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Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by bootlooped on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:39PM (#18572906)
My impression from reading stories about Google culture is that there is a very strong emphasis on launching products.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by flavor8 on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:21PM (#18573271)
What new consumer software products have come out in the last year from google?
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by GauntletWizard on Friday November 30, 2018 @10:40PM (#18574963)
Google is dead - A rotting corpse. The people who made masterpieces were already thinking about leaving when I joined in 2010, the people who were really solid (many geniuses) are leaving now in droves. The management aren't asleep at the wheel - They're pointing in, effectively, the right directions. They just don't understand why they're losing speed.

Google is unfortunately a really solidly built ship sitting on a ton of cash and a really valuable resource whose proceeds are currently going to the parasites clinging to it's shell. The thing that made them great - Search - is still solid, and is large enough and ahead enough that it can sit still, even go backwards, and people will continue to use them for many years to come. Their money faucet, ads, went from being unobtrusive and helpful to obnoxious and exploitative to cover for the lack of forward movement of the giant it stands upon.

All that said - Google still has some great people, a great mission, and amazing tech that's still years ahead of the rest of the world. It's stock will continue to go up with Wall Street. It just isn't the place it used to be - Though, like all nostalgia, I wonder if it ever was.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by umichguy on Saturday December 01, 2018 @12:39AM (#18575414)
"Google is unfortunately a really solidly built ship"

Why is this unfortunate? Isn't this a byproduct of their success they've had over the years? Sure, they haven't had many blowout successes in recent time, but still.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by GauntletWizard on Saturday December 01, 2018 @08:05PM (#18580103)
It's unfortunate because the people operating the ship and deriving profit from it aren't the ones who built it. Truth be told, I don't much like the people who work for Google now. There's still plenty of good people there, the median person is still a very good engineer and a nice person. It's the people who don't care and are looking for profit and promotion, and even the people who are just careless with the immense power and data that Google has, who scare me.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by yesforwhat on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:36AM (#18575566)
> It's stock will continue to go up with Wall Street. It just isn't the place it used to be - Though, like all nostalgia, I wonder if it ever was.

Well then who the hell cares, besides you?

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by jayd16 on Saturday December 01, 2018 @02:27AM (#18575741)
Ignoring general Android features, their pixel phones have a lot of unique software, especially around Photos.

They're showing off a lot of Assistant features. Duplex is launching soon.

They're pushing a lot of ChromeOS features by adding Android App support.

Did streaming TV on Youtube come out this year?

They have a beta of their game streaming service that came out a month or two ago.

That's off the top of my head. There's a ton of smaller apps they throw at the wall all the time too.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by beatgammit on Friday November 30, 2018 @09:05PM (#18574571)
I think the Gmail redesign (which is a huge resource hog) and Google Meet (hangouts video replacement) were released in the last year or so.

I'm not too hip on Google products, so there's probably more that I'm missing.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by kup0 on Monday December 03, 2018 @03:20PM (#18592517)
Yeah and it's still rolling out slowly (or maybe the old version was still cached). Have a family member with a low-power desktop that works fine for general web browsing, video watching, email checking, and it used to be fine.

New gmail (even with hover actions turned off) is an absolute performance mess. Even just scrolling down the list of emails is choppy.

Never had a problem until now. I have no idea what Google is doing, but whatever it is there's a good chance they'll keep screwing it up

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by stabbles on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:58PM (#18573513)
Google Duo would probably replace Hangouts
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by basilgohar on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:10PM (#18573598)
Google Due cannot be a replacement for Hangouts without a serious overhaul:

* Duo is linked via phones, not Google accounts * Duo is strictly peer-to-peer, not for groups * Duo is video/audio only, no chat/text

