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Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by arminiusreturns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:14PM (#18233337)
This is one of the reasons I refused to become a merc after the Corps. I knew guys that were getting payed 160k tax free for this type of stuff, but there was always something deep inside that told me it would not be worth it and that it conflicted with my dedication to the principles of the constitution. I'm glad I stayed away. Eventually the merc business was saturated and the pay dropped dramatically anyway.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Nasrudith on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:10PM (#18233741)
Aren't mercenaries also essentially encouraged to be war criminals by the Geneva Convention ironically? They are always unlawful combatants. They receive no protection from it and thus are encouraged to be brutal indirectly. While a seminal work the Geneva Convention had its own politicking embedded within like the bias against expanding rounds which are useful in a situationally tactical and ironically slightly humanitarian way by risking less overpenetration.

There are some good arguments against mercenaries incentive wise as being bad for peace. Ironically Military Industrial Complexes have even worse incentives - an amoral actor (out to maximize gain and indifferent to suffering not inflicting it gratuitously) might want to start a war but it should be one they would win and survive. A MIC with the same lack of morality would care only about generating demand and not victory as seen as early as Civil War profiteers who sold shoddy goods. On the other hand one advantage a MIC has is they are content with cold wars and stockpiling. The underlying problem war for profit is sadly ancient - before there was such a thing as a MIC many would fight openly for the sake of plunder and profit.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by DrJokepu on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:41PM (#18233927)
They’re not necessarily unlawful combatants, it really depends on the specific circumstances. The Geneva Conventions contain a few loopholes. For example, if the United States is a participating party in the conflict, US citizens are not unlawful combatants, even if they aren’t affiliated with the US armed forces.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by leetcrew on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @08:24PM (#18234492)
hollow points are banned by the hague conventions, not geneva, and notably the us did not actually sign that section.

it is sort of silly though. if i understand correctly, hollow points are not terribly useful in a typical military engagement because they are easily stopped by body armor. modern military rounds like 5.56 are designed to have a small cross-sectional area at impact to penetrate armor.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by nate_meurer on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:52AM (#18240232)
Sort of. The U.S. signed Article III, but not IV. III is the section that prohibits expanding bullets, and IV limits the prohibition to conflicts between signatories. So it's clear that the U.S. is bound by Hague, but it's also arguably clear that Hague doesn't apply to any conflict that the U.S. has been involved in in the past decade.

Terminal ballistics is the mother of all holy wars. There are undending arguments over caliber, weight, soft point vs. hollow point vs. JHP, etc. Expanding bullets pretty useless against body armor, but so are pistols in general, because AFAIK the U.S. military doesn't issue armor-piercing pistol ammunition. Besides, any sort of infantry engagement will rely on 5.56 rifles, and the standard M855/M855A1 ammo, while not strictly defined as "armor piercing", does contain a steel penetrator and is quite effective against body armor at close-ish ranges.

Nevertheless, the U.S. military very much believes in the usefulness of hollow points in urban/CQ environments, and in fact the Army is now issuing hollow point bullets for the M17 and M18 service pistols. Presumably this ammo would not be used in a conflict against uniformed soldiers from a fellow Hague signatory state.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jki275 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:35AM (#18238334)
Hollow points are not banned by any convention.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by michaelt on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:03AM (#18238517)
According to the Wikipedia article on expanding bullets [1], "Two typical designs [of expanding bullet] are the hollow-point bullet and the soft-point bullet. [...] The Hague Convention of 1899 [...] prohibits the use of expanding bullets in international warfare"

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Expanding_bullet&...

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jki275 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:16AM (#18238606)
Wikipedia is wrong on both counts.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by overkalix on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:46AM (#18238856)
Care to elaborate?

From the Hague Convention:

"The Contracting Parties agree to abstain from the use of bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core, or is pierced with incisions.

The present Declaration is only binding for the Contracting Powers in the case of a war between two or more of them.

