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Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by Animats on Thursday September 27, 2018 @05:41PM (#18089034)
He definitely lost it. And it's going to cost him. This is an open and shut case against Musk. He definitely sent out that tweet. Yes, maybe just not enough sleep and too many drugs. Not a good excuse.

Tesla might do better with a new CEO. They're past the vision stage. Tesla's problems today are all those of running a big auto plant.

Musk might do better focusing on Space-X.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by anonytrary on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:06PM (#18089662)
Elon Musk has always had a disdain for the responsibility of running a public company, it seems perfectly reasonable that he tweet, in exasperation, that he wishes to make the company private. Why do so many people in this thread want the only guy making (rockets && green cars && batteries && solar && ...) to fail so badly? The guy smokes weed once on camera, now he's a witch and needs to be hunted down? We care about the wrong things.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by dabockster on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:52PM (#18089880)
In the US, you're not supposed to say anything publicly that can manipulate the stock price. For a person in Elon Musk's position, it is incredibly easy to drum up hype about a stock from a public media source (in this case, Twitter) then secretly sell off stock at the higher price causing it to dip further than it was at before. This is called pump and dumping and is very illegal in the United States (read up on The Great Depression and the stock crash of 1929 for more information).
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by anonytrary on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:48PM (#18090152)
> In the US, you're not supposed to say anything publicly that can manipulate the stock price

Not quite. You can't intentionally say things for the purpose of manipulating the price, you can still say things if they affect the price -- it is impossible not to, since every little thing a CEO does affects the price to some extent (econophysics?).

The lawsuit would have to prove that Musk tweeted with the intention of manipulating the price. Seeing as Musk has always been wary of being public, it seems unlikely he engineered the tweet to do this. Occam's Razor would suggest that he's getting sick and tired of being public (ironically, for this exact reason) and tweeted that he would rather just take it private to avoid this sort of drama.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by PSZD on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:55PM (#18090929)
Musk didn't say he wanted to take the company private, he said he wanted to AND that he had secured funding to do so at a specific price.

This is a clear statement of facts, something that would be entirely reasonable to trade based on. It also appears he knew this was a false statement, at best it was very reckless. I really don't see how you can defend this.

When your words make people gain or lose 9 or 10 digits of money in a matter of hours, they are taken very seriously.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by tim333 on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:20AM (#18092502)
And it seems likely that he did have the "intention of manipulating the price." He's gone on about price changes and annoying the short sellers quite a bit. He's not naive on this stuff.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by chibg10 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:02PM (#18090203)
Of course a CEO "manipulates" the stock with every other word. But the words, especially ones expected to greatly affect the stock price, have to be accurate. Investors would lose confidence in the market (and thus not invest, hurting the economy) if CEOs can do things like troll about buyouts. The SEC exists to protect against these shenanigans and is right to take action if Musk trolling is indeed the case.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by mbesto on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:02AM (#18090967)
> The lawsuit would have to prove that Musk tweeted with the intention of manipulating the price.

Uhhh you mean like the endless rants about trying to get rid of short sellers? That isn't enough to establish a motive for you?

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by brisance on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:04PM (#18090437)
Did you forget that this is only the SEC action and that the DOJ is also investigating? The DOJ has subpoena power… they can easily build a case by gathering witnesses, starting with the board of directors.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by village-idiot on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:44PM (#18090874)
That’s not the bar for this case, since it’s civil. Proving negligence is enough, and the burden of proof is “preponderance of evidence”, not “presumption of innocence.”
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by rpedela on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:52PM (#18089879)
I certainly don't want Tesla or SpaceX to fail. Nor do I want Elon to fail however he screwed up big time as the CEO of a major, public corporation and should be held accountable like everyone else. Celebrities, even ones trying to make the world a better place, shouldn't get a pass.

My personal opinion is Elon should find someone to run Tesla. He proved good electric cars can be built, but now we need someone to turn Tesla into Toyota to spread good electric cars to the masses. Given his behavior, missed manufacturing targets, etc I don't think he is the right person to do that. If the SEC wins, Elon being forced out may be a blessing in disguise.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by Mirioron on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:02AM (#18092421)
Will Tesla (their share price) even survive Elon not being in charge?
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by rpedela on Friday September 28, 2018 @05:29PM (#18097211)
Share price will almost certainly take a major hit. It already has based on this news. But I don't think it is the end of Tesla.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by Cthulhu_ on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:59AM (#18092407)
> The guy smokes weed once on camera, now he's a witch and needs to be hunted down?

