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Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by lexicality on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:26AM (#18762904)
I'm confused as to what he invented. Here's an advert from a year before he even formed the company advertising the exact same product: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PpNLD3TrdE
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by RyanOD on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:50AM (#18763066)
A more appropriate title might be, "Selling a Stair Climbing Dolly..." as this is mostly a story about understanding how to get in front of your target audience and sell through the right channels (Facebook, Costco, Bed Bath & Beyond, Home Depot, Lowe's, and QVC).
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by samstave on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:15PM (#18763587)
Honest question; how large is QVC's reach and market and WHY is it whatever it is?

IMO, if you want to succeed with QVC, you should market a widget to the elderly/uneducated?

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by dole on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @03:33PM (#18764642)
IMHO, one major reason for the why: payment plans for most anything they sell. I can't think of another major (online) retailer that offers this, QVC has the infrastructure and risk all sussed out. Consumers can get moderately priced ($200-$500) goods in their hands quick for a fraction of the regular price and get them locked into a subscription-style model. QVC may have a much higher return rate than other retailers, but I assume they also have a higher rate of people who keep items they may not use or like and keep paying out of laziness.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by samstave on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @04:17PM (#18764996)
Huh. Based on the OP article -- it appears that QVC places all risk (returns) on the [consigner] (interestingly the conjunction of {contingency}+{Signor}) -- and as such it would seem this is where QVC's limited risk is found...

Basically the equivalent of todays "Gimme your content and I shall provide EXPOSURE via my instagram followers"

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by toomuchtodo on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:23PM (#18763642)
QVC Vendor Reference Guide (PDF) answers your questions.

https://vendorportal.qvc.com/documents/10184/0/QVC-Vendor+Qu...

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by astura on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @02:56PM (#18764381)
That PDF doesn't answer any of those questions.

The only thing I saw that sorta was related to the comment you were replying to was "Our customers are affluent, educated, digitally savvy — and loyal. Over 90% of our sales come from repeat customers" other than the 90% sales figure, that's just meaningless marketing fluff, no data/figures was given to back it up. The rest was just about the logistics of selling on QVC.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by fromthestart on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @02:57PM (#18764388)
Didn't see much of anything beyond a generic "educated, affluent" passing blurb regarding customers.

I was more surprised by how QVC requires vendors to pay thousands for QVC's own prep, like makeup and hair, among other things. Seems like a scam all around...except unfortunately the junk they vend seems to be selling.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by ghostbrainalpha on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:00PM (#18763140)
It's definitely a little of both.

But its nice to see how far a little engineering development and solid (but not genius) marketing can take somebody.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by rasz on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:02PM (#18763155)
It seems one of the ways to sell is to claim the invention, just like Apple https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/con-jobs-5-things-apple-didnt-...
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by malshe on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:50PM (#18763422)
This article is irrelevant because none of the claims there is made by Apple. It's what people believe. The closest claim is that Apple invented USB-C but again there is no official claim and all you have is John Gruber saying that he was told about it by someone who he won't name. In contrast, this product is literally what the manufacturer is claiming to have invented.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by cgy1 on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:44PM (#18763404)
I don't think Apple claimed that they invented any of those things listed. Seems like a bit of a strawman.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by mbell on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:58AM (#18763128)
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by lexicality on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:06PM (#18763180)
Ah I see. The patent is for the exact way this cart folds, and then Mr Reznik is just very good at advertising.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by jjeaff on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:02PM (#18763503)
I'm not even sure he's good at advertising. It's all very boilerplate style. Same type of promos you would see for countless other "as seen on TV" products. But he obviously has some hustle, grit, and maybe a bit of luck.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by sitkack on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:25AM (#18768038)
Innovation - "and not all innovations require an invention."

When I heard the phrase "stair climbing dolly" I immedietly thought of the three wheels on an axle design.

My first search found this from 2007, but 1906 is just as good.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/221786654_Climbing_...

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by dang on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:39PM (#18763751)
Since both the article title and the title submitted here ("Inventing a Stair Climbing Dolly Making $583K/Month") are baity, and possibly misleading as well, we changed the title above to something more neutral. This is in the site guidelines: "Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait"

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by CydeWeys on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @02:14PM (#18764049)
Does it matter? They designed, manufactured, and launched a product that sold profitably, doing millions in revenue. They're supporting multiple people full-time.