It shall cease to be binding from the time when, in a war between the Contracting Parties, one of the belligerents is joined by a non-Contracting Power."

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jki275 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:48AM (#18238890)
That doesn't describe a hollow point.

It describes a completely different type of round.

That was written primarily to apply to what is often called a "dum dum" bullet.

5.56 (with certain exceptions for things like m855 or armor piercing) is designed to fragment, not expand, and some variants that might appear to be a "hollow point" are actually designed in that way to enhance ballistic performance (OTM).

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by nate_meurer on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @10:27AM (#18239384)
You're a bit confused on the terminology. "Dum dum" is a old colloquialism for an expanding bullet. Hollow points are a variety of expanding bullet, and the description from the Hague convention article III describes, and is intended to describe, expanding bullets. If it helps, you can look up some photos. For example, look up a photo of a Federal 115gr JHP bullet, one of the most widely used in law enforcement. That big hole in the front ain't for accuracy; it causes the bullet to expand like a mushroom after impact.

Interestingly, just last year the US Army approved the use of expanding bullets in M17 and M18 service pistols (both Sig P320). The issued ammo is Winchester XM1153, and yes, the Army (and everyone else) refers to this as a hollow point round.

EDIT: Also note that the Army disagrees with you; their justification for approving the use of hollow points is not that they're allowed under the Hague Convention, but that U.S. is not bound by it in many cases, such as warfare against irregular fighters, which describes pretty much all military conflicts for the last decade.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jki275 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:14AM (#18239861)
I specifically referred to 5.56 OTM, which is designed to operate exactly as I said, not 9mm hollow points, -- although I carried both 5.56 OTM and 9mmJHP in the mid-2000s in Afghanistan in the US military, so the Army's approval is not particularly relevant.

Also "dum dum"is a type of bullet (and I'm old enough to remember) that described a soft lead bullet that often did expand, not a hollow point. Hollow points were not in general use back then though they did exist.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by nate_meurer on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:49AM (#18240211)
I think I see the source of the confusion. The open-tip ammo you carried in Afghanistan (MK 262, or Black Hills 77gr for us civies) is not hollow point. Nobody calls it hollow point; not the Army, not SOCOM, not match shooters, nobody. So yes, I agree OTM is not covered by Hague Art. III.

But I seem to remember you saying that Hague Art. III doesn't cover HP ammo at all, which is incorrect. If you carried HP ammo in Afghanistan, it was allowed (strictly speaking) because Hague doesn't apply to conflict against irregular fighters. The U.S. military openly acknowledges that Hague prohibits HP ammo in regular warfare between signatories, and that information is everywhere you look if you follow any news or debates about military firearms. For example, the big news about the new M17 isn't the gun, but the fact that HP pistol ammo is now standard-issue, and how the Army addresses Hague Art. III in justifying the change [1].

1 - https://thenewsrep.com/73676/big-story-armys-modular-handgun...

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jki275 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @12:42PM (#18240849)
The US Military, in my experience, has never actually applied the Hague convention to hollow points. There may be plenty of legal articles, but practice has been different. I know for a fact socom has been using them since the 80s and maybe before.

Here's an actual legal analysis that explains the ridiculous footing the Hague convention "dumdum bullet" ban (because that's what it was) has: http://www.prep-blog.com/PDF/Hague-Hollow-Points-Berry.pdf