He sent out a tweet that had a major effect on the shares of a major company, representing billions of dollars to be lost and gained by a lot of people. That's a serious offense and there are laws about that.

It's not about weed, it's about stock price manipulation at the highest levels.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by village-idiot on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:43PM (#18090867)
I care because he’s wrecking Tesla with dumb decisions that a bit of good advice would have fixed. Now he’s dragged his own company into unnecessary legal risk to soothe his own ego.

If you want Tesla to live, you would cheer about his immature ass being kicked out to the curb.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by dnadler on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:17PM (#18089719)
Because taking a company private is material to investors and he screwed overa lot of people by lieing.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by AlexandrB on Friday September 28, 2018 @10:59AM (#18093895)
> it seems perfectly reasonable that he tweet, in exasperation, that he wishes to make the company private.

He's the CEO. That doesn't just mean he gets paid a lot and can do whatever he wants. He also has responsibilities to his investors and potential investors such as accurately reporting on the financial situation of the company. If he doesn't want this responsibility and prefers the freedom to vent on Twitter he should step down. After all, one of the reasons CEOs are so well compensated is the additional responsibilities the job (supposedly) entails. You can't have it both ways.

Edit: It's not a witch hunt to hold someone accountable for their actions in a position of power. No one forced Elon Musk to tweet misleading information that could affect the stock price. Given how intelligent he is, he should know better.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by _fizz_buzz_ on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:35AM (#18092550)
Honestly, I don't care if Musk succeeds or fails. However, I want Tesla to succeed and I think at this point Musk might not be the best candidate to figure out Tesla's problems.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by _Microft on Friday September 28, 2018 @02:22AM (#18091411)
Why they want him to fail badly?

They're maliciously envious - which is the product of an overly good self-image colliding with reality. They wish him harm because if he fails, he'll no longer remind them that that's how it looks like to actually achieve something.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by Cthulhu_ on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:03AM (#18092423)
Who are "they"? Anyway I can think of two parties: short sellers, who actively bet on Tesla shares losing value - and who are very likely behind all the negative press about Tesla, including making sure every accident a Tesla ends up in (especially if it's down to autopilot or involves fire or a death) stays in the news for weeks if possible.

The other would be competing car makers, who only now are starting to realize that electric cars are the future, except they're 5-10 years behind Tesla. I'm sure they'll catch up soon enough, given how they're much better at mass production than Tesla is atm, but they're way behind. Tesla will probably pivot to focus on their other endeavours - batteries (building the largest battery factory in the world), charging stations (building the largest charging station network in the world), green energy (solar panels and large scale battery storage), etc.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by _Microft on Friday September 28, 2018 @08:35AM (#18092799)
Short sellers and competitors have a financial reason to not like Musks success. Average Joe does not and still there are enough of them hating him and/or begruding his success. It's "them" that I was talking about.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by TangoTrotFox on Friday September 28, 2018 @03:19AM (#18091588)
I think there are three groups of people:

1) Short sellers. Short selling, as opposed to simply investing in a stock, is something that requires significant resources to begin with. Take these people with resources and acumen, and now given them a multi billion dollar incentive to see Tesla fail. You create a major motivator for people to not only speak negatively but to do all they can to try to foster and drive negative sentiment towards the company and Musk. This group of people are the main reason Musk has a problem with short sellers. Shorting is not bad, but the twisted incentive structure created by substantial shorting is. This group is made doubly effective by the fact that Tesla has chosen to keep with the strategy of a $0 marketing budget.

2) Useful idiots or trolls who simply enjoy attacking people without much of any consideration for facts or data. These individuals are already ubiquitous on the internet and unknowingly work as tools for #1.

3) People who genuinely feel Tesla is not headed in the right direction and would do better with different leadership.

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In my opinion, the largest group by far is #2 followed by #1, distantly followed by #3. The problem is that #2 is a really really big group. They almost certainly already outnumber, by far, the entire population of people that go out of their way to speak positively of Tesla. So you end up with a perceived mass negative sentiment, even when in reality it's not really supported at all. E.g. - recently there was a motion to find a different CEO and it was voted down by an 83.5% margin. Another issue here is that Musk has decided to point out the awful behavior the media, which has also turned them against him. For instance on that vote I mentioned, reuters instead of reporting the result chose to run an article, "BlackRock voted to replace Tesla's Musk with independent chairman" with the numbers given, without percentages, in the article body. [1]

[1] - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-musk-blackrock/blac...

