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Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by ttul on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:20PM (#18233378)
Hmm. SDE at Facebook for $250K, or life-risking merc in Yemen for $160K albeit tax free. Tough call.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by arminiusreturns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:26PM (#18233429)
Many of the guys getting that 160 would never be the type to be able to make 250 in SV. Being good at killing doesn't exactly translate well to the civilian world job market... though it is a specialized skillet that not just anybody can do. I'm lucky I had computers as a backup. Many combat vets aren't so lucky and it can make the transition to civilian life very hard.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by tomjakubowski on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:31PM (#18233485)
You might enjoy "Barry", an HBO black comedy series which touches on this topic. The protagonist is a discharged Marine turned civilian hitman who discovers a passion for acting. He encounters a few fellow "killer Marines" who have had issues transitioning to civilian life.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by arminiusreturns on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:38PM (#18233524)
Already watched and loved it. Can't wait for season 2. What's funny? Before the Marine Corps I was in LA to be an actor, headshots and Dennys job and all... the irony of life eh? Now I have scars and am probably too ugly for it, but it's funny to imagine where life could have gone.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by ben_w on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:12PM (#18233750)
There are a lot of ugly actors out there, so no matter what scars you have, don’t let them get in the way of your passion. Heck, get famous and someone will ask for a body mod to look more like you.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by xtracto on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:43PM (#18233932)
> Now I have scars and am probably too ugly for it,

Have you seen Danny Trejo? Like.. he is not the prettiest guy, but I still LOVE him, love his acting and the movies he has been in.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by idontpost on Thursday October 18, 2018 @12:46PM (#18249873)
Hey, if Mickey Rourke could have a career....
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by gimmeThaBeet on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:40PM (#18233535)
thank you for that synopsis, i saw just like, a poster for the show, but i had zero clue what it's about. that sounds fantastic.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by rustcharm on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:57PM (#18233650)
$160K tax free is more like $300K in California.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Retric on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:15PM (#18233762)
You are generally legally required to pay some tax on overseas income of that size. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/fore...
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dragonwriter on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:18PM (#18233783)
You are also generally legally required not to commit federal felonies.

Though tax enforcement is sometimes more vigorous than general criminal enforcement, so I guess the tax angle isn't completely irrelevant.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by garmaine on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:15PM (#18234751)
Combat zone exemption.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Retric on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:24PM (#18234827)
That’s the generally, it’s not a long list. https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/combat-zones
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by bitcoinmoney on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @04:46AM (#18237281)
Are you serious? That’s what you really take home as an SDE earning 300k??
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by samstave on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:34PM (#18233887)
Many of the top security staff at FB are ex SS and vets. They hire a lot of military.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Simon_says on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:31AM (#18236626)
What does FB mean?
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by na85 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @06:39AM (#18237780)
Facebook
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jacobush on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:18PM (#18234133)
Ex Schutzstaffel?
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dmckeon on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:57PM (#18234344)
Different SS, often styled as USSS: https://www.secretservice.gov/
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by godelmachine on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:47PM (#18234296)
Secret Service, presumably
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by samstave on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:53PM (#18234323)
Clearly. However, given the amount of time since WWII and the fact that the secret service is the only "SS" to be hiring out of in this time period, it's a waste of time being a stickler and pseudo-offended thinking one might be calling people literal Nazis...

Regardless of how unscrupulous FB may or may not be.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jetti on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:48AM (#18238416)
That is a very US-centric view though. The poster that mentioned it has an eu domain and given that this is a global site it isn't out of the realm of possibilities that they honestly did not know of the Secret Service.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by baud147258 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:38AM (#18240100)
I agree. I'm from Europe, I've heard about the Secret Service, but I didn't think about them when seeing SS.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by samstave on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @12:07PM (#18240423)
Im american, talking about american politics and american companies on an american website based in my home area of silicon valley... i dont think i should be required to think "i wonder how non americans will take this comment" especially given that my expectation of those on HN as being a bit more sophisticated than pedestrian, so im not going to prefilter in that regard.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:25PM (#18233420)
Note that the $160k is for people with a very different skill set, who might be ex-army rangers or marines, who could be making $30k managing a Waffle House somewhere in middle america otherwise.

In the case of US contractors (PAE, Fluor, Bechtel etc operating in Iraq, Afghanistan) there is also the tax factor, known to all overseas contractors. I am not precise on the dates and figures here, but something like the first $85k of gross income is completely untaxed, if they remain outside of the USA more than 325 days per year. And no state income taxes because they're not a resident of any state.

