show" it. You don't stage it, or model it, or deal with keys or codes or anything else. But there were no realtors we spoke to who wavered from 8%. I suppose we could possibly have done DIY, maybe... ? But... 8% for land is just insane. The justification was "oh, it takes longer to sell". Again - you're not doing anything beyond perhaps taking a phone call or email. Granted, there may be exceptional properties that are hundreds of acres, have to deal with wildlife issues or other zoning whatever, and might have a whole lot of headache. Not a 1acre homesite in a subdivision.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by ajr0 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:00PM (#18927957)
I recently sold a home through redfin and was able to negotiate down to 3% total (2 for buyer 1 for seller)

if you have the time have you attempted hosting/selling yourself? I know it sounds ridiculous at mentioning but I purchased my current home without any real estate agents, we did work through lawyers and there were fees there... but likely minimal (I paid under $1500) and I actually enjoyed working directly with lawyers rather than having real estate agents inbetween, this would be my prefered method if I were to sell/purchase again.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by Gibbon1 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:21PM (#18928069)
I'd just get to know your local title company and list it as for sale by owner on the various real-estate sites.

In the US the title company does _all_ the actual work in a sale. And takes _all_ the liability. Everyone else is a middle man.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by pxeboot on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:20PM (#18928065)
That much have been for relatively expensive land. I have seen 10% commissions for land under $50k
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by lowercased on Thursday January 17, 2019 @10:22AM (#18931392)
No (under $100k). Based in NC, and the 'standard' here seems to be 8% (couldn't find anyone under 8%).
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by lotsofpulp on Thursday January 17, 2019 @03:21AM (#18929226)
The justification is that you did end up paying 8% instead of doing it yourself, so it was worth 8%.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by HumanDrivenDev on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @08:04PM (#18927377)
If you think 8% is insane, then sell it yourself.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by gamechangr on Thursday January 17, 2019 @08:57AM (#18930764)
What would a commission pay in USD? Or 1-2% of what price?

I'm guessing it might be very similar in actual dollars, as there are a number of cities in the US where you can buy a house for $150,000. 3% would be $4,500 USD for a real estate commission. Then the broker would keep a good part. The agent might get $3,000 of it.

Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by aj24 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @04:30PM (#18925497)
Fee rebates have become really common as well in my experience.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by pixelpp on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @04:43PM (#18925663)
Yeah, what are you taking about?
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by no_broker on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @08:13PM (#18927420)
Go to a broker and say "I'll use you if you split half of your commission with me." Or seek out a company/brokerage in your area that explicitly offers "commission rebates."
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by mrfusion on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @04:40PM (#18925617)
How do you find that?
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by bronson on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @05:37PM (#18926201)
Just ask. Or use Redfin.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by anonymous5133 on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:09PM (#18927014)
What about services like redfin? They advertise their fee at only 2%.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by gnopgnip on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @07:23PM (#18927138)
Redfin advertises a fee as low as 1% in some markets as a listing agent, but this does not include the fees to the buyers agent so it is really more like 3.5-4%. And in markets where Redfin offers the 1% fee you could find full service brokerages that work for 4.5-5%.
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by sidlls on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @08:07PM (#18927387)
How does that work in states where commissions are technically required to be negotiated per contract?
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by walshemj on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @06:02PM (#18926436)
30 years ago in the UK 2 or 3% was the norm one has to ask why it was double
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by laurencerowe on Wednesday January 16, 2019 @10:48PM (#18928198)
Because interest rates were much higher back then (12% vs 0.5% now) so house prices were a lower multiple of wages. (Mortgage payments tend to be similar to rent, so higher rates mean lower prices.)
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by C1sc0cat on Thursday January 17, 2019 @04:26AM (#18929478)
What does that have to do with how much an estate agent/relator charges
Re:Zillow CEO: startups trying to disrupt real estate commis... by richardknop on Thursday January 17, 2019 @12:19PM (#18932568)
Real estate prices being lower wage multiple means the agent has to charge bigger percentage commission to make same amount of money.