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by techstrategist on Friday September 28, 2018 @04:30AM (#18091829)
Without Musk, Tesla loses enormous value attributed to future projects which people believe “only Musk can accomplish”. Any other leader (except maybe Cook or Bezos) making the claims he does about production ramps, solar tiles, electric semi trucks, fully autonomous cars paying for themselves as a taxi, colonizing Mars, etc. would be met with at best skepticism and at worst outright derision.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by Cthulhu_ on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:57AM (#18092400)
Nobody of any importance should have the confidence to write and publish teams of their own. Shareholders for public companies should be very clear about this, that neither they nor the CEO nor any senior executive is allowed to make any statements regarding the company without going through a legal team and / or advisors.

This also applies to world leaders.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by jacquesm on Thursday September 27, 2018 @05:54PM (#18089124)
I was with you right up to here:

> Musk might do better focusing on Space-X.

Maybe. As long as he does not claim the CEO slot.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by sqquuiiiddd on Thursday September 27, 2018 @05:58PM (#18089160)
It’s a private company
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by jacquesm on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:18PM (#18089310)
Guess who owns the bulk of the stock?
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by rtrunck on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:43PM (#18089516)
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by jacquesm on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:48AM (#18091329)
Exactly. So if he wants to claim the CEO slot he can.
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Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by jacquesm on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:51AM (#18091342)
I suggest you re-read the headline. Elon is fantastic in some ways and terrible in others. He really needs to - quickly - get some self control or it will end badly. What do you think are the chances of Gwynne Shotwell tweeting SpaceX into the gutter or wrecking its reputation by getting into a tiff with a guy trying to rescue a bunch of kids?
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by ckastner on Friday September 28, 2018 @06:57AM (#18092399)
> What do you think are the chances of Gwynne Shotwell tweeting SpaceX into the gutter or wrecking its reputation by getting into a tiff with a guy trying to rescue a bunch of kids?

This comparison is an excellent point illustrating just how far off of the baseline Musk has already drifted.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by Mirioron on Friday September 28, 2018 @07:08AM (#18092441)
>What do you think are the chances of Gwynne Shotwell tweeting SpaceX into the gutter or wrecking its reputation by getting into a tiff with a guy trying to rescue a bunch of kids?

Low, but we also know that the chances of her starting a company like SpaceX wouldn't have been nearly as high either since she didn't.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by albedoa on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:05PM (#18094974)
We absolutely don't know that, especially for that reason. What?
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by bdcravens on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:01AM (#18090963)
I think HN's ire isn't based on him being a "terrible CEO"; it's anger toward the hubris of what is seen as someone who thinks the rules don't apply to them.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by cheeze on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:57AM (#18091193)
Everything up this point has shown that they don't though
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by johnny22 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:22PM (#18090764)
being a good CEO at the beginning isn't the same as being good CEO farther down the line. That's what most people are saying on this topic. It's possible that elon is great at starting companies, but maybe not "finishing" them.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by monochromatic on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:33PM (#18090077)
How do you figure it’s open and shut?
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by jhall1468 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:49PM (#18090609)
It's not. They have to prove intent. Musk didn't make any transactions while the stock was on the rise, so intent (which is hard to prove) and benefit (which can't be proven) are both a huge problem with this case. He deserves the lawsuit, but this is just to force his hand on a deal.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by village-idiot on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:46PM (#18090884)
Wrong on two levels.

Intent doesn’t matter here, the SEC is alleging negligence (read the actual complaint). Remember that this is a civil case, not a criminal one.

Second is that he’s being accused of securities fraud, not insider trading. So the SEC doesn’t actually need to prove that he benefited, only that rules were broken.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by elguyosupremo on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:48AM (#18091327)
The SEC is alleging he broke rule 10b-5, which says that the defrauding actions must be "in connection with the purchase or sale of any security".

The SEC complaint doesn't seem to allege negligence at all, in the claim for relief it says 'Defendant, with scienter' which definitely does not imply negligence.

The complaint alleges that the statements were made in connection with the sale of securities but I don't really understand where that comes from.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by jonathankoren on Friday September 28, 2018 @02:48AM (#18091494)
Anything that effects price is connected with the selling of securities. In fact, his very statement was equivalent to "Buy now, and make an easy $420 per share!", and people did actually purchase the stock.

This is textbook market manipulation.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by village-idiot on Friday September 28, 2018 @08:25AM (#18092755)
The other commenter covered the bit about “in connection with the purchase of sale of a security” better than I would.

They absolutely allege negligence.

> As a result, Musk knew or was reckless in not knowing that his August 7 statements were false and misleading.