The vast, vast majority of startups aren't inventing anything new that didn't exist before, either. You don't need to come up with a novel invention to have a successful business; it's usually sufficient just to do something at lower cost, or do marketing better.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by jonny_eh on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @02:29PM (#18764160)
> Does it matter?

Lying matters. We're not talking about some kind of white lie to make someone feel better either. It's lying to make money, which we should all agree is bad.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by CydeWeys on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @07:11PM (#18766066)
What exactly are you accusing them of lying about though? I'm not seeing a lie. It does appear that they invented the first folding 6-wheel hand truck, and have the patents to prove it.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by raquo on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @08:13PM (#18766381)
> It does appear that they invented the first folding 6-wheel hand truck

They certainly make it appear that way, but it's a lie.

I've seen very similar dollies more than a decade ago, as did others in this thread. Their patents are either invalid or cover some minor aspect to make an impression that they invented the three wheeled stair-climbing mechanism.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by CydeWeys on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:36PM (#18767341)
Where are they claiming to have invented the three-wheel mechanism?

What they're claiming to have invented is a specific folding dolly that uses the 3-wheel mechanism.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by raquo on Thursday December 27, 2018 @12:43AM (#18767617)
Example from the article:

> The UpCart ® line of products solve this problem with a unique line of all-terrain folding carts and hand trucks that have been engineered to reduce effort while going up and down stairs and over irregular terrain

A casual reading of this sentence leaves the reader with the impression that their carts are unique because of how they reduce the effort of going up and down stairs and over irregular terrain. This is corroborated further by other messaging such as their logo.

However, that is a lie. There have been similar other carts with exact same wheel setup.

The only unique part of their product is the folding mechanism, and they are clearly trying to project that uniqueness onto the wheel mechanism. And it will definitely work on people who have never seen such wheel setup before.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by CydeWeys on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:06PM (#18771653)
I think you're really reaching here in describing this as a lie. Their products are unique. They designed them themselves and no one else is manufacturing and selling exactly the same thing. They even have a completely unique feature set (folding + triwheels), which is more than you can say for most products.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by raquo on Thursday December 27, 2018 @02:20PM (#18771773)
By that measure pretty much every product except the most generic crap is unique, but that word means more than just "slightly different".
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by CydeWeys on Monday December 31, 2018 @02:57PM (#18796586)
Yes, exactly, that's how the word is commonly used, especially in advertising/the marketplace.

Just because you'd prefer others be more stringent with it doesn't mean that everyone else is lying.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by raquo on Monday December 31, 2018 @03:06PM (#18796648)
Alternatively, sleazy marketing is in no position to define the meaning of words, even if that's most of marketing.

A cable package or car loan does not magically become a GREAT DEAL just because a billboard said so. We're just used to constant lies and aggrandizement in advertising, so all that bullshit looks normal, entirely expected now. It's still bullshit though.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by sinker on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @05:08PM (#18765344)
People here are are completely missing the picture and focusing on whether or not the invention is completely original.

The message is, whether or not it is original (looks to be a no), is how he and his partner managed to succeed in launching the product and earning millions in revenue.

I take it that most people here aren't developing, launching, and marketing their own products and creating a company out of it, and don't really care about learning anything from the article.

People in general, but especially anonymous people on the internet are more interested in calling fraud, and telling you why you have no right to success.

I see the same thing on /r/entrepreneurs, MMA forums, YouTube comments, and here. Doesn't matter how hard you worked or how successful you are, even if you're the top fighter in the world who trained for a decade taking hundreds of blows to the head - people will make sideways excuses for themselves by shitting on you.

Meanwhile reality asserts itself and this guy and his partner has made millions by themselves and have established their own independence.

And the takeaway from HN is "My grandma used this 3 decades ago," and "I don't like the text and phrasing on his website."

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by rasz on Thursday December 27, 2018 @01:32PM (#18771365)
Did they? I checked their YT channel and vast majority of videos have under 100 views. They might have shipped around $1 million in merchandise to retail channels, where it sits on shelves plastered with "as seen on TV" stickers.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by NeedMoreTea on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:50PM (#18763423)
They were fairly standard fare in office supply catalogues 20 years ago. Cheap ones, expensive ones, folding ones.

This is empty marketing not invention.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by d--b on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:08PM (#18763193)
These have existed for decades. My grandma had one of these in the 80s
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by mromanuk on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:10PM (#18763198)
yes, weird, those were pretty common in the 80s
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by samstave on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:19PM (#18763614)
I'm convinced the 80s was the best decade.