So, it could be a Duo-like replacement for Hangouts, maybe. But not a complete replacement. A merger of Allo + Duo (does anyone here know what Allo is?) could check some of these boxes. But one of the primary appeals of Duo is E2E encryption, and that is not in Google's interests in the long run.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by bootlooped on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:41PM (#18573834)
There could be value in Google having an E2E encrypted messaging service if for no other reason than taking users from their competitors and keeping them in the Google ecosystem.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by techntoke on Friday November 30, 2018 @08:04PM (#18574276)
Google has actually been making improvements to their Google Voice client again, and it is looking descent. I'm thinking the issue is they don't have a Slack/MatterMost/Zulip/Discord/Matrix type of chat client and that is what is in style now. Truly Hangouts is not setup for Teams using ChatOps, nor managing multiple channels for Enterprises.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by Marsymars on Friday November 30, 2018 @10:23PM (#18574902)
Though, to note, Google Voice is US-only.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by puzzle on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:07AM (#18575503)
There's a lot of non-coding work involved in launching in a given country. Years ago, not long after GrandCentral became GV, there was a project to launch in a second country, but the effort just stalled for a variety of reasons and got cancelled. It was going to work differently from the US one because it would have lived in other market realities altogether.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by toyg on Saturday December 01, 2018 @08:54AM (#18576767)
How long has Google Voice been around, more than a decade? Excuses are wearing very thin. Their failure to come to Europe is the whole reason Skype exists.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by puzzle on Saturday December 01, 2018 @11:28AM (#18577407)
I doubt it will ever come, especially to Europe. I don't think any international expansion was ever promised. I haven't worked at Google in years, so I don't know anything about current and future plans. It would be a stunning, but welcome surprise.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by flavor8 on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:34PM (#18573778)
That was launched in 2016. My question to the OP was about their product-launching abilities. They seem rather slow on the consumer software front, i.e. they don't seem to be launching new products (or even updating existing) at the same rate that they're retiring them.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by sanat on Friday November 30, 2018 @07:04PM (#18573969)
Like the article says Google Hangouts Chat will replace Hangouts. Chat even has hangouts classic backwards compatibility.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by SwellJoe on Friday November 30, 2018 @08:14PM (#18574321)
If it's backward compatible, why would they kill Hangouts, instead of just upgrading everyone automatically and calling it version 2? Google makes no damned sense. With all of the confusing product names, I can't figure out what they even want me, a regular Hangouts user, to do.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by jedmeyers on Friday November 30, 2018 @10:54PM (#18575024)
Chat can support Hangouts features but not vice versa.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by netsharc on Saturday December 01, 2018 @05:04AM (#18576130)
And Windows 10 can run programs written for Windows 7 and not vice versa... so as the above commenter said, why not just call it version 2 and upgrade everyone?

But yeah, I guesss Google's culture leads to a lot of dick waving competitions...

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by 0x54D5 on Friday November 30, 2018 @07:37PM (#18574141)
Google Chat is a horrible experience and I would advise anyone serious about communications at their company to seriously consider alternatives. I am currently forced to use it. I have documented multiple bugs in a blog post here and I have reported each one to Google multiple times without any fixes being made. We are a paying client for G Suites.

https://technex.us/2018/11/google_chat_is_the_worst_desktop_...

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by vikinghckr on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:51PM (#18573023)
That's not necessarily a bad thing for consumers if the replacement product is just as good or better than the previous one.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by Mindless2112 on Friday November 30, 2018 @04:59PM (#18573095)
Putting aside quality comparisons, consider that Skype is still "Skype". Even non-technical people know what Skype is, whereas no one knows for sure what Google's Skype competitor is going to be.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by snaky on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:10PM (#18573174)
> Skype is still "Skype"

In name only. Even non-technical people know what huge pile of crap "Skype" is nowadays.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by varjag on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:16PM (#18573227)
No, it's the same product with enormous care for user transition. Right now I sit in a Skype chatroom continuously running since 2007.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by ElCapitanMarkla on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:17PM (#18573643)
I have the opposite experience. I hated the new UI they came out with recently and apparently so did 90% of my contact list. I used to always have it running now I barely open it.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by varjag on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:37PM (#18573802)
The UI has changed more times than I care to count. Skype itself changed ownership 3 times, the underlying communication tech went from P2P to supernodes to Azure integration. At some point I ran its Linux client that hasn't been updated for 5 years. The damn thing never stopped working and the chat is still there.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by jjkmk on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:33PM (#18573768)
Funny you bring up skype, Microsoft is actually phasing it out (skype for business) and replacing it with MS Teams. https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-teams-now-ready-rep...
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by the_mitsuhiko on Friday November 30, 2018 @07:05PM (#18573981)
Skype for Business is not Skype but a rebranded Lync.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by happymellon on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:41AM (#18575584)
Not surprised. Lync is terrible.

