https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vvU-Ajwbok
Here's a video of Anderson Cooper listening to one while doing basic tasks and he struggles immensely. Keep in mind that he is cognizant of what is happening to him and still fails.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL9UJVtgPZY
These weapons will become mass torture devices that further remove humanity from inhumane acts of war.
But I think the bigger application might be in using this tech to trick the enemy into giving up their position to investigate some weird sound, flush them out of buildings, etc.
The US Army is combing the area you’re hiding in and you’re just waiting for an opportunity to slip away to fight another day. The isolation and paranoia are mounting, and you’re wondering why you decided to put yourself and your compatriots through this terrifying time. News from the field: they raided one of your supply caches and captured your closest co-conspirator. What about my family? What would my father think of me right now?
And then a disembodied voice gently beckons you to surrender.
My issue is not with the funding of this project or with its use in counterinsurgency operations; it's with journalism that paints (mostly Muslim) terrorists as superstitious primitives, when in fact they are thoroughly products of modern society.
Of course they would, if a) it was common, factual knowledge that the government actively uses such technology, and b) if they were a target for such government. a) and b) will immediately be true for terrorists, if this tech gets deployed.
I think that even in such a future, mental deterioration and religious experience would remain viable potential explanations for hearing voices in your head. Even if you were 90% sure that it was the US government, that 10% chance that you're losing your mind or getting instructions from God is powerful.
You'd probably also be psychologically motivated to come up with an explanation that doesn't involve a large well-funded group of trained killers who are out to get you knowing exactly where you are and having their weapons trained on you.
> Of course they would, if a) it was common, factual knowledge that the government actively uses such technology, and b) if they were a target for such government. a) and b) will immediately be true for terrorists, if this tech gets deployed.
Governments use propaganda, sure, but "beaming voices into people's head", without their knowledge? I haven't heard of it, definitely not common knowledge. Do you have a source?
Good point! Maybe they should also work on a lizard-person suit, or the technology to actually replace all of someone's family with robots, to help those "paranoid delusions" along.
if youre forced to stay awake for a week straight your view of reality will entirely dissolve.
And then I'll remember this article and dismiss it / Get even more entrenched in my conviction that my "do anything to win" enemy must be destroyed.
See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate
https://www.erowid.org/chemicals/bz/bz_article1.shtml
It's the height of shame that the US government has considered dosing people (and perhaps has dosed people) with this compound.
> One intriguing finding is the frequent report by subjects, both during and after recovery from the drug experience, of the illusion of red coloration of the skin, both their own and that of undrugged personnel who are with them. One or two individuals have thought their hands were bleeding when washing them under the tap. Whether this is an optical phenomenon related in some way to engorgement of retinal blood vessels or is central in origin is not known.
Reminded me of one's own (and other's) skin looks to be very `crocodile-like` and almost as if you can see all the veins underneath it when one is under the influence of DMT.
Found the following to be a quite amusing way to put it:
> [The] particular concatenations and distortions of language elements are almost impossible to imitate – they seem to result from an extreme loosening of the entire verbal associative system. As such, they may create a humorous effect,since the shift is so rapid and unpredictable that at times their remarks have the flavor of creativity and wit (the things that subjects say and do, in fact, are often very funny and it is sometimes difficult to keep from laughing at their antics, professional standards of decorum notwithstanding).
> During severe delirium, attempts to clarify the intended communication by asking the subject to repeat or explain something are usually futile. It does not do good to say 'What do you mean by that?' because the subject does not know what he said, does not really grasp the question and my not realize what he is saying when he answers.
Iirc, BZ was created following "failures" in the MKULTRA experiments.
Scary times.
Can it be that this 'sonic weapons in Havana' scare was all about pushing the profits of some defence contractor? I guess that the real driving force for defence appropriations is fear of the mighty counterpart. Worked so well for the past 60 years.
I don't have a lot of experience with terrorist leaders, but my experience with business leaders is that they are way more superstitious than the average engineer or technician working under them. The leader, in a technical team at least, is almost always the person most vulnerable to irrational thoughts about their own abilities. I suspect this has to do with how much most people value confidence in their leaders, and how much better you are at projecting confidence if you actually have irrationally positive beliefs about your own abilities.
Add to that, I'd argue that saying "From my cold, dead hands" to the US military or law enforcement is something only someone who doesn't meet my definition of rationality would do.
The "From my cold, dead hands" was perhaps a bit of a jab at my own fellow citizens who seem to think that a gun makes you more effective when fighting a enemy so overwhelmingly powerful as the US government. (I mean, I interpret the phrase to mean that they will resist law enforcement officers with violence if said law enforcement officers try to confiscate their guns; it's possible they mean it in a different way, but that's my reading.)
Imagine being kept awake for days because the voices in your head won't stop.
It really doesn’t matter much to me that the Active Denial System is advertised as non-lethal, because any non-lethal system can be pushed into overdrive to inflict an excruciating living hell on individuals pinned down by lethal fire, and weapons like these are usually in the hands of operators with lethal options locked and loaded, and ready to go.
So, it’s a small leap of the imagination to consider that these non-lethal options are being developed as a cheaper version of tear gas, to push adversaries into lethal funnels, because lazy troops don’t take prisoners, and bored troops often torture, for information or sadistic amusement. So videos will show up in the distant (or nor so distant) future with people being tied up and subjected to hours of Active Denial beams for sure, and that says nothing about the animal testing that’s already happened.
So here’s another weapon you’ll see smoking combatants into fatal funnels. Just because non-lethal options are available, doesn’t mean lethality is off the table.
And by the way, wasn’t there some shit like this happening in Cuba recently?
This is total BS. Successful terrorists leaders, even religious ones, are not clueless primitives - they've grown up with the usual array of technology (even if it's the cheap versions affordable in poor countries), and often make sophisticated user of it when planning and executing their missions. usually sophisticated users of technology, and . Once this project is common knowledge, they'll be reminded that the US knows where they are, but they won't jump to supernatural explanations.