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by nate_meurer on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @01:49PM (#18241553)
I agree the whole thing is stupid. Every law enforcement officer in the country carries hollow point ammo. I think the military will keep nominally requiring ball ammo the next time we fight a conventional war, but not be too concerned if soldiers mix in some HP now and then. As you point out, not too different than what they already do.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by arminiusreturns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @08:21PM (#18234473)
Bring back letters of marque and writs of assistance?
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by danso on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:25PM (#18233834)
Just another anecdote: one of my best friends who managed to keep his liberal leanings while serving as a Marine sniper in Iraq, told me he found working for a contractor (forgot which one, but it wasn't Blackwater) for the State Department to have stricter rules of engagement than what he experienced during his tours of duty. The example he gave was a scenario in which he were to spot someone who appeared to be setting up an IED trap on a road. As a Marine, he'd be justified in shooting the suspected insurgent. But as a contractor, he was instructed to avoid conflict (and the ensuing controversy) unless he/the U.S. embassy were facing imminent danger -- so the preferred course of action would be to call in what he saw for someone else to deal with.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:19PM (#18234142)
Former contractor here: We were armed 24x7 and had VERY restrictive, defensive only ROE. I slept with a loaded VZ58 next to my bed for years. We drove around armed and wearing body armor whenever we left a compound or base.

Our supervisors, the organization which employed our company, and their senior management were exceedingly clear that we were only authorized to aim or discharge a weapon in self defense.

People reading articles like this may get the idea that the vast army of "contractors" which were shuffling around Iraq and Afghanistan in the 2003-2011 time frame were somehow in offensive roles. Even Blackwater had a fairly restrictive ROE. The actual number of contractors who were in any way proactively engaged in combat operations, usually embedded with an organization with the ANA or ANP, I would estimate at about 1% of the contractor population total.

The remaining 99% were confined to a strictly defensive ROE. Nobody wanted to piss away their $170k a year, nearly tax free job because they'd mistaken something that wasn't a threat, for an actual threat.

VBIED, BBIED and other threats to vehicles while driving around are not going to be solved by shooting at people anyways.

In the entire multi year time period that I spent in operational areas, not a single person from the company that I worked for ever discharged a weapon, for any reason, outside of the shooting range.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by godelmachine on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:45PM (#18234274)
May I ask what’s ROE?
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by afarrell on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:52PM (#18234315)
Rules of Engagement -- general orders about how to evaluate when it is acceptable to use violent force.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by narag on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @12:18AM (#18236101)
There was a movie with that title. I haven't watched it but it always comes to mind because "engagement" was translated to Spanish as "compromiso", as if you buy a ring to the enemy or try to reach a deal with them like "ok, shoot me but only from 9 to 5" :)
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by danso on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:51PM (#18234310)
Rules of engagement
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dogma1138 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:30PM (#18233865)
The ROE is stipulated in the contract if it’s not troop supplement or “combat advisory” the ROE will be very restrictive especially on the protection details contracts they are often not allowed to engage even at the clear signs of hostile action as long as it’s not targeted at them or US personnel.

As in they can witness a whole village being razed and wouldn’t be allowed to fire a single shot whilst a soldier would be compelled to engage and for the most part an order not to do so will likely be an illegal one.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by GreeniFi on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:05PM (#18233708)
I found this and your follow-up comments to be very interesting. I wonder if I could ask you to comment on the psychology of men who do this. Do they feel fear? Do they experience guilt or contrition? If so, how do they manage these feelings? I guess it’s neurological outliers who self-select for these jobs. Whilst I have met a few security contractors over the years, I’ve never had the courage to ask them about their motivations and inner experience. I also realize that hit squads like this are a world away from the more regular experience of arranging security patrols of oil installations, but it’s apecifically these more atypical people I wonder about.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by arminiusreturns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @08:13PM (#18234424)
Of course these types of people feel fear. Some more than others, some less. It depends on their training, and temperament, and the situation. Even in a combat unit it's highly likely at least one person is going to curl up into a ball and piss themselves while crying. Then there are the guys who run through a hail of bullets...

I think of it like Heraclitus; “Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”

In the modern context, what equals out those numbers is largely training and muscle memory, so that once your adrenaline kicks in and your brain isn't fully functioning, you still know what needs to be done and can do it almost on autopilot. That can turn more of the 80 into the 9, so to speak, which is what a modern military needs.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by GreeniFi on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:18PM (#18234772)
I love that Heraclitus quote and it’s interesting to hear how training turns “targets” into “fighters”.