Something tells me that these guys have 100% of their payroll for whatever they were doing handled domestically within the UAE, and aren't declaring it to the IRS, however.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by bluedino on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:34PM (#18233504)
Or they could get a desk job or warehouse manager job with their security clearance in the US for like $90k.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:37PM (#18233517)
If their skill set is more on the pointy end of the stick, however, they may not qualify for that.

There's a lot of civilians going around the federal contracting job market who have a few years of experience working as a middle-management fobbit at LSA Anaconda in Iraq, or similar, who will get that job before another applicant who is an ex army ranger who did 5 rotations through Kapisa and Kunar provinces.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by bilbo0s on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:44PM (#18233566)
Not if it's a warm body desk job that requires a security clearance. A lot of those jobs are fairly up front about informing all the applicants that veterans will be given preference.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by afarrell on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:56PM (#18234340)
"fobbit" means refers to military personnel, so they would be beneficiaries of veteran preferences. How many of those jobs with veteran preference are yet more specific about giving preference to infantry or those who have directly been in combat?
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:59PM (#18234358)
In this case I was referring to administrative/logistical related contractor workers who rarely left base perimeters - who also qualified as fobbits.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dx87 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:19PM (#18233785)
Oh look, another "people in the military aren't capable of being succesful outside the military" HN comment. Even if someone was special forces, they could still get a job with law enforcement, any number of govt agencies, personal security, or just change careers to something else.

You should go read some more before you comment, because everything in your post from, prior-military career prospects to the way untaxed income works, is wrong.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by walrus01 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:06PM (#18234059)
Sorry, but you're also misinformed - I spent literally years as a contractor in an active combat area, doing HN-specific things (networking, telecom, Internet infrastructure), I've worked with people from some of the largest US federal contractors in a number of roles. The facts at present are that the sheer number of private contractors that were in place in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2004-2011 or so are greatly diminished now.

For every one person that's currently been able to get a new contract under the LOGCAP contract doing stuff at KAF, in the year 2018, there's 19 unemployed people who used to be $160k contractors at KAF who are back in CONUS working ordinary civilian jobs at normal employee rates. Many of them in places where salaries are a lot lower than you would see in California, where you can buy a 3BD house for $130k, somewhere in middle america. Saying that people are working for $30k jobs at Waffle House may be a rhetorical flourish of exaggeration, but it's not very far off the mark if you look at the number of people who used to make $120-165k for Dyncorp who are now working for small town police or sheriffs departments in Kansas or Minnesota, as ordinary cops, for $40-50k.

The US presence in Iraq is presently about 3% to 5% of the size of what it used to be, both in active duty military personnel and number of US-citizen contractors. In Afghanistan, about 5-10% of what it was at its peak. This is why people who used to work for organizations like Dyncorp, ITT-Exelis, Blackwater, Triple Canopy, PAE and others are now going to work for even more shady contracting organizations based in Dubai (like Erik Prince's new company), and end up doing weird things in Yemen, ultimately under the command of the Saudi and UAE militaries.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by dang on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @11:25PM (#18245680)
You've posted several comments that break the site guidelines lately. Could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and follow the rules when posting here? Comments need to be civil and substantive, regardless of how misinformed someone is, or seems to be.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jorblumesea on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:25PM (#18233418)
How many ex-military folks can pass the FB phone screen, let alone whiteboard? (How many software engineers, for that matter?)

For the military, where officers are making even less than a SDE 1 at Microsoft, this is insane amounts of money. Equivalent to 3 years of salary for NCO or enlisted.

I hate the "why doesn't X just become a software engineer" attitude.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jonathankoren on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:57PM (#18233656)
Honestly, it's probably no different than anyone else controlling for skill set. They're just people.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by noobermin on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:23PM (#18233405)
Not everyone has the experience or requisite knowledge to take a developer job.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by bilbo0s on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:28PM (#18233452)
>Not everyone has the experience or requisite knowledge to take a developer job...

Or to become a contractor.

No one's gonna pay you 160k and trust you to operate in Yemen just because you play militia on the weekends with some overweight guys from your state and you won a marksmanship match once out at your local shooting range.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by noobermin on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:20PM (#18233791)
Don't disagree. I just don't know why they chose to compare the two.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by cortesoft on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:29PM (#18234880)
Right? “Hmm, hedge fund manager making $10 million a year, or developer making 250k? Tough call”
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Retra on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @09:34PM (#18234933)
Gee, if only everybody had that choice.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by atulmadhugiri on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:24PM (#18233415)
that's making a lot of assumptions
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by booleandilemma on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:21PM (#18233385)
Better dating prospects for the merc though.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by tdb7893 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:41PM (#18233547)
In all seriousness is dating as a software engineer difficult? I would've thought that with the money and consistent free time it wouldn't be that bad.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by munchbunny on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:06PM (#18233712)
It's not, or at least not directly because you're a software engineer. However, some areas where software engineers tend to congregate (I'm mostly talking about Silicon Valley) have some pretty skewed demographics, so if you're a straight male in San Francisco, it's going to be harder for you.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by nostrademons on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:22PM (#18233805)
In Silicon Valley it's terrible, largely because of the skewed gender ratio, gender-segregated employment & hobbies, and culture of working all the time. Even if you get a date and have time to go on it there's a good chance you'll have nothing to talk with her about.

