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Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by lotsofpulp on Monday February 12, 2018 @03:39PM (#16361867)
Netflix isn't locking it down, the company they are buying the media from is locking it down.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by gsich on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:31PM (#16362423)
Netflix is enforcing it. They do the actual technical action of blocking access.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by nsxwolf on Monday February 12, 2018 @04:53PM (#16362653)
They are required to per the licensing deal they made with the content owner.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by gsich on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:01PM (#16362734)
This always reads like an excuse. They don't have to enforce it as strictly. Content owners don't specify the exact technical details Netflix has to deploy. If the deal says "no access for users outside country x", Netflix could just ask the user from which country they are from. Then, depending on the answer either show it or not.

On another note, some companies like this. Take Valve with Steam. They are definitly in a position to dictate "no region lock bullshit", yet they still make them available. Because it means more money.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by drchickensalad on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:33PM (#16362992)
You're free to think that, and possibly some less important companies could get away with it.

However, in reality, the content owners really aren't that dumb and incompetent. There are very punishing legal implications to breaking the contracts, especially your relationship with others. And the content owners don't just do nothing; there's quite detailed questions and requirements they give when you renew their content, and they very often discover things they want to change after.

It's obviously a problematic enough relationship that netflix doesn't want to be a part of it anymore. More power to them; I wish this could be done for all industries as easily/well.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by xxs on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:53PM (#16363137)
>You're free to think that, and possibly some less important companies could get away with it.

In the EU most people have identity documents... and enough services that provide identity verification. The said verification is mandatory in some industries like online gambling.

There is no intrinsic hurdle to remove the retarded IP block. Using VPN to bypass it is just yet another step away but again, why bother with VPN when I can get it via torrent?

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by kelnos on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:30PM (#16363731)
That doesn't matter. The studio doesn't care that you live in country X. They just care that it's being viewed in country Y. I disagree with this practice as well, but I doubt even a company like Netflix has the clout to negotiate better terms.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by zimpenfish on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @04:04AM (#16365729)
> but I doubt even a company like Netflix has the clout to negotiate better terms.

I think they might be getting there - they've shown they can generate their own content that people want to watch and that they're a "destination" site - both pretty big sticks to wield at the next relicensing discussion.

(Imagine trying to explain to your investors that your next 10 years of films won't be on Netflix...)

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by kelnos on Thursday February 15, 2018 @05:11PM (#16388223)
I don't really think they're getting there. Stuff like Disney planning to pull most of their content off Netflix in favor of their own streaming service they're going to release makes me wonder how strong Netflix really is. I feel like studios could all develop their own walled gardens, avoid giving Netflix a cut, and do quite well.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by tekknik on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:37PM (#16363770)
That’s just the EU though, no such service exists on the US side. Also again these restrictions are put in place by the content owners, not netflix. It is very feasible to remove said checks but the content owners want them in place for their reasons. One can argue all day about how inconvenient this is but until they make more money without the geographic restrictions they will remain in place.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by xxs on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @04:40AM (#16365894)
The OP complains about not being able to see movies within the EU (Poland/UK), hence my reply.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by lmkg on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:20PM (#16362893)
> They don't have to enforce it as strictly. Content owners don't specify the exact technical details

The deal can include whatever the content owners want it to include. And the content owners want it to include strict enforcement.

They can specify the specific technical details of enforcement, if they want. That's a legal contract, and one that they have a financial incentive to offer. Or they can specify an acceptable level of enforcement failures, or they can specify financial penalties for insufficient enforcement, or they can specify Netflix carries liability for infringement that it allows.

Or they could leave Netflix to do as they will, but threaten to pull their content or to sue Netflix for contributory negligence or whatever if Netflix doesn't comply. The fact of the matter is, the content owners have leverage and Netflix is not (yet?) in a position where they can blow off such concerns. Netflix is trying to get into that position, by creating its own content, but right now the majority of their content is dependent on other parties finding Netflix an acceptable content partner.

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by FabHK on Monday February 12, 2018 @05:05PM (#16362765)
As a side effect, btw, you can't watch Netflix if you habitually use a VPN (as they block proxies).
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by cat199 on Monday February 12, 2018 @09:14PM (#16364236)
> if you habitually use a VPN

depends on the VPN...

if you mean 'commercial vpn service', then probably yes.

if you mean 'routing it through some other machine you own', 'your access to <xyzpq network>' then probably no..

vpn != commercial vpn service

Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by amaterasu on Monday February 12, 2018 @11:37PM (#16364801)
I was running my own Netflix VPN service (admittedly on a low cost VPS), and was blocked within a day when Netflix introduced their new policy.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by eecc on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @01:53AM (#16365247)
Try from a residential IP block; off a simple raspberry at home for example.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by kahnpro on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @10:07AM (#16367638)
Yeah, they are blocking most VPS providers. You'll need an obscure VPS host or a residential IP
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by JustSomeNobody on Monday February 12, 2018 @07:51PM (#16363847)
Surely because they have to if they want to continue to have access to content.
Re:The Long, Slow Decline of BitTorrent (2017) by Double_a_92 on Tuesday February 13, 2018 @02:14AM (#16365300)
Yeah but what would you expect Netflix to do? Just illegally stream it anyway? They'd get in trouble...