However, I still wonder about the psychology of the mercenary asassin. Who are they, what stories do they tell themselves to justify their actions and does the 160k buy them peace of mind?

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by AcerbicZero on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:32PM (#18233873)
No one calls them mercenaries and 160k is on the low end for PSD work, let alone what is described in this article.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:21PM (#18234152)
160k is actually on the high end for PSD work now, with the contractor total staff numbers in Iraq/Afghanistan down to maybe 5-10% of what they were during the peak around 2007-2009. There are A LOT of guys out there who have 1, 2 or 3 years of experience doing something PSD related during the peak contractor-staff periods of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, who are back in the US doing very normal things right now.

The salaries they're paying for US Citizen guards at the US Embassy in Kabul are around $90k at present. There's a sufficient number of people who really need the money that they can recruit and fill positions at that figure.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by arminiusreturns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @08:15PM (#18234439)
Back when I got out in 07 that was about the going rate, give or take 40k and this is HN, I try not to use acronym bingo on audiences that might not know it. (and not all mercs are on PSD, a subset of the many different functions of a PMC)
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dingaling on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @03:37AM (#18236962)
> No one calls them mercenaries

The PMCs don't call themselves mercenaries. Everyone else does, though. And it's accurate:

’from Latin mercēnārius (“hired for money")’

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by PhasmaFelis on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @10:17PM (#18235478)
> No one calls them mercenaries

They are, though.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by lordnacho on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:49PM (#18233965)
> payed 160k tax free

Tax free or after tax? Aren't Americans taxed worldwide?

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by toomuchtodo on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:08PM (#18234068)
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by narag on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @12:26AM (#18236121)
Eventually the merc business was saturated and the pay dropped dramatically anyway.

I wonder what would happen if USA completely ends the operations that keep this people busy. How many of them are there? What are they supposed to do then? Office work?

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by vowelless on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @08:45PM (#18234590)
There is a lot more money than that involved. A marine acquaintance mentioned high six figures around 2004 or or so.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by opsroller on Thursday October 18, 2018 @03:00AM (#18246483)
You mean $760k I hope? At least that’s how much I see people making.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by supergirl on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:44PM (#18233938)
> it conflicted with my dedication to the principles of the constitution

I imagine being an assassin would conflict there a bit yeah

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by ttul on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:20PM (#18233378)
Hmm. SDE at Facebook for $250K, or life-risking merc in Yemen for $160K albeit tax free. Tough call.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by arminiusreturns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:26PM (#18233429)
Many of the guys getting that 160 would never be the type to be able to make 250 in SV. Being good at killing doesn't exactly translate well to the civilian world job market... though it is a specialized skillet that not just anybody can do. I'm lucky I had computers as a backup. Many combat vets aren't so lucky and it can make the transition to civilian life very hard.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by tomjakubowski on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:31PM (#18233485)
You might enjoy "Barry", an HBO black comedy series which touches on this topic. The protagonist is a discharged Marine turned civilian hitman who discovers a passion for acting. He encounters a few fellow "killer Marines" who have had issues transitioning to civilian life.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by arminiusreturns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:38PM (#18233524)
Already watched and loved it. Can't wait for season 2. What's funny? Before the Marine Corps I was in LA to be an actor, headshots and Dennys job and all... the irony of life eh? Now I have scars and am probably too ugly for it, but it's funny to imagine where life could have gone.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by ben_w on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:12PM (#18233750)
There are a lot of ugly actors out there, so no matter what scars you have, don’t let them get in the way of your passion. Heck, get famous and someone will ask for a body mod to look more like you.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by xtracto on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:43PM (#18233932)
> Now I have scars and am probably too ugly for it,

Have you seen Danny Trejo? Like.. he is not the prettiest guy, but I still LOVE him, love his acting and the movies he has been in.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by idontpost on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:46PM (#18249873)
Hey, if Mickey Rourke could have a career....
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by gimmeThaBeet on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:40PM (#18233535)
thank you for that synopsis, i saw just like, a poster for the show, but i had zero clue what it's about. that sounds fantastic.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by rustcharm on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:57PM (#18233650)
$160K tax free is more like $300K in California.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Retric on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:15PM (#18233762)
You are generally legally required to pay some tax on overseas income of that size. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/fore...
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:18PM (#18233783)
You are also generally legally required not to commit federal felonies.