In most other cities (even just going an hour north to SF) it's fine. "Software engineer" used to have a nerd stigma a generation ago, but that hasn't been the case in a decade or more, and nerds can do fine with women.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by staticautomatic on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:33PM (#18233883)
A) First date is mostly about listening. B) If 100% of your hobbies and life interests are gender-specific things that you can't talk about on dates, you might wanna branch out a little. C) A and B also apply to women.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by nostrademons on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:16PM (#18234116)
Well, I'm happily married and my wife is a Silicon Valley native, so ultimately I "succeeded" at the dating game.

It was pretty miserable while I was in it, though. Silicon Valley is not really a place where the culture encourages "branching out a little", nor does it attract people who are interested in that. This is self-reinforcing: people who were born here and aren't interested in tech tend to move up to SF/Berkeley/Oakland while they're single, which have greater cultural diversity.

I was in some sense lucky: I met my wife when she had recently moved back from Peru and was re-establishing her career here. Another year or so and she probably would've moved to Berkeley.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by Simon_says on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @02:35AM (#18236648)
> B) If 100% of your hobbies and life interests are gender-specific things that you can't talk about on dates, you might wanna branch out a little.

That's condescending. Maybe I choose my interests for my enjoyment rather than other peoples'.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by gscott on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @10:25PM (#18235565)
What I have learned about a first date is it is to try to get a second date. Try to be yourself but not to strange. If you are trying to act like someone else the woman sees right through it.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by scythe on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @06:03PM (#18233692)
It depends on your personality, cultural background/preferences, and lifestyle as well as the more traditional factors like appearance, race, height, etc. Some kinds of people like to date "techies", but other kinds of people don't. But you personally may feel more compatible with someone in the second category, which can be frustrating. For many software engineers, dating can be very easy; for others, not so easy. (NB. Bay Area perspective.)
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by 1337biz on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:56PM (#18233646)
In this world there are hunters and farmers.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by blattimwind on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:52PM (#18233616)
It is not.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by gnulinux on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:26PM (#18233432)
Pretty much everyone can be a merc but to be SDE in Facebook you need quite a bit of privilege to be well-educated or insane amount of self-discipline, motivation and focus to educate yourself. Apples&Oranges.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by skeptic_69 on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:32PM (#18233489)
i think become a seal/green beret is pretty challenging !
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by mywittyname on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @05:53PM (#18233624)
Correct. It's straight-forward to get into the regular special forces. Anyone with slightly better than average intelligence and physique can make it.

The elite special forces is a completely different ballgame. You need to be smarter and more fit than probably 90% of the population. Lots of these guys end up doing very well for themselves after leaving the military.

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by SaltyBackendGuy on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:11PM (#18234079)
> regular special forces. Anyone with slightly better than average intelligence and physique can make it.

From personal experience I can say this is incorrect. The 'regular' special forces are the Green Berets (Top 5% of the Army). Elite special forces (CAG/Delta) 5% of the 5%

Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by ryanwaggoner on Tuesday October 16, 2018 @07:58PM (#18234353)
You have a ridiculously optimistic view of the US population if you think that 10% of us could become Navy SEALs.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by mywittyname on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @09:59AM (#18239034)
You misunderstood my comment. Top 10% in both intelligence AND top 10% in potential physical fitness. Which has a ceiling of top 1% (0.10 * 0.10), but practically speaking, it's probably closer to top 0.1%.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by beaconstudios on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:55AM (#18238465)
if you go by YouTube comments, 10% already are.
Re:American Mercenaries Were Hired to Assassinate Politician... by jki275 on Wednesday October 17, 2018 @08:02AM (#18238130)
comments like this are just silly.

Not even 1% of the military can get into SOF, and that's less than 1% of general US population.

The people who get through BUD/S are generally Olympic class athletes who are selected for very specific mental and physical traits that are almost non-existent in the general population. There's absolutely nothing straightforward about getting into any SOF organization.