That’s negligence. This exact phrase is repeated 3 times in the complaint, and is actually in a section title, right before point 68.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by UpshotKnothole on Thursday September 27, 2018 @05:52PM (#18089110)
At this point his biggest goal should be avoiding prison, which with the DOJ investigation and the sheer stupidity of his actions is very much on the table.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by MBCook on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:54PM (#18090378)
Good news. He and his team had negotiated a settlement with the SEC. Then, for some genius reason, destroyed it.

https://twitter.com/tomgara/status/1045472592595996672

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by prolikewh0a on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:55PM (#18090635)
Billionaires don't go to jail.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by Animats on Thursday September 27, 2018 @11:09PM (#18090686)
Leona Helmsley, Federal Prisoner #15113-054.

Michael Milken.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by cheeze on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:52AM (#18091174)
> Although having initially received a sentence of sixteen years, she was required to serve only nineteen months in prison and two months under house arrest.

> Milken was sentenced to ten years in prison, fined $600 million, and permanently barred from the securities industry by the Securities and Exchange Commission. His sentence was later reduced to two years for cooperating with testimony against his former colleagues and for good behavior

How common is that for the common person? I'm not arguing that it isn't, I'm just not sure.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by Razengan on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:42AM (#18091147)
Unless they piss off other billionaires?
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by erikb on Friday September 28, 2018 @03:36AM (#18091640)
or the government
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by UpshotKnothole on Saturday September 29, 2018 @06:54AM (#18099723)
Billionaires don't go to jail.

How many billionaires publically break the law in the way that Musk did, and put themselves in the position to risk jail? How many billionaires are there to begin with?

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by TrainedMonkey on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:13PM (#18089272)
SpaceX is national security launch services provider, no way he is going to jail.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by dabockster on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:48PM (#18089866)
This is about Tesla, not SpaceX.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by garmaine on Friday September 28, 2018 @02:27AM (#18091428)
The dude is the CEO of both. He couldn't effectively run SpaceX from jail.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by UpshotKnothole on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:15PM (#18089283)
Why not? SpaceX will tick along without him, and he won’t leak classified material because then the prison he’d be in would deep and dark indeed.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by mikeg8 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:44PM (#18089849)
Yea he’ll join all the other billionaires in jail. I would say he looks pretty guilty of fraud but agree he will never see a cell, just heavy fines. And spaceX may survive without him but losing musk would suck a ton of wind out of their sails.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by empath75 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:07PM (#18090226)
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by cheeze on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:56AM (#18091186)
My understanding is that his imprisonment was questionable though, no?

> charges his defense team claimed were U.S. government retaliation for his refusal to give customer data to the National Security Agency in February, 2001

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by np_tedious on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:21PM (#18090285)
Maybe if Elon had sold stock this would be in the realm of possibility.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by refoundglory on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:36PM (#18090090)
Martha Stewart was a billionaire when she went to jail for insider trading.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by MrPatan on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:29AM (#18091280)
Did she go to jail for insider trading? Or for lying to the FBI?
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by FLUX-YOU on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:29PM (#18089393)
I'm not so sure, one of the other space companies could start poaching talent and there's no way they can continue the government contracts with a huge loss of critical staff.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by bodas on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:43PM (#18089844)
SpaceX is an extremely desirable company to work at, it's more NASA than NASA. Even without Musk that would remain the case. Talent squeeze is not a risk IMO.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by dabockster on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:50PM (#18089870)
Yep. Musk is looking at possible insider trading charges. The DOJ will absolutely throw a rich guy in federal prison for that since the damage to the economy can be enormous.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by FighterMafia on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:31PM (#18090064)
Hard to be insider trading if he didn't make any trades. Which he didn't.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by simongr3dal on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:38PM (#18090096)
But he did make frivolous statements that affected the stock price of Tesla which can be seen as manipulating the stock market, which is a crime.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by brisance on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:56PM (#18090390)
He may not have traded but his compensation is tied to the stock’s value. Which is a criminal offense since he is a direct beneficiary.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by sfifs on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:21PM (#18090286)
He may have not insider traded but market manipulation is also a crime. It is on record that Elon was looking to hurt short sellers and making materially false statements about the company can be easily argued to be a criminal act used to do so.

SEC Act - Sec 9(a)2 It is unlawful... or raising or depressing the price of such security, for the purpose of inducing the purchase or sale of such security by others.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by diminoten on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:44PM (#18089851)
I thought his tweet was legal, assuming he wasn't lying about any of it, which indications are he wasn't.