Why does it keep archiving all the conversations? Sometimes I want to continue a conversation, but it really doesn't want you to.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by happymellon on Saturday December 01, 2018 @01:40AM (#18575577)
> Skype is still "Skype"

Except when it is Lync

Lync is an abomination that only exists to dilute the brand

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by yrro on Saturday December 01, 2018 @11:51AM (#18577533)
No you're thinking of Office Communicator!
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by imron on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:26PM (#18573306)
Zoom is the new skype
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by alasdair_ on Saturday December 01, 2018 @12:32AM (#18575382)
Zoom is buggy as shit. Example: all of the control buttons randomly disappear if you are running OSX Mojave.

Wait. You're right, I guess Zoom IS the new Skype...

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by willtim on Saturday December 01, 2018 @02:47AM (#18575799)
To be fair, most software is full of bugs, Mojave especially.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by nindalf on Saturday December 01, 2018 @05:44AM (#18576224)
I ignored the constant reminders to update until I saw that it had reached 10.14.1. I figured with the point release they've fixed all the issues and I seem to be right so far. No issues, and I love the Dark Mode.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by metildaa on Friday November 30, 2018 @07:17PM (#18574032)
Doesn't it require some weird browser extension rather than asking for camera/mic or screensharing permissions through the APIs offered in all modern browsers? Seemed like a kludge when my SO had to use it, like they took the idea of Jitsi and wrecked it.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by Izkata on Friday November 30, 2018 @09:22PM (#18574658)
I use their standalone program on Ubuntu at work; we're switching from hangouts/meet to zoom for a lot (though ad-hoc stuff will likely remain hangouts due to it only being one-click to start one up). It's pretty straightforward, I've almost never had issues.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by imron on Friday November 30, 2018 @11:12PM (#18575101)
I just use their desktop app.

The call quality of video and screen sharing is significantly better than Skype and hangouts.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by purple_ducks on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:24PM (#18573693)
Zoom is the new Webex
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by pers0n on Tuesday December 04, 2018 @01:04AM (#18596764)
Zoom requires like 64gb of ram to run properly when someone does screensharing
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by lozaning on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:05PM (#18573558)
I've never once "zoom'ed" a friend. Do you find yourself doing that frequently?
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by imron on Friday November 30, 2018 @11:16PM (#18575116)
No, but I don't use Skype for that either.

And though I don't use it with friends (FaceTime mostly fills that role) I work remotely and do use Zoom several times a week for video meetings and screen sharing.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by kerng on Saturday December 01, 2018 @06:25AM (#18576320)
Zoom is bad. It hangs frequently for me... it's so frustrating.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by walterbell on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:28PM (#18573726)
Wire is made by people who made the old Skype. Open-source and E2E encryption.
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by beatgammit on Friday November 30, 2018 @09:09PM (#18574590)
"If".

Most of their product releases are one step forward and one step back. For example, the new Gmail is a little nicer looking, but it's a huge resource hog compared to the previous one without any striking features (though there autocomplete thing is nice). Google Meet just seems to have a few fewer features than Hangouts, and I'm not really sure what it adds.

I honestly haven't seen a new product from them that is noticeably better than whatever it replaced for quite a while. Most things seem to be change for the sake of change.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by jfoutz on Friday November 30, 2018 @09:28PM (#18574688)
Inbox was a tragedy. It’s very effective at separating stuff I care about from stupid junk. Unfortunately it greatly reduced the time I spent looking at email. Fantastic for me, awful for ad impressions.

The new gmail is ok I guess. It’s not substantially different from Mac inbox for me to care. Either way I’ll spent some time scanning subject lines and senders. I might be an outlier though.

Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by avip on Friday November 30, 2018 @05:03PM (#18573131)
Replacing X with an "as good" Y is necessarily bad for consumers. It makes no sense to replace something that works. And hangouts works!
Re:Source: Google Hangouts for consumers will be shutting do... by scoot_718 on Friday November 30, 2018 @06:34PM (#18573775)
Thats silly. Consumers have to learn about the thing, learn how to use it. And those seeking to transition now don't have the google replacement.

I'm looking elsewhere.