Though tax enforcement is sometimes more vigorous than general criminal enforcement, so I guess the tax angle isn't completely irrelevant.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by garmaine on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:15PM (#18234751)
Combat zone exemption.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Retric on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:24PM (#18234827)
That’s the generally, it’s not a long list. https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/combat-zones
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by bitcoinmoney on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:46AM (#18237281)
Are you serious? That’s what you really take home as an SDE earning 300k??
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by samstave on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:34PM (#18233887)
Many of the top security staff at FB are ex SS and vets. They hire a lot of military.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Simon_says on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:31AM (#18236626)
What does FB mean?
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by na85 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:39AM (#18237780)
Facebook
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jacobush on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:18PM (#18234133)
Ex Schutzstaffel?
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dmckeon on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:57PM (#18234344)
Different SS, often styled as USSS: https://www.secretservice.gov/
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by godelmachine on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:47PM (#18234296)
Secret Service, presumably
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by samstave on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:53PM (#18234323)
Clearly. However, given the amount of time since WWII and the fact that the secret service is the only "SS" to be hiring out of in this time period, it's a waste of time being a stickler and pseudo-offended thinking one might be calling people literal Nazis...

Regardless of how unscrupulous FB may or may not be.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jetti on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:48AM (#18238416)
That is a very US-centric view though. The poster that mentioned it has an eu domain and given that this is a global site it isn't out of the realm of possibilities that they honestly did not know of the Secret Service.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by baud147258 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:38AM (#18240100)
I agree. I'm from Europe, I've heard about the Secret Service, but I didn't think about them when seeing SS.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by samstave on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @12:07PM (#18240423)
Im american, talking about american politics and american companies on an american website based in my home area of silicon valley... i dont think i should be required to think "i wonder how non americans will take this comment" especially given that my expectation of those on HN as being a bit more sophisticated than pedestrian, so im not going to prefilter in that regard.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:25PM (#18233420)
Note that the $160k is for people with a very different skill set, who might be ex-army rangers or marines, who could be making $30k managing a Waffle House somewhere in middle america otherwise.

In the case of US contractors (PAE, Fluor, Bechtel etc operating in Iraq, Afghanistan) there is also the tax factor, known to all overseas contractors. I am not precise on the dates and figures here, but something like the first $85k of gross income is completely untaxed, if they remain outside of the USA more than 325 days per year. And no state income taxes because they're not a resident of any state.

Something tells me that these guys have 100% of their payroll for whatever they were doing handled domestically within the UAE, and aren't declaring it to the IRS, however.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by bluedino on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:34PM (#18233504)
Or they could get a desk job or warehouse manager job with their security clearance in the US for like $90k.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:37PM (#18233517)
If their skill set is more on the pointy end of the stick, however, they may not qualify for that.

There's a lot of civilians going around the federal contracting job market who have a few years of experience working as a middle-management fobbit at LSA Anaconda in Iraq, or similar, who will get that job before another applicant who is an ex army ranger who did 5 rotations through Kapisa and Kunar provinces.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by bilbo0s on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:44PM (#18233566)
Not if it's a warm body desk job that requires a security clearance. A lot of those jobs are fairly up front about informing all the applicants that veterans will be given preference.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by afarrell on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:56PM (#18234340)
"fobbit" means refers to military personnel, so they would be beneficiaries of veteran preferences. How many of those jobs with veteran preference are yet more specific about giving preference to infantry or those who have directly been in combat?
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:59PM (#18234358)
In this case I was referring to administrative/logistical related contractor workers who rarely left base perimeters - who also qualified as fobbits.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dx87 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:19PM (#18233785)
Oh look, another "people in the military aren't capable of being succesful outside the military" HN comment. Even if someone was special forces, they could still get a job with law enforcement, any number of govt agencies, personal security, or just change careers to something else.