Maybe I don't understand...

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by detaro on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:48PM (#18089862)
The SEC complaint claims that "Musk knew or was reckless in not knowing that each of these statements was false and/or misleading because he did not have an adequate basis in fact for his assertions."
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by diminoten on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:08PM (#18089959)
That's good to know -- I think, based on some random article I read a month ago or so, he can beat that charge, because he had concrete knowledge about the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund being interested in helping take Tesla private.

Again, I could be wrong, and I really wish I could remember where I found that article...

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by RussianCow on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:45PM (#18090136)
Musk's tweet said "Funding secured", which has a very different implication than a company simply "being interested".
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by MBCook on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:58PM (#18090403)
Right. If he was just complaining and said he was only thinking of taking it private and talking to people he could probably get away with it.

Instead he said he heavily implied that he would take it private and already had all the money he needed from various investors.

There’s a world of difference between those two statements.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by village-idiot on Friday September 28, 2018 @12:48AM (#18091157)
He also went on to say a number of things that his board advised were probably impossible, such as bringing all investors along with him if Tesla went private.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by dabockster on Thursday September 27, 2018 @07:55PM (#18089895)
In the US, you're not supposed to say anything publicly that can manipulate the stock price. For a person in Elon Musk's position, it is incredibly easy to drum up hype about a stock from a public media source (in this case, Twitter) then secretly sell off stock at the higher price causing it to dip further than it was at before. This is called pump and dumping and is very illegal in the United States (read up on The Great Depression and the stock crash of 1929 for more information).
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by neurotech1 on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:23PM (#18090024)
Any evidence he actually sold stock during the spike, that wasn't already scheduled?
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by RussianCow on Thursday September 27, 2018 @08:43PM (#18090126)
Not that I'm aware of, but stock manipulation is illegal whether or not you actually sell any shares.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by mhermher on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:22PM (#18090291)
He was lying. Very clearly. You probably read some fanboys blog saying he wasn't and rationalizing it away.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by pvelagal on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:22PM (#18090501)
IMHO, If Elon musk were a chinese entrepreneur, the Govt would be more than happy to fund him and allow him to focus on what he is good at, innovate the hell out!!! SEC should answer the American people first on why it failed to hold any bank exec accountable for the worst financial crisis of our time that brought the world to an economic collapse.. double standards ?? https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/finance/309544-why-ha...
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by rst on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:42PM (#18090585)
China's had a round over the last few years of prosecutions of big shots, including high-level officers of successful companies, for financial irregularities. See, e.g.,

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinese-tycoons-...

There are complicating factors in figuring out whether any particular person would be a target of this sort of prosecution (in some cases, the real issue is likely failure to toe the Party line) -- but the idea that the Chinese government turns a blind eye toward this sort of thing generally is, at the very least, oversimplified and out of date.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by blintz on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:27PM (#18090526)
Surely the law should apply no matter how “innovative” your company is. Yes, the SEC should also be held responsible for its failure to go after banks, but this is not mutually exclusive with action against Tesla.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by pvelagal on Thursday September 27, 2018 @10:37PM (#18090560)
Ok , so you agree that in theory its the same, but in practice it isnt ? Bcoz i havent seen/read/heard anything so far even after a decade that any action is taken or any one under investigation for the 2008 crisis... where as one tweet a few days ago from Elon is enough time to go after him !! Sounds very selective !!! Also, IMHO, just as US govt announced auto bailout in 2008, they should announce one more bail out not just for Tesla but all US auto companies working on next gen innovative tech especially focussed on creating US jobs as the recent tariffs (from all sides) can have -ve impact on US jobs (those building auto plants outside USA) /US consumers. SEC can leave Elon alone with a warning /small fine. They shouldnt be dictating who should be CEO or who shouldnt. Elon is a job creator !!
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by agumonkey on Thursday September 27, 2018 @06:43PM (#18089515)
Of all weird things he did, that tweet felt the less induced by mean emotions (unlike the issues with soccer team rescue). I believe he was angry at people using the system to see someone doing his best to make a good thing. Sad.
Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by MBCook on Thursday September 27, 2018 @09:59PM (#18090412)
It’s entirely possible the tweet was only designed to screw over short sellers.

Doesn’t matter, it’s illegal for someone in his position to try and do that through a tweet that’s on an account that’s registered with the SEC.

Re:SEC Sues Musk and Seeks Ban for His Tweets on Go-Private ... by agumonkey on Friday September 28, 2018 @01:38AM (#18091304)
I understand.