Mullets were OK

Mid-rift bearing shirts for MALES were OK (even in Net Fabric)

Computers were cool

Phreaking was 1337

Captain Crunch

Movies were fantastic (minus the pedos who were tormenting the great kid actors of the day)

Transformers

Space Lego

NES

etc...

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by evan_ on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:53PM (#18763878)
> Phreaking was 1337

> Captain Crunch

> Movies were fantastic (minus the pedos who were tormenting the great kid actors of the day)

You might want to read up on what Captain Crunch has been up to the last decade or so

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by samstave on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @04:14PM (#18764964)
well shoot. i shall do so.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by ChuckMcM on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:35PM (#18767334)
And here is a patent application from 2005 https://patents.google.com/patent/US20070075509A1/en?invento... for the item. Doesn't look like it ever issued however, if you look at related patents you will see there are people all over this space "idea wise". As a result its perhaps best to read his story as "Here is how to get an idea to go viral."

More often than not the idea itself isn't really what makes or breaks a company, it is the people executing that idea that gets it out in front of people.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:50PM (#18763846)
I've not seen another 3-wheel (well, 6) _fold-flat_ trolley. Perhaps that combination is novel, and maybe it needs invention to make the combination work (?).
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by xixixao on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:45AM (#18763030)
The information is two clicks away from you (one on UpCart in the article, and one on Learn More on their website):

> The UpCart Deluxe combines an all-terrain three-wheel chassis with a folding hand cart, with unique engineering that makes it easy to bring home the groceries or haul a cabinet up to your fifth floor apartment. UpCart improves stability, is capable of “walking” over irregular terrain and always folds flat for compact storage.

There are pictures too.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by corndoge on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:50AM (#18763067)
I don't see what it is you're trying to point out. It looks like functionally the same product to me. The only difference is that UpCart is collapsible - is that what you were getting at?
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by adventured on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:07PM (#18763185)
That difference will potentially get you a patent on the combination (not the wheels part). The YouTube clip and item referenced above is fixed (appears far more industrial as well), with no folding or contracting parts. One of the selling points of the Stair Climber supposedly is its ability to "fold completely flat for easy storage or transportation." It also appears a lot lighter, easier for someone to throw in the trunk and haul around. That's a big product difference in the market. One you sell for $300 for heavier industrial purposes (the YouTube cart looks like it could take a beating in a warehouse for a decade), the other you sell for $79.95 for household use or to small businesses with more modest needs.

Is it a radically new invention. No, it's an improvement or variation on an existing product.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by malshe on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:53PM (#18763445)
We were using non-collapsible stair-climber shopping carts in Singapore since at least 2011. It was about 30 USD.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:34PM (#18763326)
We know what he claimed to invent, but the point is that he didn't actually invent any of those mechanisms. They've been around for decades. At best this is incremental development on existing stairclimber trolleys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stairclimber
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by lexicality on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:57PM (#18763469)
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by Jyaif on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @11:34AM (#18762957)
I remember when I was a kid being quite proud of myself when I figured why there where 6 wheels on some shopping trolleys, so they've existed for at least 20 years.

At best they re-invented the thing, but they certainly did not invented it.

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by fransan on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:13PM (#18763215)
I remember those too when I was a kid back in Spain. :)

Ah! you can still buy them; here's one you can fold: https://www.google.com/search?q=carro+dela+compra+con+tres+r...:

Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @12:36PM (#18763347)
Not sure why this is getting downvoted; you're entirely correct. Wikipedia's "stairclimber" page was created in 2007. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stairclimber
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by early on Thursday December 27, 2018 @03:20AM (#18768254)
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by ivanhoe on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @02:44PM (#18764285)
not just that, my grandpa owned a grocery shopping bag/dolly with exactly the same 3 wheels idea, and it was like 30 years ago... they might have perfected an existing idea, but that idea is around for long time...
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by Yoric on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @04:34PM (#18765135)
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen this kind of products at least 10 years ago. I imagine there's a difference, but I don't quite see which one.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by alehul on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:11PM (#18763560)
So what you're telling me is... he literally reinvented the wheel.
Re:Making and Selling a Stair-Climbing Dolly by samstave on Wednesday December 26, 2018 @01:14PM (#18763575)
re-inventing is a bit high, lets just say it's a step up