You should go read some more before you comment, because everything in your post from, prior-military career prospects to the way untaxed income works, is wrong.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:06PM (#18234059)
Sorry, but you're also misinformed - I spent literally years as a contractor in an active combat area, doing HN-specific things (networking, telecom, Internet infrastructure), I've worked with people from some of the largest US federal contractors in a number of roles. The facts at present are that the sheer number of private contractors that were in place in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2004-2011 or so are greatly diminished now.

For every one person that's currently been able to get a new contract under the LOGCAP contract doing stuff at KAF, in the year 2018, there's 19 unemployed people who used to be $160k contractors at KAF who are back in CONUS working ordinary civilian jobs at normal employee rates. Many of them in places where salaries are a lot lower than you would see in California, where you can buy a 3BD house for $130k, somewhere in middle america. Saying that people are working for $30k jobs at Waffle House may be a rhetorical flourish of exaggeration, but it's not very far off the mark if you look at the number of people who used to make $120-165k for Dyncorp who are now working for small town police or sheriffs departments in Kansas or Minnesota, as ordinary cops, for $40-50k.

The US presence in Iraq is presently about 3% to 5% of the size of what it used to be, both in active duty military personnel and number of US-citizen contractors. In Afghanistan, about 5-10% of what it was at its peak. This is why people who used to work for organizations like Dyncorp, ITT-Exelis, Blackwater, Triple Canopy, PAE and others are now going to work for even more shady contracting organizations based in Dubai (like Erik Prince's new company), and end up doing weird things in Yemen, ultimately under the command of the Saudi and UAE militaries.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dang on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:25PM (#18245680)
You've posted several comments that break the site guidelines lately. Could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here? Comments need to be civil and substantive, regardless of how misinformed someone is, or seems to be.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jorblumesea on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:25PM (#18233418)
How many ex-military folks can pass the FB phone screen, let alone whiteboard? (How many software engineers, for that matter?)

For the military, where officers are making even less than a SDE 1 at Microsoft, this is insane amounts of money. Equivalent to 3 years of salary for NCO or enlisted.

I hate the "why doesn't X just become a software engineer" attitude.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jonathankoren on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:57PM (#18233656)
Honestly, it's probably no different than anyone else controlling for skill set. They're just people.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by noobermin on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:23PM (#18233405)
Not everyone has the experience or requisite knowledge to take a developer job.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by bilbo0s on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:28PM (#18233452)
>Not everyone has the experience or requisite knowledge to take a developer job...

Or to become a contractor.

No one's gonna pay you 160k and trust you to operate in Yemen just because you play militia on the weekends with some overweight guys from your state and you won a marksmanship match once out at your local shooting range.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by noobermin on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:20PM (#18233791)
Don't disagree. I just don't know why they chose to compare the two.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by cortesoft on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:29PM (#18234880)
Right? “Hmm, hedge fund manager making $10 million a year, or developer making 250k? Tough call”
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Retra on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:34PM (#18234933)
Gee, if only everybody had that choice.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by atulmadhugiri on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:24PM (#18233415)
that's making a lot of assumptions
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by booleandilemma on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:21PM (#18233385)
Better dating prospects for the merc though.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by tdb7893 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:41PM (#18233547)
In all seriousness is dating as a software engineer difficult? I would've thought that with the money and consistent free time it wouldn't be that bad.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by munchbunny on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:06PM (#18233712)
It's not, or at least not directly because you're a software engineer. However, some areas where software engineers tend to congregate (I'm mostly talking about Silicon Valley) have some pretty skewed demographics, so if you're a straight male in San Francisco, it's going to be harder for you.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by nostrademons on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:22PM (#18233805)
In Silicon Valley it's terrible, largely because of the skewed gender ratio, gender-segregated employment & hobbies, and culture of working all the time. Even if you get a date and have time to go on it there's a good chance you'll have nothing to talk with her about.

In most other cities (even just going an hour north to SF) it's fine. "Software engineer" used to have a nerd stigma a generation ago, but that hasn't been the case in a decade or more, and nerds can do fine with women.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by staticautomatic on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:33PM (#18233883)
A) First date is mostly about listening. B) If 100% of your hobbies and life interests are gender-specific things that you can't talk about on dates, you might wanna branch out a little. C) A and B also apply to women.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by nostrademons on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:16PM (#18234116)
Well, I'm happily married and my wife is a Silicon Valley native, so ultimately I "succeeded" at the dating game.

It was pretty miserable while I was in it, though. Silicon Valley is not really a place where the culture encourages "branching out a little", nor does it attract people who are interested in that. This is self-reinforcing: people who were born here and aren't interested in tech tend to move up to SF/Berkeley/Oakland while they're single, which have greater cultural diversity.

I was in some sense lucky: I met my wife when she had recently moved back from Peru and was re-establishing her career here. Another year or so and she probably would've moved to Berkeley.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Simon_says on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:35AM (#18236648)
> B) If 100% of your hobbies and life interests are gender-specific things that you can't talk about on dates, you might wanna branch out a little.

That's condescending. Maybe I choose my interests for my enjoyment rather than other peoples'.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by gscott on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @10:25PM (#18235565)
What I have learned about a first date is it is to try to get a second date. Try to be yourself but not to strange. If you are trying to act like someone else the woman sees right through it.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by scythe on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:03PM (#18233692)
It depends on your personality, cultural background/preferences, and lifestyle as well as the more traditional factors like appearance, race, height, etc. Some kinds of people like to date "techies", but other kinds of people don't. But you personally may feel more compatible with someone in the second category, which can be frustrating. For many software engineers, dating can be very easy; for others, not so easy. (NB. Bay Area perspective.)
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by 1337biz on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:56PM (#18233646)
In this world there are hunters and farmers.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by blattimwind on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:52PM (#18233616)
It is not.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by gnulinux on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:26PM (#18233432)
Pretty much everyone can be a merc but to be SDE in Facebook you need quite a bit of privilege to be well-educated or insane amount of self-discipline, motivation and focus to educate yourself. Apples&Oranges.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by skeptic_69 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:32PM (#18233489)
i think become a seal/green beret is pretty challenging !
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by mywittyname on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:53PM (#18233624)
Correct. It's straight-forward to get into the regular special forces. Anyone with slightly better than average intelligence and physique can make it.

The elite special forces is a completely different ballgame. You need to be smarter and more fit than probably 90% of the population. Lots of these guys end up doing very well for themselves after leaving the military.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by SaltyBackendGuy on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:11PM (#18234079)
> regular special forces. Anyone with slightly better than average intelligence and physique can make it.

From personal experience I can say this is incorrect. The 'regular' special forces are the Green Berets (Top 5% of the Army). Elite special forces (CAG/Delta) 5% of the 5%

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by ryanwaggoner on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:58PM (#18234353)
You have a ridiculously optimistic view of the US population if you think that 10% of us could become Navy SEALs.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by mywittyname on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:59AM (#18239034)
You misunderstood my comment. Top 10% in both intelligence AND top 10% in potential physical fitness. Which has a ceiling of top 1% (0.10 * 0.10), but practically speaking, it's probably closer to top 0.1%.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by beaconstudios on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:55AM (#18238465)
if you go by YouTube comments, 10% already are.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jki275 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:02AM (#18238130)
comments like this are just silly.

Not even 1% of the military can get into SOF, and that's less than 1% of general US population.

The people who get through BUD/S are generally Olympic class athletes who are selected for very specific mental and physical traits that are almost non-existent in the general population. There's absolutely nothing straightforward about getting into any SOF organization.